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Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« on: August 04, 2013, 02:44:03 pm »
OK. . . . . .so here's my dilemma: to say that I have installed a lot of farkles on the new C14 is a gross understatement. Yup. . . . did it again on another bike, and really tricked her out. So now I am up to the point of installing the Stebel Nautilus horn and I really don't have anywhere to put it. :-[  I can mount it in place of the stock horn just in front of the radiator where the stock horn was removed, but I am worried that this won't result in enough ground clearance to the front fender when the shocks depress on severe braking/twisties etc.

Any one ever have to struggle with this same issue?. . . . . . . . . .and what was your solution?

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2013, 11:38:02 pm »
Put mine under right side black plastic...sorta opposite of grip warmer switch on my 2010. Made a bracket out of some metal "T" pieces I got from Ace. Put the relay beside the horn. It was really pretty easy.

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2013, 03:34:32 am »
Thanks for the input, but that's exactly the problem. The slot you suggested is already spoken for. Currently I am using it for my Autocom, my Clearwater lighting controller, my IQ-170 for the Squadron lights, my BT sending unit, and my PCV. Made a custom bracket to hang those items under the right side dash. Running out of room to put things.

Still dead in the water. . . . . . . . . . . . ., but thanks for the thought.

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2013, 03:42:55 am »
Jack, that is where I also put mine. I have seen pics of others putting the Stebel under the side fairing either right or left. I may be wrong but it seems they would get a bit hot there.
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2013, 03:54:07 am »
I don't have a C-14, but I had the same problem on my C-10.  I ended up taking the horn apart and mounting the air compressor in one place and the horn in another.  I am fortunate enough to have what I needed to create plumbing from one to the other.  If you have what it takes to join the two pieces, you can separate them and use two smaller areas.
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2013, 07:12:53 am »
I just put one on my 2011 C14.  You might be able to remove less stuff than I have below if you're REALLY good, but this will give you easy access to the work area.  DEFINITELY purchase the PLUG AND PLAY wiring kit with the Stebel Horn provided by Twisted Throttle.  This looks complex but it's not.  I'm just trying to be as detailed as possible.

- Take off the stock horn and the stock horn bracket

- Remove the fuel tank cover (Black plastic in front of the tank attached with 3 screws.)

- Remove the windshield.

- Remove the Right side top cover.  (Black plastic opposite the fairing pocket.) You have to remove the windshield to remove the rivet for this piece as well as the securing screws.
- Remove the Center Right Side cowling.  (The one with the strakes that you can look thru to see the engine compartment.)  Easy, just three allen heads and two black rivets.  Don't break any tabs.

- Remove the Right Side intank Duct Clamp.

- Attach the stock horn bracket to the Stebel Horn with the 2 stems of the Y shape pointing inwards towards the horn and parallel to the horn body, using the flat head screw and nut provided with the horn attached to the horn at the stem of the Y with the square head of nut inside the attachment cavity.  I added a large washer under the nut so it would compress the rubber in the end of the stem of the stock horn bracket.

- Using just the forward part of the Y of the stock horn bracket, run the screw that you removed from the intank duct clamp with a washer on it thru the forward stem of the stock horn bracket Y, then back into the clamp and tighten. (You won't need to use the other side of the stock horn bracket Y.)

- The horn will have the air outlets at the bottom and pointing outwards.  That's what worked for me anyway.  I figure the noise should be pointed to the outside.

-----WARNING------.  I found it very difficult to run the clamp screw back into the opposite side of the duct clamp even trying to pinch it shut with a needle nose, so I bought the same screw but about an inch longer, albeit with a hex head instead of an allen head, at Home Depot and it slid right into the duct clamp no problem.


- When you have the horn tipped in place so it won't contact the Right Side Top Cover, tighten up the square head nut and screw to securely finish mounting the Stebel horn to the stock horn bracket.  I read something somewhere about the horn not supposed to be tipped farther over than 25 deg from vertical, but this makes no sense to me.)

- Plug the red and black wires into the original horn wire harness connections where you unplugged the stock horn wires from.  I used a multimeter to find out which wire was hot.

- Attach the two wires from the relay as directed in the Plug and Play wiring harness instructions to the male tabs on the Stebel horn.  One to the horn from the relay, the black wire from the horn to any convenient ground.

- Attach the red wire from the harness with the inline fuse to the battery if you like, but I removed the 4 screws securing the gas tank, partially lifted up the tank and ran the red wire (with the inline fuse removed and an additional length of wire spliced to it) under the battery compartment feeding with a section of coat hanger, under the tank, then to an accessory fuse box I installed under the seat so I can keep track of all the fuses in one place for all my accessories which are a lot!

- Test the horn and if good button everything up.  The SOB is LOUD! Be careful putting the windshield back on as too much torque can crack the windshield.
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2013, 07:40:29 pm »
What a great bunch of folks! :great: Thanks for all your great input and ideas, especially those from Joe and Charlie. Guys. . . . .I looked at the bike again after reading your posts and there is just no room to put the bugger where even Joe suggested (my bulky bracket jutting down below  the right side dash etc). I think I am going to take Charlie's suggestion and break up the components of the Stebel and distribute them into several locations to get it to fit. I will advise as to how I make out. Thanks again for all of your great ideas and support. :beerchug: :You_Rock_Emoticon:

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2013, 05:22:18 am »
- might i suggest a smaller horn ? Some of the single Hella/PIAA units are slightly bigger than the original horn.

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2013, 10:44:11 am »
I haven't attempted yet on the 14, but there is NO problem installing one in a C10 complete as one unit.
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2013, 02:13:33 pm »
Ok. . . . . . . . . . .Just to put the issue of all that extra space available to me to rest. . . . . .I have used up any and all available space for all of my excessive farkles. . . . . . . . I know. . . . my bad. . . . . . . (go ahead. . . . .take me out back and shoot me!).

Time to think outside the box. . . . . . then it hit me. . . . . it's the box itself that's the problem. . . . . . .by the box, I mean that stupid, useless, automatically-locking glove box every one hates (including me). Time for it to go. And BTW, I appreciate the poster who mentioned the Hella compact horn. I considered putting the new horn on a diet, but decided I had so many satisfied miles on Stebel Nautilus horns, that I am determined to fit it into this bike. Too, I really don't use glove boxes on bikes, so this one has to go.

I will report back once I figure out how to do away with it. Again, thanks for all the great ideas. I am convinced that it is the dialogue and the give and take of this forum that allows me to work through a dilemma like this.

I will keep everyone posted.

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2013, 03:23:20 pm »
Here is where my compressor is. It been there for a year, and I've decide its a good spot. I ran a clear silicon hose up through the heat shield to the front fork where the OEM horn used to be.

I put the plastic horn up where the OEM horn was with a custom bracket which moved it back as close to the radiator guard as possible, and up as far as possible. Under the hardest possible braking it has not touched the fender.

Used Murph's relay harness, so the compressor pulls from the battery direct and the OEM horn button controls the relay.

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2013, 04:40:28 pm »
Joe, the reason the instructions tell you how not to mount the horn is drainage.  You want to make sure no water accumulates in the horn, it will kill it.
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2013, 06:47:33 pm »
Here is where my compressor is. It been there for a year, and I've decide its a good spot. I ran a clear silicon hose up through the heat shield to the front fork where the OEM horn used to be.

I put the plastic horn up where the OEM horn was with a custom bracket which moved it back as close to the radiator guard as possible, and up as far as possible. Under the hardest possible braking it has not touched the fender.

Used Murph's relay harness, so the compressor pulls from the battery direct and the OEM horn button controls the relay.




JR-

This looks good. Couple questions:
1. With what did you attach the compressor to on the left side behind the fan and the heat shield?
2. It looks as if you may have cut off the black plastic intake for the compressor from the horn assembly and attached it back somehow to the compressor, complete with another clear plastic tube going into an air nipple that you attached somehow (how?) at the open end of the intake, terminating where?
3. What does the bracket that you attached the new plastic horn to the old location with, look like. any Pics?

Thanks for your input,

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2013, 07:32:11 pm »
Ok. . . . . . . . . . .Just to put the issue of all that extra space available to me to rest. . . . . .I have used up any and all available space for all of my excessive farkles. . . . . . . . I know. . . . my bad. . . . . . . (go ahead. . . . .take me out back and shoot me!).

Time to think outside the box. . . . . . then it hit me. . . . . it's the box itself that's the problem. . . . . . .by the box, I mean that stupid, useless, automatically-locking glove box every one hates (including me). Time for it to go. And BTW, I appreciate the poster who mentioned the Hella compact horn. I considered putting the new horn on a diet, but decided I had so many satisfied miles on Stebel Nautilus horns, that I am determined to fit it into this bike. Too, I really don't use glove boxes on bikes, so this one has to go.

I will report back once I figure out how to do away with it. Again, thanks for all the great ideas. I am convinced that it is the dialogue and the give and take of this forum that allows me to work through a dilemma like this.

I will keep everyone posted.

Best,

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2013, 10:37:46 pm »
Here is where my compressor is. It been there for a year, and I've decide its a good spot. I ran a clear silicon hose up through the heat shield to the front fork where the OEM horn used to be.

I put the plastic horn up where the OEM horn was with a custom bracket which moved it back as close to the radiator guard as possible, and up as far as possible. Under the hardest possible braking it has not touched the fender.

Used Murph's relay harness, so the compressor pulls from the battery direct and the OEM horn button controls the relay.



I did the same exact thing & it work great for awhile until I took a trip to N.C. , I rode the dragon very aggressively a couple times & the fender did hit the horn enough times to break it. You can buy the relay at radio shack for $6.00 & make your own harness with a few connectors & short pieces of wire, Total invested about $7.00 & 5 minutes to build it.  :beerchug:     
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2013, 09:13:33 am »
Zarticus wrote: "I did the same exact thing & it work great for awhile until I took a trip to N.C. , I rode the dragon very aggressively a couple times & the fender did hit the horn enough times to break it. You can buy the relay at radio shack for $6.00 & make your own harness with a few connectors & short pieces of wire, Total invested about $7.00 & 5 minutes to build it."

Yes, but Murph's harness / relay doesn't cost much more if any, and it is already set up to plug into the OEM horn wires and just makes it an easy conversion.

Like I said, I made a custom bracket for the plastic horn part, and I cut the plastic down to the bare minimum necessary, and it is as high and as far back as it can go. You can compress my forks with straps and the horn will not contact the fender. The horn is pretty much horizontal, with the openings towards the rear, with a slight downward angle. Keeps them clear of water etc. and they always work, and I've been in some torrential storms with them.

You could do the same thing, if you want to fabricate the right shape and length bracket for it.

AdirondackJack wrote: "1. With what did you attach the compressor to on the left side behind the fan and the heat shield?
2. It looks as if you may have cut off the black plastic intake for the compressor from the horn assembly and attached it back somehow to the compressor, complete with another clear plastic tube going into an air nipple that you attached somehow (how?) at the open end of the intake, terminating where?
3. What does the bracket that you attached the new plastic horn to the old location with, look like. any Pics?"

1) I fabbed a short piece of 1/4" aluminum and drilled two holes. One bolts to an existing bolt on the subframe, the other to the provided (with the Stebel) nut and bolt that attaches to the compressor. It doesn't attach too securely on the compressor side, so I used star washers and locktite and cranked it down just short of stretching the bolt. It has never come lose in thousands of miles.

2) Yes, I used a plastic air hose nipple and some kick a** plastic epoxy and put it in the inlet to the plastic horn. I actually used a 90 degree nipple, because I have the horn mounted so high there was no room for a straight nipple.

3) unfortunately I don't think I took pictures of the mounting bracket for the horn, and it would be impossible now unless someone who can get on their knees and contort enough to get a camera up in there wants to come take the picture. I just prototyped it from aluminum the length I measured from the OEM horn bolt hole to the guard surface on the radiator, and then bent and trimmed it several times until I was happy with it.

I will say, I am pretty sure there are copious pictures on this forum that search might find, and there is always a possibility I or someone else posted pictures about Stebel Nautilus install you can use. Also, I remember using google and finding pictures and comments on ZG forums and so forth. That is where I got the idea about using a plastic air hose nipple to allow remote mounting of the compressor.
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2013, 02:43:06 pm »
UPDATE:

I am part way down the road on this farkle. Took the Stebel apart, tapped both the aluminum discharge port and the plastic intake port to accept a threaded brass barb, and then fabbed up a couple brackets to mount the compressor and horn in separate locations. Important part is to make sure you run a separate tube for the air intake out to a good source of fresh air. We will see. . . . . . . . . . . .

Will keep you posted.

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2013, 08:54:15 pm »
UPDATE:

I am part way down the road on this farkle. Took the Stebel apart, tapped both the aluminum discharge port and the plastic intake port to accept a threaded brass barb, and then fabbed up a couple brackets to mount the compressor and horn in separate locations. Important part is to make sure you run a separate tube for the air intake out to a good source of fresh air. We will see. . . . . . . . . . . .

Will keep you posted.

Dave R.

I ran a short hose from the air intake up to the space under the fairing where the top of the 2010+ heat dam is. I put a microphone wind sock ball on the end of the tube and epoxied it in place. It doesn't need to be out in the airstream at all, just not be sucking in hot air.
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 01:34:57 am »
Zarticus wrote: "I did the same exact thing & it work great for awhile until I took a trip to N.C. , I rode the dragon very aggressively a couple times & the fender did hit the horn enough times to break it. You can buy the relay at radio shack for $6.00 & make your own harness with a few connectors & short pieces of wire, Total invested about $7.00 & 5 minutes to build it."

Yes, but Murph's harness / relay doesn't cost much more if any, and it is already set up to plug into the OEM horn wires and just makes it an easy conversion.

Like I said, I made a custom bracket for the plastic horn part, and I cut the plastic down to the bare minimum necessary, and it is as high and as far back as it can go. You can compress my forks with straps and the horn will not contact the fender. The horn is pretty much horizontal, with the openings towards the rear, with a slight downward angle. Keeps them clear of water etc. and they always work, and I've been in some torrential storms with them.

You could do the same thing, if you want to fabricate the right shape and length bracket for it.

AdirondackJack wrote: "1. With what did you attach the compressor to on the left side behind the fan and the heat shield?
2. It looks as if you may have cut off the black plastic intake for the compressor from the horn assembly and attached it back somehow to the compressor, complete with another clear plastic tube going into an air nipple that you attached somehow (how?) at the open end of the intake, terminating where?
3. What does the bracket that you attached the new plastic horn to the old location with, look like. any Pics?"

1) I fabbed a short piece of 1/4" aluminum and drilled two holes. One bolts to an existing bolt on the subframe, the other to the provided (with the Stebel) nut and bolt that attaches to the compressor. It doesn't attach too securely on the compressor side, so I used star washers and locktite and cranked it down just short of stretching the bolt. It has never come lose in thousands of miles.

2) Yes, I used a plastic air hose nipple and some kick a** plastic epoxy and put it in the inlet to the plastic horn. I actually used a 90 degree nipple, because I have the horn mounted so high there was no room for a straight nipple.

3) unfortunately I don't think I took pictures of the mounting bracket for the horn, and it would be impossible now unless someone who can get on their knees and contort enough to get a camera up in there wants to come take the picture. I just prototyped it from aluminum the length I measured from the OEM horn bolt hole to the guard surface on the radiator, and then bent and trimmed it several times until I was happy with it.

I will say, I am pretty sure there are copious pictures on this forum that search might find, and there is always a possibility I or someone else posted pictures about Stebel Nautilus install you can use. Also, I remember using google and finding pictures and comments on ZG forums and so forth. That is where I got the idea about using a plastic air hose nipple to allow remote mounting of the compressor.
I may have not had as much room since my horn was a Woolo. The harness from Murph's is $30 & does not include a relay, You can get the relay from them for $10.35 . A total of $40.35 .  I have about $7 & 5 minutes invested in mine & is custom fit & plugs into oem horn wires. I agree it is easier & more convenient to just buy a pre made one but for me the savings & the fact that I enjoy custom building things made it worth the 5 minutes. I may have to try the stebel horn if it's smaller  :beerchug:   
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 03:16:58 am »
Hmmm I don't think I paid that much and came with everything needed, relay built into the controller and all, but ok :)
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2013, 03:27:11 am »
Hmmm I don't think I paid that much and came with everything needed, relay built into the controller and all, but ok :)

Straight from Murf's, They do have an option to add the relay for only $4 so $34 total  :great:
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2013, 03:31:02 am »
Yes, yes I can read. And I did not pay that much. Maybe he had a deal as part of buying the Stebel at the time. You don't have to convince me what Murph's site says it costs today  :rotflmao:
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2013, 12:48:20 am »
Yes, yes I can read. And I did not pay that much. Maybe he had a deal as part of buying the Stebel at the time. You don't have to convince me what Murph's site says it costs today  :rotflmao:
If I sounded harsh it was not meant that way  :beerchug: I may try the stebel nautilus, sounds like it will fit much better than the woolo  :great: 
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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2013, 03:38:33 pm »
With your permission, since I am the OP, I wanted to get back to the subject at hand.

When it rains it pours:

Has anyone here done a Stebel installation using the left side front location for the compressor,
AND a Rostra Cruise addition to a C14?

Back to the same dilemma: where to put everything? This time I think I really will have to consider getting rid of the left-side glove box (for real) as the only available location for that rather large actuator.

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Re: Stebel Nautilus Horn Install
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2013, 03:41:02 pm »
Yes, OP.

Compressor where my photo shows it. Rostra actuator on right side sitting on the ram air tube with the cable routed under the tank - works perfectly.

I think Fred posted the configuration photos for the actuator on the right on this forum and I found it on ZGGTR forum too if I remember correctly.

With the actuator on the right side like that, you can take the ram air tube cover off and get right to the actuator and wiring harness. And it stays reasonably cool there.
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