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Title: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: 2linby on January 05, 2011, 06:33:40 am
I mean I grew up with 18 years of Catholicism and all the trappings of weird religion. (oh yes the catholics and for that matter, all others are freaking weird)  but I really am beginning to wonder if it isn't bad karma to lock out the thread on karma?  Whaddda think?

(241 more to go!  hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!)
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Cap'n Bob on January 05, 2011, 09:02:01 am
I deleted my post, because this subject seems to want to only create more unnessasary controversy.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Necron99 on January 05, 2011, 01:26:57 pm
As a newcomer to this forum, I have to say this...

I sure hope there was a bunch of back-story to that lock out, because if that's all it takes to lock out a forum, I'm probably not gonna fit in too well around here.  I tend to think that confrontational discourse is healthy.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: WillyP on January 05, 2011, 01:31:19 pm
I agree, there was no reason to lock the other thread.  But, back on the topic of this thread:

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Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out  "Karma"

No, but it is very bad karma for moderators to continue a pointless argument in a locked thread, and even worse karma for them to carry the petty bickering into another thread.

If you can't keep yourself civil in every situation, please reconsider whether or not you have the temperament required to be a moderator.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Colin on January 05, 2011, 03:08:35 pm
I have asked the Mod's concerned to self-moderate their posts and to move their discussion either offline or to the Mods and admins section of the Forum.
 
Its healthy for mods to have active discussions on subjects they feel strongly about, however I feel its wise for any discussion to be had in an appropriate place.
 
 Please give them a bit of breathing space to clean up thier posts.
 
Thanks
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: norm-9688 on January 05, 2011, 04:59:50 pm
I locked the topic because it seems clear where everyones opinons are on the subject and to continue seems pointless. I'm going to move the topic to mods and admins because I think this horse has been beaten enough.

(http://nextmusiconline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg)
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: 2linby on January 05, 2011, 10:53:50 pm
I locked the topic because it seems clear where everyones opinions are on the subject and to continue seems pointless. I'm going to move the topic to mods and admins because I think this horse has been beaten enough.

([url]http://nextmusiconline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Beat_Dead_Horse.jpg[/url])


Wow what a great picture. Glad you had your "figital" with you that day! (that poor horse....)     ;)

To echo Necron99's sentiment here are two of my favorite Gandhi quotes.

"Healthy discontent is the prelude to progress."    and    "Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress." Mohandas Gandhi


I started this  thread because I felt we are being too sensitive and not allowing even a modicum of discourse
 smacks of control up to censorship. This I do not agree with and will continue to argue against this in all forms.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: norm-9688 on January 05, 2011, 11:08:58 pm


To echo Necron99's sentiment here are two of my favorite Gandhi quotes.

"Healthy discontent is the prelude to progress."    and    "Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress." Mohandas Gandhi


I started this  thread because I felt we are being too sensitive and not allowing even a modicum of discourse
 smacks of control up to censorship. This I do not agree with and will continue to argue against this in all forms.

 Bob that thread is the first in 2 years since I've been manager of the forum that I've locked and to date NONE have been deleted. As I'm sure you know I'm not afraid to let the fur fly.  ;D
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: BJ_CT on January 05, 2011, 11:20:52 pm
I sure hope there was a bunch of back-story to that lock out, because if that's all it takes to lock out a forum, I'm probably not gonna fit in too well around here.  I tend to think that confrontational discourse is healthy.

Nope.  Not much back story.  Just an idea most don't think serves a useful or helpful purpose in a healthy discourse.

To confront is to challenge to fight.  How's that healthy?  A challenge to consider another view point or opinion is healthy but to confront?  How is engaging in a pissing contest healthy?

Googled - to meet someone face to face with hostile or argumentative intent.  Had enough of that as a kid.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: norm-9688 on January 06, 2011, 12:05:09 am


Nope.  Not much back story.  Just an idea most don't think serves a useful or helpful purpose in a healthy discourse.



 After reviewing the original thread, by my count, of the 14 original posters only 2 people were against the karma feature, I still think we can use it if we rename the smite/applause titles,suggestions?
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: oldsawfiler on January 06, 2011, 12:23:56 am
To rename it doesn't change anything.  If we are to have something like this there needs to be some accountability for its use.  We need to know why it is being applied and by whom.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: norm-9688 on January 06, 2011, 01:15:14 am
To rename it doesn't change anything.  If we are to have something like this there needs to be some accountability for its use.  We need to know why it is being applied and by whom.

 After looking it over we can change the name of it to something like "Kudos" or how about like/dislike like Facebook uses. Maybe we could use "that a boy"/ "whoa big fella". I think we need to set it back on and see how it goes. Short of the people in that thread I don't think the general users have even used it much or at all. Lets let the users decide its value and use.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Mitch on January 06, 2011, 01:46:20 am
Have any of you seen my Karma?  I'm pretty sure I left it here.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: norm-9688 on January 06, 2011, 02:01:16 am
Have any of you seen my Karma?  I'm pretty sure I left it here.

  The white zone is for karma loading and unloading only  !!    Karma left unattended towed at owners expense !!    :))
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Cap'n Bob on January 06, 2011, 09:06:19 am
Not to try to stir up controversy. But I thought we were going to stop the whole discussion on this function because of different opinions?

 It now looks to me like we can't have any discussion on whether or not to have the function. But it now seems to be perfectly OK to have what seems like a how will it be when we turn it back on discussion? With all do respect, It seems like this subject is only allowed to be discussed one sided!  Why is that?   :o

So after reading this thread this morning, I decided rather than just start up the discussion again, I felt it easier to just have a poll. I started it in another section to keep it away from this thread. If people can just vote on how they feel and try not have politics in the actual poll. Maybe we can really get an idea what the people really want or not want!   ;)
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Camper Dave on January 06, 2011, 12:11:19 pm
I looked at the poll Bob, but I didn't vote. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you put it. I've been involved with software enough to know that most of the time it's not as simple as turn the function on and let the users have fun with it.

I guess my official vote/opinion comes down to this. If it is a question of on or off, in the same form as it was previously, I'd say No. But if it could be used in a way that included a mandatory comment, I'd call it a useful tool. OR.... if a comment was not possible,  turn it into something obviously comical. For an example, Free rider or Safety Nazi. I've personall called enough of the people I like and respect a Safety Nazi, I'm pretty sure they know it's just playfull ribbing.

Just my 2 cents  :D

Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: smithr1 on January 06, 2011, 05:30:06 pm
I think we should have a discussion about having a poll on whether or not we should have a discussion about the use or none use of discussions in deciding if we should be using karma or not.
Winter, got to love it.
As the one that started the original question about using karma... I withdraw the question :)
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: 2linby on January 06, 2011, 06:26:58 pm
I've personall called enough of the people I like and respect a Safety Nazi, I'm pretty sure they know it's just playfull ribbing.


Ribbing? Ribbing!  NO SOUP FOR YOU! You, you, bad bad person......... >:D
  (http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/47140/2106736270052071584S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: 2linby on January 06, 2011, 06:35:03 pm
Have any of you seen my Karma?  I'm pretty sure I left it here.


Is this it?


(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/25091/2922162900052071584S600x600Q85.jpg)


Or is this it?


(http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/47444/2421338830052071584S600x600Q85.jpg)



http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Rev Ryder on January 06, 2011, 07:13:13 pm
Have any of you seen my Karma?  I'm pretty sure I left it here.
Frankly, I've seen your karma and if I were you I wouldn't be leaving it around where folks might see it."   ;) >:D
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Necron99 on January 06, 2011, 11:31:09 pm
Someone's karma ran over my dogma....
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: doug on January 07, 2011, 12:10:28 am
Someone's karma ran over my dogma....

I don't care WHO you are... That's funny there!  ^-^
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Rev Ryder on January 07, 2011, 01:16:14 am
My wife ran over our dog on New Year's Eve while we wuz movin' into the bike barn. :'(



Woof!  O:-)
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Mitch on January 07, 2011, 02:18:31 am
Have any of you seen my Karma?  I'm pretty sure I left it here.


Is this it?   Yes that is exactly. Damn her, how many times have I aked her not to put her feet on the dash?


([url]http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/25091/2922162900052071584S600x600Q85.jpg[/url])


Or is this it?


([url]http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/47444/2421338830052071584S600x600Q85.jpg[/url])



[url]http://karma.fiskerautomotive.com[/url]
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: WillyP on January 07, 2011, 11:37:40 am
I looked at the poll Bob, but I didn't vote. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you put it. I've been involved with software enough to know that most of the time it's not as simple as turn the function on and let the users have fun with it.

I guess my official vote/opinion comes down to this. If it is a question of on or off, in the same form as it was previously, I'd say No. But if it could be used in a way that included a mandatory comment, I'd call it a useful tool. OR.... if a comment was not possible,  turn it into something obviously comical. For an example, Free rider or Safety Nazi. I've personall called enough of the people I like and respect a Safety Nazi, I'm pretty sure they know it's just playfull ribbing.

Just my 2 cents  :D

There is no option for commenting... at least in the stock form, I think it would be a major project to code such a thing.  There is however the option to change the labels, for example on a game forum I used power up and power down.  But everyone there knows it's just a little fun, a joke more or less and everyone plusses one certain person because when I first turned it on he made a big point of saying how he didn't care about it.  But I think here people are taking it too seriously, so leave it off.  There is the option to turn on only the plusses, maybe that would work.  Change the label to 'Thank You' or brownie points or kudos or something like that.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Colin on January 07, 2011, 02:21:28 pm
Willy;
 
There is a SMF Mod for adding comments with Karma posts, and to log them so admins can see if a user is ballot stuffing.
It's also possible to have only +ve Karma.
 
Seems to me that we could also change the -Ve karma to a posive thing, for example Tech Points.
So if someone says or does something nice then folks can give them a Karma +
or if a member posts a good technical fix or whatever folks can post a  Tech +
 
That way we avoid negative points and get 2 positives
Do we need this function, no, probably not.
 
Do folks like thire ego's rubbed yeah of course LoL
 
 
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Rev Ryder on January 07, 2011, 03:48:38 pm

Do folks like their ego's rubbed yeah of course LoL
Could ya maybe just stroke my Id?  He REALLY likes it and gets SO jealous when Ego gets all the attention and then talks Super-Ego into constantly smiting Ego when things don't go Id's way.   :o 
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: S Smith on January 07, 2011, 05:06:59 pm

Seems to me that we could also change the -Ve karma to a posive thing, for example Tech Points.
So if someone says or does something nice then folks can give them a Karma +
or if a member posts a good technical fix or whatever folks can post a  Tech +
 
That way we avoid negative points and get 2 positives



This is a fantastic idea....    Just Do It!

Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: WillyP on January 07, 2011, 06:34:25 pm
Good idea, Colin...  here's a rain check on a +1 for ya!

(http://test.rantthisspace.com/files/misc/rainchick.jpg)
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: norm-9688 on January 07, 2011, 07:06:19 pm

Seems to me that we could also change the -Ve karma to a posive thing, for example Tech Points.
So if someone says or does something nice then folks can give them a Karma +
or if a member posts a good technical fix or whatever folks can post a  Tech +
 
That way we avoid negative points and get 2 positives



 
This is a fantastic idea....    Just Do It!

Thats what I was suggesting something like that. I was hoping for a more positive thing than just tossing it out without some exploration. I'll set it up now and we can re-title it if you and Colin agree.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Victor Salisbury on January 08, 2011, 11:23:16 am
I see no use of it, and based on the observed discussions, a lot more negative then positive.

I come here to glean information, hopefully pass some useful information on. Not "grade" other people or comments.
I will however click on things just to see the numbers change, stir the pot; I am easily amused that way.  :D  :))
(anybody need your numbers plussed up if this comes back, PM me  ;D >:D ;D)
JK JK JK  :))
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: Mitch on January 08, 2011, 02:04:39 pm
I fear our higher selves may not be sufficiently evolved to fully appreciate the karma feature.

As Vic so aptly put it "I will however click on things just to see the numbers change, stir the pot; I am easily amused that way." 

This would also explain why we ride motorcycles when the rest of the world knows fully well that riding motorcycles is both dangerous and foolish.  :)

Perhaps we can use the feature in our next incarnation.
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: 2linby on January 10, 2011, 02:59:39 am
Perhaps we can use the feature in our next incarnation.

I thought this was my next incarnation!  Oh well............
Title: Re: Is it "Bad Karma" to lock out "Karma"
Post by: WillyP on January 10, 2011, 12:28:07 pm
I will however click on things just to see the numbers change, stir the pot; I am easily amused that way.

Glad to know I wasn't the only one.  It's a tough job, but somebody had to do it.   ;)