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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2018, 01:02:57 am »
Hi. Just a side note on placing the little rubber thingies in the signal switch. I was making it way to difficult. You may not make this mistake but mention just in case you haven’t opened it yet. When you separate them all you need to do is just turn the front section upside down. Right there you cas see where the spacers go but turning the left or right side blinker switch.
I looked at that thing an hour or more. Even taking the slider section apart. lol Way simpler than what I was trying. Maybe you already knew that but just thought I’d throw that in.

 Another FYI for anyone who has installed the Gixerhp Switchback lights  I had the question if they would hamper the operation of the STS. They do not. I installed that system several months ago. Another item I highly recommend.

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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2018, 12:43:18 am »
The web link is for real. Shipped as exactly as promised in a well packaged box. It took 13 Days to arrive. I’ll have it installed the next time I do some maintenance work.
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2018, 12:53:52 am »
Once you get used to it, you’re gonna love it!!! :great:
I still have to adjust my sponge spacers because i have to still press the turn signal cancel button. But it works flawlessly!!
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2018, 01:35:53 am »
Hi. So are you saying you still have to press the signal switch for it to self cancel? Sounds like the spacers are not wide enough to prevent locking in the on position.

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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2018, 01:39:03 am »
Yeah. I couldn’t get them to stay in place. I ended up cutting one in half. But i still have more , so ill fix it this weekend! How did you get your spacers to stay in place?
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2018, 01:45:57 am »
well I dropped on of the small ones and it disappeared forever. I cut one of the big ones in half. So far they have stayed put.

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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2018, 02:03:29 am »
I think i cut one of the smaller ones! Im gonna do the larger ones when i open it up again. Im doing an oil change and air filter this weekend, so ill get to it this week! Other than that i do love this little thing! It is nice!
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #32 on: January 31, 2018, 02:13:30 am »
Yeah the thicker one did work best for me. Now that its broke in so to speak it is as easy as before to turn on left or right blinker. Have fun.
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2018, 04:41:10 pm »
I installed and tested the STS auto cancelling turn signal system.  The job is really not that difficult, and I’ll recap what others said above with some advice of my own. It takes arguably less time than to install than changing the pesky air filter, and removing the left side upper fairing is the same as required for that job. 

It’s easy to release the turn signal switch pod harness from a cable clamp on the left triple key.  Pull up the harness to work on it.  Cut a flap in the harness jacket and find the green, grey, and red/green wires.  Cut them and crimp on the male bullet connectors for the wires coming from the switch, and female bullet connectors to the wires headed to the motorcycle.  From there, it’s simple to insert the module and it’s plug and play at that point.  STS provides crimp-on tab connectors for the power, but I chose to solder and heat shrink the power cables.  I had power in the front fairing from my fuse block, so I used that.  Otherwise, pick a power source that comes on with powering the bike.

Once the electrical connections were made, the harness will have a bulge where the bullet connectors are located.  I tie wrapped them to provide strain relieve for the connectors, and then used my favorite tape called extreme repair tape sold by Duluth trading company.  It is rubber, flexible, and sticks to itself and water proofs the harness.  I then repositioned the harness to allow the bars to turn.
https://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/repair-tape-x-treme-tape-96825.aspx

I then fished the STS module to the upper most part of the left fairing.  You will see a cavity next to the windshield rail.  The best way to describe the installation is that there is a horizontal fairing stay near the upper screw.  Tie wrapping the module harness to the rail, lets the module sit on a little ledge inside the fairing.  The location was level and made the module secure. 

The biggest mystery to me before starting was the little foam pads that get inserted into the turn signal switch.  That was the easiest part of the job!  The switch pod had two long Philips screws, and comes apart easily.  Flip the front section over and you will see the two slots where the foam pads get installed.  Move the switch to the left and the right to insert the pads.  I found that the smaller size pads with a small piece of double sided tape was a perfect solution.  The double sided tape will hold the pads in place, and obviously are on the outside of the switch housing.

So why go to all of that trouble?  Because, duh, you get self-cancelling turn signals!  :motonoises: My 65 mile test ride, proves that it works exactly as advertised.  The turn signal switch with the foam pads becomes a momentary switch instead of a latching switch.  The difference is, you turn it on, and if you never need to do so, you turn it on again to turn it off.  I tried passing, and it detects the lane change.  I put the signal on riding a straightaway, and it will automatically cancel without turns after about 12-15 seconds.  That right there says, you can’t ride for miles with a blinking turn signal and burn up you blinker fluid. Otherwise, it obviously cancels automatically after the completion of a turn.   It’s interesting how natural a self-cancelling turn signal is.  Why doesn’t the bike ship that way?  It’s an obvious safety improvement.  I also verified that it works great with the Switchback LED lights.  One of my posts above has a link for a discounted price.  Hope this helps. 

Here is a link to their manual
https://www.safer-turn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/STS_install_manual_FINAL_V6.pdf

Here are some photos of the switch assembly and foam inserts. (Before someone asks, the red switch is for my garage door opener)





Turn signal switch before the pads


Switch with the pads



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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2018, 02:59:01 pm »
Fred mentioned this one limitation of the STS system in his review in the Concourier.  I encountered it yesterday during a ride.  As we know, the turn signal will self cancel in approx. 12-15 seconds without a turn.  I was approaching a stop sign with the right turn signal on.  As I crawled along waiting for my turn to the right, the turn signal canceled. If I would have stopped before that timeout, it would have stayed on.   Not a big deal to restart it, and certainly better and safer than riding for miles with it flashing.  I assume others have had this happen? 
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2018, 01:01:43 pm »
I'm curious if anyone else besides the few on this thread have installed this STS self-cancelling turn signal system?  I was on a long COG ride yesterday, and it worked perfectly.  A few riders could have used it, since their blinker fluid was getting a workout the entire way down Seak's Run Road.   :nananana:
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2018, 11:40:46 pm »
Spent the day putting this together with no success. Step by step. SPlit the cover and fished out the green, grey and red/green wires. Cut each and put appropriate connectors in place. Found power and ground and tapped those with the supplied connectors. Connected the bike side wires. Turned on ignition and noted 2 flashes. Opened the switch and put in the foams. Connected the switch side 3 wires.  Turned on and got 2 flashes but no signals. Hazard worked.

Went back and disconnected taking foams out and connected original set up. Worked as stock. Reconnected STS unit. No signals. Hazard works. 18 emails back and forth to support with pics of wiring and set up with great detail  of each action and change I tried. . Changed ground, check power and used a jumper to test power. Still getting 2 flashes with STS unit in place when ignition turned on but  no signals with foams or with out foams and switch reset.

I think this is pretty straight forward and seemingly easy . I am not sure why this will not signal when the circuit is plugged in. STS unit is horizontal with logo up and arrow forward. I think support gave up on me as there are no further responses. Any input is appreciated. Wiring is correct and checked by my engineer son and my mechanic brother in law. Grounds are solid and power is going to unit. Unplugging and using connectors to go back to stock set up returns signals to functional

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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2018, 12:05:38 am »
Did you cut down your foam pieces? I had to cut mine in half with wise. They were way to think. Signals wouldnt engage!!
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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2018, 12:23:33 am »
Sounds like a bad STS unit to me.  I believe you that you are competent and checked your work. I saw on a BMW forum that a common problem is that users mix up which side of the cut wires gets the male and female bullet connectors. The direction matters. Again, not saying you have them backwards, but perhaps worth checking if you are not sure. The switch operation could be an issue as well. I used the smallest foam pieces that shipped with a piece of double sided tape to keep them in place and it worked fine. Hopefully STS Tech support sends you another unit quickly if that is the issue. Bummer.
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« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2018, 01:22:48 am »
Did you cut down your foam pieces? I had to cut mine in half with wise. They were way to think. Signals wouldnt engage!!

The thin foams were plenty thin but support had me take them out and try the signal (to no avail) and cancel and try it the other way (again to no avail)  Putting the thin ones I can see why the double stick tape is needed, they will not stay in place when the switch goes the other way.

As for the connectors.... I read and reread the instructions several times to make sure where the males and females were supposed to be situated. Once I had it down I did all the bike side stuff first and then proceeded with the switch side stuff.

I am beginning to believe it may be a bad unit as many times as I took it apart checked and reassembled to make sure all steps were perfect.

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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2018, 04:00:22 am »
I can't get my unit to work either. My mechanic installed it and I reviewed the connections and tested them as we could.

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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2018, 10:39:20 am »
Contact STS?  Mine still works great.  In fact I dont think I would want to ride without it. 
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Re: STS. SAFE TURN SYSTEM
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2018, 07:02:39 pm »
I ended up wiring the unit this weekend and used the free power leads up front for the power. The only thing I did different is I wired it after the connector from the handle-bars, so I used the orange wire instead of the red-green. BE AWARE OF WHICH SIDE OF THE CONNECTOR YOU'RE ON AS THIS WIRE DOES CHANGE COLOR!!

The unit seems to work great for cancelling, and it's a REAL easy install! IF you want to pull it out later, you pull out the unit and reconnect your bike side connectors to the handlebar side. Can't get simpler.

One thing I did different, is I pulled a fuse relay from up under the center cover on the tank and just put the unit in the foam that holds the fuse relays. I then zip tied the relay elsewhere since this unit has to be pretty firmly mounted.

I'd highly recommend it!
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