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Moderators- not sure where this goes so please move it as needed.



So how many folks here have had the low fuel warning surprise them? OK, put down your hands. Now, how many here have been so surprised by the warning that he / she got into a vehicular accident over it? OK, put down your hand. And that concludes the humor portion of our post.

I have conjured up a plug 'n play device that fits a C-14 and eliminates the low fuel warning. The fuel gauge works as it always did other but the low fuel warning is suppressed. But the really nice feature of this device, at least to me, is that the range indicator will continue to work as the fuel level drops. No more "Low Fuel" displayed on the Range page at the very moment it is most useful- after all, who really cares if there is 175 or 190 miles left in the tank? But the difference between 12 miles and -3 miles is pretty important. Please do bear in mind though that the range indicator is a calculated product rather than an exact amount or to put it literally, your mileage may vary from the display, especially at extremely low numbers. I have successfully used the range indicator down to 7 miles remaining at which point the bike was still running but the <nominal> 5.8 gallon fuel tank took 6.04 gallons.

Now for the very best part of this seemingly magical device- it is a no tools, no disassembly / reassembly required install! Yep, you can literally install it in a couple of minutes with no tools, no wiring and no permanent modification to your bike! Fully removable too so the bike can be returned to stock at any time (but let's face it, who would want to remove such a wonderful thing?).

Now I know what a lot of you are thinking- how could anyone put a price on such a marvelous piece of technology? How could it be made available to mere mortals and be able to be enjoyed by thousands, nay, millions of C-14 owners? Well great news- we have worked late into the mid- morning and established an economic cost for such an invaluable product! And remember, nothing but the best components used- OEM or better (better wire): at the moment is $50 and includes shipping in the CONUS. Shipping elsewhere and / or insurance added at actual USPS cost.

The circuit is installed in the wiring just under the saddle.

This is a photo of the device- actually two devices but you will receive only one, most likely either the one in the upper or lower part of the photo.

This is a completely vegan product and no animals were harmed during the construction of this device.

E-mail me if you have any questions or would like to discuss this device further; my e-mail is just under my name on this page.

Brian
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Will it also get rid of the TPMS low battery warning?

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I moved the thread because it's more of and accessories. My question is why not just push the two buttons under the dash as per the manual to turn low fuel warning off?
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No. Unfortunately that one is a radio link and would require a stronger radio link or hacking into the LCD on each bike. There isn't even a decent way to make changing / replacing the batteries easier that I can figure out. If only Kawasaki had put the sensors on the outside of the wheels, eh?

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Will it also get rid of the TPMS low battery warning?
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The thread move is fine by me.

Yep, you can turn off the warning that way (Press and hold the top button, press and release the bottom button, release the top button for those who do not know already) but you cannot get the range function to work no matter what you do. Also a lot of people have complained about remembering the button sequence or have trouble operating the buttons when wearing heavy winter gloves. My own personal reason for eliminating the warning is that I wanted to see the range remaining when low on fuel in the northwest of the US, usually late at night. The range function is calculated in realtime so if you have, say, 40 miles of range remaining at, say, 82 MPH, you may have 50 or 55 miles left at 60 MPH. It can make a big difference if the next sizable city is 38 miles away when the warning goes off. Now I just flip my display to the range function when the fuel gauge reads empty. But certainly this is not something that everyone will find useful or of any value.

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I moved the thread because it's more of and accessories. My question is why not just push the two buttons under the dash as per the manual to turn low fuel warning off?
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Just so I understand, plug it in and that's it? forever. Fuel counts down to zero or until you put more fuel in it?
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Does the Red light come still when very low on fuel?

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Count me in for one. I'm usually in the middle of doing mental calculations of what's left when the damn thing goes off and I have no numbers to refer to.

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does the fuel level still blink or give other indicators ?? just dislike the shift indicator being lost, and the obnoxious low fuel. hardly ever use the range

sooo who will be first to run out after not paying attention and loosing the warning we all hate, lol.

do the 10's hit the mode button on the bar to get past it or does everyone need to do the two button tango like my 09 ??

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Is this considered a farkle??  :rotflmao: gotta have it!!!  >:D


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So how does this work and where do you install it?
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Yes but there is a caveat: the range remaining is an estimate and although pretty accurate, it is not perfect and I would treat it with a bit of respect. Put another way, I the bike will NOT reliably run OUT OF FUEL when the range indicator counts down to 0 [zero]. It could well run out of fuel with 2 or 4 miles of range still showing. I believe this is why Kawasaki shuts off the range indicator when the low fuel point is reached- so that they are not enabling people to run out of fuel. By giving the rider this information it is important to also tell the rider that it is an estimate and should never use the range indicator as an exact function, it is an estimate. I routinely allow my tank to 15 miles and have gone as low as 7 but have never and would never allow it to go below, say, 5 miles. Even when the range indicator read 7 miles the tank took 6.04 gallons (I always overfill the fuel tank) so I do not know if I really had 7 miles of fuel left.

Otherwise, yes, it is just a wiring harness that installs like an extension cord into the bike's harness and nothing more has to be done by the rider. If you do not like it or sell the bike to someone who does not like it, it is a simple matter to simply unplug this harness and remove it from the bike, which will then act just as it did before the harness was installed.

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Just so I understand, plug it in and that's it? forever. Fuel counts down to zero or until you put more fuel in it?
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OK this is a farkle so what's not to love about it.  I have to have it, put me down for one.  On my ride back from Bedford my low fuel warning light came on and it is super annoying, can't tell which gear I'm in or anything else.  How do we go about ordering one? If the orders go geographically I should be close to the top  ;).
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No. Once the harness is installed there will not be any further warnings of any kind. The fuel gauge will work of course, and setting a trip meter when filling up so you know how many miles you've gone on a tank is a good idea and the range function will now always show a reading (an approximate reading!).

As I think I already mentioned, this is probably not a good idea for those who appreciate the reminder of the low fuel warning or tend to not be attentive enough to the fuel level. A perfect example would be riding a lot of short distances and not really paying attention to the fuel gauge; instead of a very visible warning the bike will simply run out of fuel and it will only show the range declining if the rider is using that specific page of the display. So again, this modification has its downside and I want anyone who may want one of these to think about how he / she uses the bike and whether or not the fuel warning has been useful to him / her in the past- if so it would probably be best to pass on this farkle.

Brian

Does the Red light come still when very low on fuel?
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You'll always be on the top of my list Alex.... :-) 

To be fair to everyone, that low fuel warning can be shut down by using the buttons on the dash. The sequence is:

Press and hold the top button.
Press and release the bottom button.
Release the top button.

The display will clear, the top / left red warning LED will illuminate and you can use all the functions of the display other than the range display. I do not want anyone to think the display can be cleared only by using this circuit, and I do not want anyone to buy this thing thinking it is the only way to eliminate that nasty warning screen. What this thing does is stop the warning from ever starting in the first place, and it also causes the range function to continue to work no matter what the fuel level in the tank. But to clear the warning screen Kawasaki has already provided a method- you do not need to buy or add anything to the bike for that purpose alone.

So think about it for a bit and please feel free to NOT buy one if you (and of course anyone else) changes your mind, even if you thought you wanted one at first. I really do want happy customers and do not want anyone to feel obligated in any way to purchase anything from me. The royalties alone on The Cat Joke will support me for hundreds of years into the future.

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OK this is a farkle so what's not to love about it.  I have to have it, put me down for one.  On my ride back from Bedford my low fuel warning light came on and it is super annoying, can't tell which gear I'm in or anything else.  How do we go about ordering one? If the orders go geographically I should be close to the top  ;).
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If you just want to clear the warning display and don't use the range function, you absolutely do not need to buy one of these. You can clear any warning (not errors) including the low fuel warning by using the buttons on the dash. The sequence is:

Press and hold the top button.
Press and release the bottom button.
Release the top button.

The display will clear the warning (if multiple warnings you will have to use the buttons to clear each one individually) and return to its normal state other than the last bar on the fuel gauge flashing and the range function now displaying "Low Fuel" instead of the remaining range. I would suggest trying to quiet the warning with the buttons before buying one of these and then decide if it will be useful to you or not.

As far as running out of fuel, yep that is probably more of a problem with this device installed because the range function continues to display the distance it has calculated remains whether that calculation is exactly right or not. In the end it is up to the rider not to run out of fuel but unfortunately watching it count down instills an incorrect level of confidence in some people I think. I would not allow it to go below, say, 10 or 15 miles remaining because it is an estimate and not an exactly known distance.

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does the fuel level still blink or give other indicators ?? just dislike the shift indicator being lost, and the obnoxious low fuel. hardly ever use the range

sooo who will be first to run out after not paying attention and loosing the warning we all hate, lol.

do the 10's hit the mode button on the bar to get past it or does everyone need to do the two button tango like my 09 ??
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21 May 2013- sold out. I will contact the folks who got in on the sale and try to remember who wanted one but I will post again when I have them in stock (end of this week or beginning of next).

Of course I do not want anyone who tried to order one to feel obligated to buy one. I did not have many in stock and apologize for running out so quickly.

Thanks for the interest.

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put me on the list!! i want one too.  :great: please I.M. me when you have more in stock. thanx.


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Now that I can't have one, I want it so much more!  While I know how to disable that low fuel alarm, it is dangerous if not downright impossible to do it while riding.  It's a PIA to pull over to clear the alarm.  I think this has merit.  Between the GPS fuel gauge, the odometer, and gas gauge, I doubt I would run out of gas and be surprised without the warning.
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This is really a great idea Brian...thanks for sharing your expertise and skills with fellow COGers.  There was on question I read that I don't believe you answered.....

With your solution installed, does the last bar of the fuel guage retain it's blinking feature when the bike reaches low fuel?

Thanks!
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No, no more blinking bar on the fuel gauge. That too is part of the overall 'low fuel' condition and will no longer function. Too bad too 'cause that one wasn't intrusive and may have useful. But it is a package built into the system- you either get them all or you get none and this device leaves us with none.

So to be as clear as possible, with one of these things installed, the fuel gauge works as normal except that the last bar will not blink and will always be black (with the letter 'E' in it). That leaves I think 5 bars of fuel usage; at that point the last bar goes clear I kick the display over to the range function and leave it there. Should a tire spring a leak the display will automatically display a warning no matter what page you are on once the pressure hits a certain level which is 32 PSI as I remember. Of course you can toggle through the screens as always with the added benefit that the range display will display the actual range remaining rather than "Low Fuel" and for you Gen. 2 C-14 owners you can do it with the trigger switch on the left handlebar. We Gen. 1 owners have that switch but it is a flash- to- pass switch and does not effect the display.

Brian

This is really a great idea Brian...thanks for sharing your expertise and skills with fellow COGers.  There was on question I read that I don't believe you answered.....

With your solution installed, does the last bar of the fuel guage retain it's blinking feature when the bike reaches low fuel?

Thanks!
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