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Forgive my HID l
« on: July 12, 2014, 10:38:44 am »
I like the concept of hid lights (lower power draw, much brighter light output) but I am concerned that with the Connie's low and high beam in one bulb that there a noticeable "warm up" time when switching from low to high beam.
For you hid users please school me

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2014, 10:41:05 am »
Usually there isn't a change in the intensity but actually a metal shroud that moves to make it appear that there are hi beams so basically it's instant hi beam and back to lo beam. At least that's the way mine are.

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2014, 10:54:19 am »
Dion40, what brand/type are you using?

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2014, 11:00:21 am »


I like the concept of hid lights (lower power draw, much brighter light output) but I am concerned that with the Connie's low and high beam in one bulb that there a noticeable "warm up" time when switching from low to high beam.
For you hid users please school me

To the best of my knowledge there are two types. Type one have only one HID bulb and the holder of the bulb moves that bulb to a different
position for the high beam. It's already on so no warmup other than the very first start up . It is re-aimed rather than turned on and off. (this is the type that I have)

 The second type have a HID bulb for the low beam and a Halogen bulb for the high beam. IIRC the HID low beam bulb is always lit and the Halogen comes on
when you go to brights. The Halogen of course comes on pretty fast and since the HID doesn't go off on high beam, it is already lit when you go from high beam
back to low. (I have no first hand knowledge of this second type, however that is how the HID headlights on my wife's van work.)

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2014, 03:40:48 pm »
Ok thanks for the info

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2014, 05:41:47 pm »
Marty is correct. The only warm up is in the initial startup of the bike. Once you are out and about, the bulb shifts in and out of its housing to create low/hi beam.
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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2014, 07:07:17 pm »
Yep, what Marty said- there are two 'families' of HID; the ones where the HID moves, butterflies open or something similar to affect a high beam, and the ones with the halogen (tungsten) capsule strapped onto the HID to create a high beam. I do not think the latter type are even being made anymore but I would suggest avoiding them at any rate; they draw considerably more current, work poorly and the high beam is just not very bright or effective (the filament of the new halogen lamp is in the wrong place).

The current (no pun intended) HIDs that are called bi-xenon, meaning they provide both a high and low beam, leave the HID lit continuously once the bike is started. To create a high beam, the HID lamp or capsule is moved rearward in the lamp mount about 3/8" to change the placement and shape of the headlight's beam, as well as uncover the actual arc from the shield underneath the lamp itself. These types are easy to tell because they have two sets of wires going to the HIDs themselves; one set comes from the ballast and another set of very fine (small diameter) wires comes directly from the harness that comes with the HIDs.

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I like the concept of hid lights (lower power draw, much brighter light output) but I am concerned that with the Connie's low and high beam in one bulb that there a noticeable "warm up" time when switching from low to high beam.
For you hid users please school me

To the best of my knowledge there are two types. Type one have only one HID bulb and the holder of the bulb moves that bulb to a different
position for the high beam. It's already on so no warmup other than the very first start up . It is re-aimed rather than turned on and off. (this is the type that I have)

 The second type have a HID bulb for the low beam and a Halogen bulb for the high beam. IIRC the HID low beam bulb is always lit and the Halogen comes on
when you go to brights. The Halogen of course comes on pretty fast and since the HID doesn't go off on high beam, it is already lit when you go from high beam
back to low. (I have no first hand knowledge of this second type, however that is how the HID headlights on my wife's van work.)
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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2014, 11:27:22 am »
Brian, do you still like the ddm tuning kit and is it the movable shield type?

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 12:02:32 pm »
Yep, I have a couple and that is all they sell as far as I know.

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 12:11:13 pm »
So in navigating their web site they sell a motorcycle kit for single hi/low for $33 which means I need 2? They also have car kits for the h4 that looks less expensive, I wonder if they would work?

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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2014, 12:48:36 pm »
I purchased a set from DDM after talking to Brian and seeing his(LIGHTS).
DDM HID Kit, 35W, H4 High / Low, 5000K
Bulb Color: 5000K
Bulb Type: H4 Hi/Lo (+$20.00)
Wattage: 35 Watt   DDM35W.H4HiLo.5000K   $49.95

I just got around to installing them a few weeks ago and love them.






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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2014, 12:54:36 pm »
Yes but they will not come with the harness to connect both together to operate the high beams.

What you want is a dual light (two headlights) motorcycle kit with H4 lamps and the Hi/Lo option, and the harness that will come with that kit.

4,100K to 4,500K is the whitest and brightest color, anything higher gets progressively more blue, anything lower gets more yellow and either way the light output goes down. That said, some bikers proffer a more blue headlight to get other driver's attention better- 6,000K is also fairly common.

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So in navigating their web site they sell a motorcycle kit for single hi/low for $33 which means I need 2? They also have car kits for the h4 that looks less expensive, I wonder if they would work?
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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2014, 06:22:22 am »
When you shop, you will find each bulb requires its own ballast. These kits are slim enough, I tucked mine up under the dash, and zip-tied them. That location also keeps them relatively cool. I run the 6000 series, and they are BRIGHT!
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Re: Forgive my HID l
« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2014, 09:23:45 am »
Great, thanks for all your input fellas. I've been running the oscram night breaker bulbs which are nice but only last a year for me. HID is about the same money but are better.