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Throttlemeister install ??
« on: April 18, 2012, 05:57:11 pm »
Recently purchased a set of throttlemeisters off the forum. Got the parts in the mail today.  I see there are 3 different size bolts and the insides of the bar ends are definitely different. No instructions included so I am wondering if someone can assist me with just exactly how these things go together. I have included the pics of everything I got in the mail.







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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 07:41:17 pm »
I will try to help, but have only done this once. I too ordered mine from COGer who was defarkling, but did receive instructions.

The washers are actually spacers/shims. I believe I had more than 4 (but not sure), but when you examine, I believe they are actually different thicknesses to make sure the adjustment works. It is really self-explanatory other than I had to play with different combinations of the spacers to get the proper hold/release of the TM. Not enough shim and the throttle stuck on, too much shim and it would not lock at all - or maybe I have that reversed.

Regardless, it wasn't difficult - I just played with the thickness of the washers until I found the sweet spot where it would hold when lock turned counterclockwise, and release completely when turned clockwise. Just don't use any locktite 'til you are sure you have found the proper combination.

As for the different lengths of bolts, two are going to be leftover, and I am guessing it will become evident which are required for your application.
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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 11:19:57 pm »
IIRC, there should be a sleeve that slides over the throttle (under the grip). But maybe these are different than the TT I've had on other bikes including the C10 & C14 (same unit).

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 12:48:50 am »
Recently purchased a set of throttlemeisters off the forum. Got the parts in the mail today.  I see there are 3 different size bolts and the insides of the bar ends are definitely different. No instructions included so I am wondering if someone can assist me with just exactly how these things go together. I have included the pics of everything I got in the mail.

You're missing a crucial part.  There should be a rubber friction sleeve included.  This part is needed for the unit to function. 

I purchased and installed Throttlemeisters on my '09 C14 nearly three years age.  After using them a couple times I decided that they were not for me.  I removed them and installed a vista Cruise.  The Throttlemeisters are a beautifully crafted product and work as intended but to me are impractical to use.  The Vista Cruise is a one thumb operation and to me form follows function.  I sold the Throttlemeisters, along with the instructions to a forum member. 

Ask the person who sold you this incomplete kit if he has the friction sleeve and the instructions.  If not, you'll have to contact Throttlemeister and purchase the sleeve.  While you have their representative on the phone ask for a set of instructions.  Also explain to him just what you have as you may or may not need more spacers. 

This being a new thread, there are a lot of people using this product and help with installation instructions may very well be forthcoming.  Gook luck wih your quest.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2012, 02:58:28 am by Bud »

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 01:26:40 pm »
If you have heated grips then you won't use the sleeve as per the instructions.  Also, you might put a little blue loctite on the threads of the bolts once you have found the correct combination of shims.  The shims give you the desired amount of friction.  One last thing, if you have heated grips, do the install with them turned on that way you can account for the expansion of the throttle grip once it is heated.  Good luck, I just installed mine a few weeks ago and it was fairly painless.  Now I cannot imagine riding without one.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 07:55:30 pm »
Left side goes:
Bolt--->Throttlemeister--->Spacer--->Handlebars

Right side goes:
Handlebars<---Washer<---Washer<---Washer<---Washer<---Spacer<---Throttlemeister<---Bolt

As mentioned, the washers act as spacers. I I use 3 thick washers a 1 thin on mine. The original Throttlemeister kit includes ~6 thick and 3 thin.

Use some thread lock when you install them...


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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2012, 11:08:45 pm »
If you have heated grips then you won't use the sleeve as per the instructions.  Also, you might put a little blue loctite on the threads of the bolts once you have found the correct combination of shims.  The shims give you the desired amount of friction.  One last thing, if you have heated grips, do the install with them turned on that way you can account for the expansion of the throttle grip once it is heated.  Good luck, I just installed mine a few weeks ago and it was fairly painless.  Now I cannot imagine riding without one.

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So you DONT use the rubber sleeve?  OK, I am trying to figure this out.  I think I must be stupid because I cant get it to hold the throttle open.  When you twist the throttlemeister to the "On" position, is that little ring that rotates out, push up against the rubber grip on the handle bar?  Is that how it's supposed to work????  I'm confused!!!

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 12:59:58 am »
If you have heated grips then you won't use the sleeve as per the instructions.  Also, you might put a little blue loctite on the threads of the bolts once you have found the correct combination of shims.  The shims give you the desired amount of friction.  One last thing, if you have heated grips, do the install with them turned on that way you can account for the expansion of the throttle grip once it is heated.  Good luck, I just installed mine a few weeks ago and it was fairly painless.  Now I cannot imagine riding without one.

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So you DONT use the rubber sleeve?  OK, I am trying to figure this out.  I think I must be stupid because I cant get it to hold the throttle open.  When you twist the throttlemeister to the "On" position, is that little ring that rotates out, push up against the rubber grip on the handle bar?  Is that how it's supposed to work????  I'm confused!!!

First off, what year is your Concours?  Do you have heated grips?  If you do, then you do not use the sleeve that is supposed to wedge under the grip.  You would have a hell of a time wedging it under the grip on a 2010+ Concours anyway.  You install the TM without the sleeve and the extrusion from the TM should press against the rubber grip on the bike creating enough friction to hold the throttle open, but not so much friction that you cannot force the throttle closed even with the TM engaged.  The extrusion comes out of the TM when you twist it toward you after it is installed.  If it is not creating enough friction, you have used too many washers, remove and/or add washers until the friction is just right with the TM engaged.  Let me know how it goes, I could probably take a video of the whole process and post it this weekend if you still don't have any luck.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 01:56:32 am »
Assuming that you have a 2010+ C14 with heated grips, you simply remove one of the spacers, install the Throttlemeister and test it out again. Removing the spacers reduces the gap between the Throttlemeister and the end of the grip. At some point, the Throttlemeister will apply just enough pressure against the grip when it's fully engaged. Ideally you want to use just enough spacers for it to fully engage and disengage.

If you have an older C14, then you need to purchase a sleeve from Throttlemeister.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 10:31:25 am »
Oddly..  I have  2010, the instructions I got didn't say bubkus about heated grips, I DID use the collar, and it was not any problem at all.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 10:51:40 am »
I appreciate everyone's help on this. My bike is 2011 with heated grips. I am going to go out today and try to install this thing again. It can't be that hard. Thanks all. I will let you know how I make out.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 11:33:44 am »
If that does not work I have used a variation of this for years. I have a throttle meister and still use this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/EZ-ON-THROTTLE-CRUISE-CONTROL-MOTORCYCLES-/320706762678?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item4aab9cd7b6#ht_500wt_1202
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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 01:43:07 pm »
In another thread, I described putting the TM on my 2011 C14.  I did NOT use the sleeve either.  What makes it quicker than repetitive trial and error with the washers/shims, is to use a dial caliper or precise measuring tool, so you know exactly how much you are changing the thickness with different combinations of the washers/shims.   I think my came with more shims than what you show in the picture if I recall correctly?

The sleeve is what would contact the pressure ring on the bar end, but it works fine contacting the end of the rubber grip.  You need to use enough shims to hold the grip stationary when engaging the TM.

I was going to use a NEP (similar to vista cruise), but was unable to due to the wire at the front of the grip for the heating element.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 03:53:43 pm »
In another thread, I described putting the TM on my 2011 C14.  I did NOT use the sleeve either.  What makes it quicker than repetitive trial and error with the washers/shims, is to use a dial caliper or precise measuring tool, so you know exactly how much you are changing the thickness with different combinations of the washers/shims.   I think my came with more shims than what you show in the picture if I recall correctly?


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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 03:56:16 pm »
Oddly..  I have  2010, the instructions I got didn't say bubkus about heated grips, I DID use the collar, and it was not any problem at all.

I'm glad you didn't tear anything up cramming that sleeve under the heated grips.  The (updated) instructions I used said not to use the sleeve if you have heated grips.
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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 04:21:19 pm »
Like NECRON, on my 2010 w/ heated grips, I too used the rubber sleeve. I simply rolled the grip back about an inch and slid the sleeve underneath. Didn't seem to hurt anything and works well. If you can go without it though, it will probably be easier.
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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2012, 07:11:32 pm »
I think I got it. No shims at all, and it seems to work fine. Thanks all for all your help!

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2012, 11:45:40 am »
I have the 2012 and did not use the rubber part. Did not use it on the 08 either. I am currently using two thin shims and will go to one as none are too tight for my installation. I was going to offer to mail you the instructions and then have you mail them back when you are done. If you decide you want to read the instructions to answer any lingering questions you have, send me a pm and I will mail them to you.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2012, 12:18:26 pm »
I'm tempted to take it out... it creates a kind of funny looking lump.

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2012, 08:57:59 pm »
I have not had a chance to test it out because of scheduling on my end.  I did e-mail Throttlemeister and asked them about the sleeve.  They replied and said if I had heated grips I did not need the sleeve.  So I guess that makes it official.  No sleeve required!

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2016, 10:33:31 pm »
Know this thread is old, but using the search function brought me to this thread and the very helpful information within  :)

Thanks to all who contributed!

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2016, 07:38:23 pm »
I just got off the phone with Throttlemeister, On a Concours with heated grips, No sleeve, just washers.
Maybe heat the grips up to make sure final adjustment is not to tight.
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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2016, 08:05:51 pm »
Hi,
       I bought a used set of throttlemiesters and the brass sleeve wouldn't work right.

Sent it back and it was fixed and sent back gratis.

That's pretty hard to beat!

Yes the heated grips need NO sleeve to work.

The brass sleeve just pushes against the edge of the heated grip and locks the throttle.

Use the shims to find how much pressure you are putting on the grip when you turn the sleeve out!

Easy once you've done it of course! ;D
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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2016, 02:38:47 am »
I have not had a chance to test it out because of scheduling on my end.  I did e-mail Throttlemeister and asked them about the sleeve.  They replied and said if I had heated grips I did not need the sleeve.  So I guess that makes it official.  No sleeve required!

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Re: Throttlemeister install ??
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2016, 08:41:34 am »
Ninja Throttlemeister install video

It's an install on a Ninja...should give you a basic idea of how it goes together. :beerchug:
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