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Title: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: firehawk618 on May 20, 2013, 06:28:57 pm
I really want to get this break in oil out of my bike.  Just north of 400 miles and i'm changing it.

I ran to Schucks to get Mobile 1 4T "on the list of oils" and it's $11 per quart.  Holy crap.

I went ahead and bought it but will definitely search in advance of my next oil change for a better price.

Bought the larger wix filter also.

Where and what are you guys getting for oils?
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Cap'n Bob on May 20, 2013, 06:37:25 pm
I wait for it to come on sale and then stock up. Last year Advance auto had it on sale for quite a bit cheaper. So I bought a whole bunch from a few different stores. I basically cleaned them out. It won't go bad waiting to be used. And for the last few years, having three bikes meant it can get used pretty quick. I probably have about 15-20 quarts in reserve.  :))
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Post by: Caffeinated on May 20, 2013, 06:40:27 pm
Get it at Amazon.... http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-98JA11-Racing-10W-40-Motorcycle/dp/B004U8JH84/ref=pd_rhf_sc_p_t_1_RE2V (http://www.amazon.com/Mobil-98JA11-Racing-10W-40-Motorcycle/dp/B004U8JH84/ref=pd_rhf_sc_p_t_1_RE2V). $60 for a 6pack, and a $12 off rebate till 5/31. also get a free Mobil 1 oil filter (M1-110). comes out to $8/quart.
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Post by: TimR on May 20, 2013, 09:03:02 pm
GASP.....a oil thread. Walmart has Mobil 1 at slightly less than $10.00 a quart. I'm going to start buying a quart or 2 once in awhile to keep sticker price shock down a little. Tim









tim
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Zarticus on May 20, 2013, 09:47:42 pm
I personally think paying that much for oil is ridiculous, I have been using Rotella 15/40 for years with great results. $12.97 a gallon at wally world !!!.
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Post by: Jephwoyo on May 20, 2013, 09:54:43 pm
Find it on sale and stock up. Last month Autozone ha a deal. Ended up being about $7/qt.

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Post by: scooter on May 20, 2013, 10:23:51 pm
I get mine at wall mart, get 1or2 quarts at a time. Doesn't seem as bad, and I allways have plenty on hand
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: firehawk618 on May 20, 2013, 10:35:48 pm
I was thinking about it.  Being that the interval is every 7500 miles why am I all worried that the oil is 2x the price of regular automotive grade oil?

I wonder if regular mobil 1 is good enough for our machines?  Not that I'd use it until any warranty is expired.  Don't want to give them any reason to deny an engine failure type of claim should that ever happen.

BTW, barely over 400 miles.  Draining my oil as I type.  It's silver and sparkly.  Absolutely disgusting.  I should have done this 200 miles ago.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: scooter on May 20, 2013, 10:45:16 pm
Did my first oil change at 200 miles, then again at 800.
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Post by: Spackler on May 20, 2013, 10:49:48 pm
I just saw Valvoline 4T 10W40 Synthetic on clearance at my local Walmart for $3 per quart.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: firehawk618 on May 20, 2013, 10:50:58 pm
I'd go get it all if I were you.

Personally, I can't stand walmart so I don't go there.
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Post by: Bruiser on May 21, 2013, 12:13:34 am
Yup!  I use Amsoil M/C oil, and it cost me right at the same.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: PaleRider on May 21, 2013, 01:01:56 am
Rotella T6   @ Walmart around $20.00 gallon.
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Post by: itnetpro on May 21, 2013, 02:59:03 am
+1 on Amazon, thats where I got mine plus free shipping...

John
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Post by: WillyP on May 21, 2013, 11:42:26 am
Rotella T6   @ Walmart around $20.00 gallon.

 :great:
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Post by: Roger M. on May 21, 2013, 12:10:12 pm
Was getting my rear brake recall done at the dealer and decided to buy oil for my bike while I was there, Kawasaki synthetic was just under $14 per quart!!! 5 qts oil, oil filter & air filter=$140!!  >:( gotta love New York!!!!  :truce:
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Caffeinated on May 21, 2013, 12:34:18 pm
Was getting my rear brake recall done at the dealer and decided to buy oil for my bike while I was there, Kawasaki synthetic was just under $14 per quart!!! 5 qts oil, oil filter & air filter=$140!!  >:( gotta love New York!!!!  :truce:
:-\
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Post by: WillyP on May 21, 2013, 12:41:26 pm
Yikes I'm glad I don't own a C14.
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Post by: Roger M. on May 21, 2013, 01:03:51 pm
Wouldn't trade mine for the world.  :motonoises:
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Post by: mattchewn on May 21, 2013, 01:05:11 pm
He hath no idea what he be sayin!
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Post by: Larry on May 21, 2013, 01:05:32 pm
+1
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Post by: cra-z1000 on May 21, 2013, 01:17:03 pm
So why not save a few bucks and use the Rotella ? I mean is there a legitamate reason not to ?
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: 1882 on May 21, 2013, 01:31:53 pm
If it makes anyone feel any better I change mine every 1000 miles with Amsoil. Just under $13 per quart.  So, anyone feel better?  :beerchug:
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: mattchewn on May 21, 2013, 01:32:46 pm
Engine oil is like farkles, everyone has their own peronal preference. As long as you are using an oil that is of the correct API classification for the application, then use whatever you personally prefer. Personally I do not spend the money on full synthetic oils, unless, in a particular application they give me significantly better performance results, (better shifting in a bike). Otherwise it will be either a syn blend or conventional oil. I have used synthetic in some of my bikes and it made the trans shift better, others not so much. I am going to try it on the connie for my next change. If there is no noticeable difference then I will go back to regular oil. I know most syn oils can (supposedly safely) be run for double or even triple the typical oil change mileage, and in doing so they will be cheaper than conventional oils. I prefer to keep track of contaminants in my oil on a more frequent basis so I can find a problem, (if one is starting), a bit sooner.
Matt
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Post by: 4Bikes on May 21, 2013, 06:13:05 pm
+1 on Amazon, thats where I got mine plus free shipping...

John
+1  With Amazon Prime, shipping is two days and free.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: cablebandit on May 21, 2013, 06:13:19 pm


Personally, I can't stand walmart so I don't go there.

Then don't bitch when you pay 2 bucks more per quart for the same thing.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: mattchewn on May 21, 2013, 06:16:58 pm
Personally, I don't agree with Wal-marts practices behind the counter. I Have had dealings with them from the supply and distribution side and I refuse to purchase from them, unless it is the only thing available. I don't bitch about paying a bit more somewhere else though.
Matt
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Slingblade on May 21, 2013, 06:23:54 pm
Rotella T6   @ Walmart around $20.00 gallon.

 :great:
:great:
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Spackler on May 21, 2013, 07:50:55 pm
T6, if I remember correctly, doesn't fare very well in used oil analysis results that I have seen. The Rotella 15W40 is probably a better choice, though it isn't synthetic.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Madman on May 21, 2013, 11:08:53 pm
I have also been using Rotella 15W40. I used it in my Wee Strom and now in the C14.  I did how ever make the decision to move up to a Semi-synthetic so I got a gift card for my birthday and two jugs(8 litres total) of this http://www.motul.com/ca/en-US/products/32?f%5Bengine_type%5D=26&f%5Brange%5D=21 (http://www.motul.com/ca/en-US/products/32?f%5Bengine_type%5D=26&f%5Brange%5D=21)  and two K&N filters came to just over a $100.00  I fiqured with how hot it can get under all that plastic why not go with 10W50.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: slidebite on May 21, 2013, 11:36:37 pm
T6, if I remember correctly, doesn't fare very well in used oil analysis results that I have seen. The Rotella 15W40 is probably a better choice, though it isn't synthetic.
That is very interesting, a lot of guys swear by that oil. Remember where you saw that?

I run Texas Tea synth 10w40 myself. Sometimes you can score it for surprisingly cheap on Amazon w/free shipping.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Spackler on May 21, 2013, 11:47:20 pm
T6, if I remember correctly, doesn't fare very well in used oil analysis results that I have seen. The Rotella 15W40 is probably a better choice, though it isn't synthetic.

That is very interesting, a lot of guys swear by that oil. Remember where you saw that?

I run Texas Tea synth 10w40 myself. Sometimes you can score it for surprisingly cheap on Amazon w/free shipping.



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php)

You can search the Motorcycle Used Oil Analysis area and find some UOAs. I was doing some research about what to run in my bike. I think I settled on Mobil 1 15W-50.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: scooter on May 22, 2013, 12:46:08 am
I like mobile1 synthetic also. I would much rather pay a little extra for it than run diesel oil in my motorcycle
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Spackler on May 22, 2013, 12:47:56 am
I like mobile1 synthetic also. I would much rather pay a little extra for it than run diesel oil in my motorcycle

I ran Rotella 15W-40 in my 1150RT. A lot of BMW guys swear by it.

I also ran the T6 5W-40 in my WRX. Subarus love the T6.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: scooter on May 22, 2013, 12:52:06 am
I know a lot of people run it and like it I'm not sure if its for the performance or the price. I think it's fine in cars but I will stay with motorcycle oil in my bike to each there own
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Post by: PaleRider on May 22, 2013, 12:58:05 am
I have run Rotella  T6 in 6 different bikes and I must know 50 other people who do as well. Bikes shift smooth.
I doubt you will ever have a oil related problem using ANY major brand. BTW the T6 is JA rated.
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Post by: Spackler on May 22, 2013, 01:09:29 am
The rap on the 5W40 T6 is that it shears pretty quickly in bikes with a shared sump.

There are plenty of motorcycle used oil analysis posted on that site for the T6, for all sots of bikes. Some look great, others not so much.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: firehawk618 on May 22, 2013, 01:47:42 am


Personally, I can't stand walmart so I don't go there.

Then don't bitch when you pay 2 bucks more per quart for the same thing.

Did I bitch about paying $2 bucks more for the same thing?  Nope I didn't.  I was just surprised how much the proper spec oil was priced at.

I'll go across the street and pay $10 more total for an oil change vs. battling the walmart idiots. 

Just how I feel.
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Post by: oldmots on May 22, 2013, 01:35:37 pm
I am surprised at folks using Rotella in a motorcycle. This stuff is non-synthetic formulated for diesel engines, to soak up sulfur, not for high revving motorcycles.

Oh well, the world is a strange place. I use the finest synthetic that meets the manufacturers specs I know of which makes the tranny shift very smoothly.
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Post by: oldmots on May 22, 2013, 02:00:44 pm
I meant to mention that if you want to use diesel oil, the Chevron Delo 400 may be a better bet than Rotella. I use this in my marine diesel and it keeps those tremendous low speed bearing loads under control.
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Post by: PaleRider on May 22, 2013, 03:30:12 pm
I am surprised at folks using Rotella in a motorcycle. This stuff is non-synthetic formulated for diesel engines, to soak up sulfur, not for high revving motorcycles.

Oh well, the world is a strange place. I use the finest synthetic that meets the manufacturers specs I know of which makes the tranny shift very smoothly.

Funny last time I checked Rotella T6 is FULL synthetic MA/JA certified.
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Post by: LakeTrax on May 22, 2013, 04:44:52 pm
I understand if some of you guys live in Phoenix or Vegas and ride day-in & day-out in those elevated temperatures, but for everyone else out there... why would you choose to run any viscosity oil other than 10w-40 which is recommended in the manual? :017:
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: scooter on May 22, 2013, 10:52:39 pm
Exactly,oil is the life blood of your engine run the best you can get. It's cheap insurance
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Post by: Spackler on May 22, 2013, 10:56:52 pm
The manual suggests a wide range of viscosities. If you're operating above zero degrees, just about anything shown in the little chart in the manual is fine.

Just because the oil bottle has a picture of a motorcycle on it doesn't make is superior oil. I'd rather see an analysis of the used oil in a bike like mine as actual evidence of how it performs.
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Post by: LakeTrax on May 22, 2013, 11:34:05 pm
You're right Spackler, but there is no 5w or 15w something listed in the manual- The chart does show varying viscosities, but base recommendation is 10w-40.
Title: Re: $11 bucks a quart of oil! Damn!
Post by: Spackler on May 23, 2013, 12:09:12 am
If 10W-40 is ok, and 20W-50 is ok, 15W-40 or 50 is fine too.

I personally wouldn't run the Rotella 5W-40 in my bike, but that's just due to the reports that others have shared that show it shearing very quickly in shared sump bikes.

I'd be willing to bet that if you changed it every 3000 miles, any motor oil in the proper viscosity would be fine and you'd never have an oil related issue.
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Post by: LakeTrax on May 23, 2013, 12:57:20 am
If 10W-40 is ok, and 20W-50 is ok, 15W-40 or 50 is fine too.

I personally wouldn't run the Rotella 5W-40 in my bike, but that's just due to the reports that others have shared that show it shearing very quickly in shared sump bikes.

I'd be willing to bet that if you changed it every 3000 miles, any motor oil in the proper viscosity would be fine and you'd never have an oil related issue.
I concur with all of that... especially the last sentence. :beerchug: I'm just trying to find out what benefits people have perceived and/or documented that would justify changing their C14's oil viscosity from (factory recommended)10w-40.? Maybe their operating conditions are just that severe? ::) :017:
Even without all of the "shared knowledge", I don't know why anyone would choose to run a 5w- oil when the chart in the manual ranges from 10w-30 to 20w-50.? Guess we're all just different, and that's what makes it all interesting-
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Post by: mattchewn on May 23, 2013, 01:30:11 am
The only way I would consider running 5w anything in a bike is maybe for ice racing in the dakotas in Jan-Feb when it is -20 outside.
And BTW there is no freaking way I would be out there on a bike on the ice in that cold a temp!!!
Matt
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Post by: LakeTrax on May 23, 2013, 01:40:00 am
The only way I would consider running 5w anything in a bike is maybe for ice racing in the dakotas in Jan-Feb when it is -20 outside.
And BTW there is no freaking way I would be out there on a bike on the ice in that cold a temp!!!
Matt
EXACTLY!!!
And unless you are one of the <1% that I mentioned earlier(consistently ride in sweltering 104deg.+ heat) why would you go to a 50weight oil?
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Post by: mattchewn on May 23, 2013, 02:04:50 am
The only way I would consider running 5w anything in a bike is maybe for ice racing in the dakotas in Jan-Feb when it is -20 outside.
And BTW there is no freaking way I would be out there on a bike on the ice in that cold a temp!!!
Matt
EXACTLY!!!
And unless you are one of the <1% that I mentioned earlier(consistently ride in sweltering 104deg.+ heat) why would you go to a 50weight oil?
I guess they think their fuel mileage is unacceptably high. Using heavy oil will definitely help them achieve lower numbers!
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Post by: WillyP on May 23, 2013, 10:29:39 am
I think it is kinda along the more (and/or bigger) is better mentality. ie, if 40 is good, 50 must be better.
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Post by: mattchewn on May 23, 2013, 10:37:53 am
Well thicker oil leaks slower!
Matt
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Post by: spikey01 on May 23, 2013, 12:55:20 pm
I use Spectro Golden 4 Synthetic Blend Oil 20W50. Always. Why?
I had an '86 C-10 bought new in May 1986. Sold it in 2004 with 102,000 miles on it. It NEVER had any engine or transmission problems.
No camshaft pitting - very little wear. No valve issues. Never replaced the cam chain, or the tensioner. It always shifted smoothly.
20W50 works better in the hot climate and brutal traffic of LA.
$11 a liter at Chapparal Motor Sports in San Berdoo. $55 gets enough for a change with some left over.
Changed it every 6000 miles.
I highly recommend it. Used it on both my Wings, and I'm using it in my C-14.

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Post by: oldmots on May 23, 2013, 01:09:56 pm
I use this oil in my old bikes and it works very well. It is a motorcycle oil that is designed for air cooled engines and is very temperature stable. I personally think that a 50 weight oil is way to heavy for something with tight tolerances  that can rev to 10,000 rpm but that is just my feeling about it. This brings up the reasoning that using a diesel oil such as Rotella in these engines is not a good idea as it is not designed for high rpm engines, it specializes in neutralizing sulfur based acids and holds very high  surface tensions for high bearing loads, none of which a motorcycle gets. Another issue about large range conventional oils...the big viscosity range is achieved by adding long chain polymers ("rubber" in the industry) to it. This stuff will shear and make a mess, reducing the effectiveness of the oil pretty quickly. Stick with synthetic if you want to use 5W-50.
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Post by: fmehrtens on July 05, 2013, 06:50:13 pm
All of you make very good points. But the first number is the  viscosity when cold . 5w40 is a good thing during start up. But the wide spread (5w40) forces them to use the funny stuff that can break down and then you have a thinner oil. This is not as much of a problem with synthetic though. I read this on the "bob the oil guy" I think. I just purchased my first 14. Love the bike and I enjoy this forum also.
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Post by: Daytona_Mike on July 06, 2013, 01:21:24 am
 :hum:
I was wondering why I saw somewhere on the back of a gallon jug of Rotalla  pictures of cars , trucks and  tractors with a box checked off next to them and a picture of a motorcycle with the box not checked. Another words the manufacturer of this oil does not recommend using it in motorcycles.
I wonder why that is?Maybe it is this:
JASO is an acronym that stands for "The Japanese Automotive Standards Organization." Among other things, they set standards for oil to be used in motorcycles.
Shell Rotella T oil does list on its packaging JASO MA as one of the specifications it meets.
Just saying...  please dont shoot the messenger.