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Title: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 27, 2015, 06:59:29 pm
This bike is new to me, so......

Ok, was only a one hour ride (2 hrs after there and back), but my a** hurts.  I have a somewhat stock seat but with heat (not sure if it's stock or not, but looks that way). 

Two questions - more comfortable seat?, and I'm guessing the heated portion of seat is not transferable to new seat, new seat would have to be heated as well?

Arm pain and slight numbness as well, but will I get used to that as my forearms increase in strength given the different position then I'm used to with past bike?

Thanks,
Wood
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Mage on November 27, 2015, 08:53:56 pm
my current solution is an air hawk...
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: 4Bikes on November 27, 2015, 09:14:16 pm
I have the Kawasaki touring seat upgrade.  When riding more than 200 miles I will use the Airhawk R. I never think about pain in the butt. There are threads for both solutions.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 27, 2015, 09:15:13 pm
Mage,

You have a pic of this add on seat?  Does the heat from your seat radiate up through it?  How much taller does it make you sit (cause that would effect the wind coming up over the shield)?  How long have you had yours?  When looking on line it says they go for about $150.00.

Wood
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 27, 2015, 09:19:20 pm
So that's two votes for this Airhawk.....  Do they have stock seats that fit the Connie, or is every one custom.  The web site states you have to measure your seat to have it made.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: 4Bikes on November 27, 2015, 09:21:49 pm
The Airhawk is a pad that fits over any seat.  It's something like beads, but more refined.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Dave Scott on November 27, 2015, 09:40:22 pm
beads are a real cheap solution and easy to try.  they worked for me.  airhawk is a known inexpensive solution too.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 27, 2015, 10:14:05 pm
Beads it is, ...... with the back up of the Airhawk.  Read several reviews where the Airhawk seems to be the creme-de-crem, but just don't have the extra cash for that right now, so will default to the beads (which came very highly recommended by several articles) till either the beads don't work, or I hit the lottery.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: seagiant1 on November 27, 2015, 10:36:39 pm
Hi,
       A custom Seth Laam seat,  was my FIRST upgrade! :great:

Getting rid of the "potato launcher" was the second! ;D
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Old Man on a Connie on November 27, 2015, 10:41:32 pm
http://www.motorbikesaddles.com/Kawasaki%20Concours%2014.htm (http://www.motorbikesaddles.com/Kawasaki%20Concours%2014.htm) Save your nickels and dimes. The best upgrade but cheeks down. Play on hands down. See what I did there?  ;) :beerchug:
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Sailor_chic on November 27, 2015, 10:48:54 pm
Why say two words (air hawk) when you can say one, Baldwin!!
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: 4Bikes on November 27, 2015, 10:51:09 pm
Why say two words (air hawk) when you can say one, Baldwin!!

Airhawk is one word and is the word.

http://www.airhawk.net (http://www.airhawk.net)
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: seagiant1 on November 27, 2015, 11:45:50 pm
Hi,
       Not trying to start anything but just a DESIGN compro.

The factory Kawi seat would start to "bite' the underside of my legs after about an hour of riding!

The Laam seat has these small "wing" protrusions and no sharp edges and gets rid of the numbing bite of the OEM!

I'm sure all these seat makers do excellent work but the design and $$$ factors in as well! Just sayin! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Sailor_chic on November 27, 2015, 11:52:28 pm
Why say two words (air hawk) when you can say one, Baldwin!!

Airhawk is one word and is the word.

[url]http://www.airhawk.net[/url] ([url]http://www.airhawk.net[/url])


Been there, done that. They just weren't for me. I even bought a second one to re-try using one since everyone talks so highly about them. I suppose to each their own. I justy didnt like sitting on a marshmallow.

Oh, and my two word comment came from the first replu in this thread from Mage who used two words.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Arabian Red on November 28, 2015, 12:03:30 am
Seth Laam seat was the best thing I did for my bike, well that and all the other tings I have added but we won't talk about that growing list right now.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Old Man on a Connie on November 28, 2015, 12:59:10 am
I'll not throw stones at Seth. Everything I've heard is he does outstanding work. I will say this though. I've met Loren 3x's at the nationals and he always greats me with "Hey Mark, How ya doin'". I know I can call him and get my a$$ fixed. COG Industry member and all around good dude. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Sailor_chic on November 28, 2015, 01:11:34 am
And to add to what Mark said about Loren.. I know for a fact that I can sit on his seat for over 19 hrs in a day.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Rock on November 28, 2015, 01:32:09 am
Had the Air Hawk on my C10 and it was fairly good for me. Then won a Skwoosh (sp) at the national this year, liked it better. Just got a 2013 C14 in Sept and used it on my return trip to Ga after purchasing the bike in AR.

Rode 600 miles in one day. The Skwoosh is a gel pad about an inch thick. I thought it better than the Air Hawk, for me. So I've been riding with it everywhere and had not sat on the stock seat for a ride until the other day. I was/am impressed. I'm probably 210 lbs with "all the gear all the time" and the stock seat has been really surprising in comfort.

Went 115 miles today and no sore butt! May end up going "nekkid" more often. :))

Phil
COG 5879
2013 C14
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Spackler on November 28, 2015, 01:36:32 am
This bike is new to me, so......

Ok, was only a one hour ride (2 hrs after there and back), but my a** hurts.  I have a somewhat stock seat but with heat (not sure if it's stock or not, but looks that way). 

Two questions - more comfortable seat?, and I'm guessing the heated portion of seat is not transferable to new seat, new seat would have to be heated as well?

Arm pain and slight numbness as well, but will I get used to that as my forearms increase in strength given the different position then I'm used to with past bike?


Thanks,
Wood


Did Kawi ever offer a heated seat at an option? I didn't think so. Your seat is probably aftermarket or at least someone fiddled with the stock one.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Mage on November 28, 2015, 02:04:49 am
Why say two words (air hawk) when you can say one, Baldwin!!

Airhawk is one word and is the word.

[url]http://www.airhawk.net[/url] ([url]http://www.airhawk.net[/url])


Been there, done that. They just weren't for me. I even bought a second one to re-try using one since everyone talks so highly about them. I suppose to each their own. I justy didnt like sitting on a marshmallow.

Oh, and my two word comment came from the first replu in this thread from Mage who used two words.


I didn't like it myself.  Then somebody told me to let air out of it.  Soon there was almost no air in it.  THEN I liked it!

It's not perfect but, for the $$$, I don't think you can do better.

The problem with all those uber - expensive seats is, what if you don't like it?
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: 4Bikes on November 28, 2015, 11:53:01 am
Agreed. If it feels like you are sitting on a marshmallow then you have too much air in it. It should feel like you are sitting on the hard seat, but if you move around, you should feel the cushioning.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Not So Wild Turkey on November 28, 2015, 12:01:03 pm
Didn't take long for me to know that ether the stock seat had to go or the whole bike would have to go.  Bought a Laam and after a 1000 mile day it had to go as well.  Purchased a Baldwin and was finally satisfied.  Did a 1500 mile day and only got off the seat 3 times in that trip.  I felt it but there was no doubt that Baldwin was the answer for me.  That being said the same answer doesn't work for everyone.  If you were close enough I would let you borrow my seat for a day to see.  Oh well.

Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 28, 2015, 12:12:18 pm
Thanks for all the great input.  Will store all this till a point where I can afford a good seat.  After having just bought tip guards, grips, winter suit, etc,....I'm poor ???

What is a "potato launcher"?

Someone said the next thing they replaced was the "Potato launcher"

Thanks,
Wood
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Dave Scott on November 28, 2015, 12:14:13 pm
Thanks for all the great input.  Will store all this till a point where I can afford a good seat.  After having just bought tip guards, grips, winter suit, etc,....I'm poor ???

What is a "potato launcher"?

Someone said the next thing they replaced was the "Potato launcher"

Thanks,
Wood

exhaust can.  I personally love the V&H CS-1.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 28, 2015, 12:31:56 pm
Ahhh.....
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Fork on November 28, 2015, 02:13:03 pm


One more vote for Loren Mock and the Baldwin seat he builds. He's great to work with and the saddle can't be beat. He's a forum member and rides a Concours as one of his personal bikes.(He also has a Buell problem) I've tried the factory seat, a Corbin, then a Corbin re-done by Seth and back to the Baldwin. Just like the previous posters, I can ride the Baldwin for 1000 miles in a long day and still walk and sit comfortably. Don't know what his secret is but I do know the seat works for me. You'll never regret it.

Fork
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Jet Jocky on November 28, 2015, 02:41:46 pm
A big +1 for Seth Laam seats.

This one on my Connie is my 3rd Laam seat on as many bikes.

Transforms your bike from an a** burn into an all day rocket. :beerchug:

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=59415.0;topicseen (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=59415.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: seagiant1 on November 28, 2015, 03:12:49 pm
Thanks for all the great input.  Will store all this till a point where I can afford a good seat.  After having just bought tip guards, grips, winter suit, etc,....I'm poor ???

What is a "potato launcher"?

Someone said the next thing they replaced was the "Potato launcher"

Thanks,
Wood

Hi,
        That "potato launcher" didn't poke you in the eye when you looked at the bike? :-[

The Delkevic Carbon Fiber Oval is a good fix for that! ;D
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: robertv on November 28, 2015, 03:30:44 pm
+1 for Seth Laam seat and Delkevic cans!   ;)

Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 28, 2015, 03:34:13 pm
No, never cared about mufflers, as long as it came with one.  I'm more about fairings and carrying capabilities.  More of a functional type of guy then aesthetic....
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: seagiant1 on November 28, 2015, 04:24:06 pm
No, never cared about mufflers, as long as it came with one.  I'm more about fairings and carrying capabilities.  More of a functional type of guy then aesthetic....

Hi,
       Sometimes form follows function! ;D

Good luck, it's a fantastic machine, and worth setting up for YOU! :great:
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Cap'n Bob on November 28, 2015, 07:33:58 pm
Why say two words (air hawk) when you can say one, Baldwin!!

Airhawk is one word and is the word.

[url]http://www.airhawk.net[/url] ([url]http://www.airhawk.net[/url])


Been there, done that. They just weren't for me. I even bought a second one to re-try using one since everyone talks so highly about them. I suppose to each their own. I justy didnt like sitting on a marshmallow.

Oh, and my two word comment came from the first replu in this thread from Mage who used two words.


I didn't like it myself.  Then somebody told me to let air out of it.  Soon there was almost no air in it.  THEN I liked it!

It's not perfect but, for the $$$, I don't think you can do better.

The problem with all those uber - expensive seats is, what if you don't like it?


  I had an Airhawk. I could never get it so there was enough air to do anything but not be too much and made me feel like I was sliding around on the seat. I got rid of it and went with a Alaskan sheep skin on a Corbin seat. The combination offered good support and was soft and comfortable. The sheep skin made the normally hard, but supportive seat, much more usable. It also makes it cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. (especially if you have a heated seat). There are lots of good seat options out there. But what works good for one, might not work well for the next person. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: robertv on November 28, 2015, 07:40:38 pm
I agree, but after riding another buddy's C14 with a stock muffler, the difference in weight and maybe if any increase in power was substantial. Luckily when I bought a new to me 08 C14, it came with the Delkevic. For the seat, I'm very happy with Seth Laam.  :motonoises:

No, never cared about mufflers, as long as it came with one.  I'm more about fairings and carrying capabilities.  More of a functional type of guy then aesthetic....
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: DaddyFlip on November 28, 2015, 09:25:49 pm
I have a Baldwin GT on a ZR7... Loren is the man! Tried a Seth seat and didn't like it as well, especially his smooth vinyl- it's a slip n slide. Definitely needs texture, which I'm sure he offers. For my Baldwin, I chose the premium ostrich vinyl for the 7 and love it. Would go with the diamond weave for the 14 IF I didn't go leather.

I also have an Airhawk R which works great on the standard Kawi seat. Just did an 18 hour round trip over two days. The front of the thighs get tired from lack of support; this is where the GT seat shines.

After spending a little time on a Gold Wing, I might also recommend a Russell Day Long, which is a similar design.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Deepsea on November 28, 2015, 11:45:24 pm
I tried all the seats mentioned here and finally settled on a Russell Day Long. Expensive but worth it.


Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Tom Morgan from Georgia on November 29, 2015, 02:52:52 am
To Rock:  My 2013 Connie seat was NOT COMFORTABLE for me UNTIL it was modified.... this way: Took the seat off, pealed the vinyl back about 2/3 way (after removing some staples), took a sharp turkey knife and cut off about one inch of the foam, ground down the rest of the foam at the large part to shape it for my personal buttocks-thigh fit, then refitted (stretched) the vinyl over the customized foam with new staples and ..... ummmmh!  good fit!  A one hour job with careful planning of where to trim the foam ...and no more tired buttocks or sores under thighs!  And, in the winter, I use an alaskan sheep cover over the seat to keep buttocks warm! Caveat: don't mess up the seat carving with the knife or hand grinder!     
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: mtnbandit on November 29, 2015, 04:57:14 pm
  Russell Day Long Seat for me. Very comfortable all day rides. I have 42,971 miles on my 2011 and 36,724 comfortable miles on the Day Long Seat.
 Just my 2 cents.
 Brent
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: seagiant1 on November 29, 2015, 05:07:48 pm
Hi,
       Yes you can see the "Russell" has the side "wings" very similar to the "Laam"! :great:

It seems this design is the most comfy for long rides! :motonoises:

What I liked about the Laam was this design, plus the good looks of the seat! :beerchug:

As I said before I doubt any of these guys make a bad seat! ;D
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woody_nj on November 29, 2015, 07:28:55 pm
Reminds me of my old Venture seat - that felt like sitting in my easy chair at home
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: woodie on November 29, 2015, 07:38:51 pm
Seth Lamm Custom Seats is what I have. Great!!!
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Bigfoot_16 on November 29, 2015, 11:40:17 pm
The problem with all those uber - expensive seats is, what if you don't like it?

Mage, when my Baldwin arrived, it was too firm for my rear and I still slid into the tank. I rode my bike from Texas to Kansas to have Loren work on it. He put denser foam in the front part of the saddle to prevent the sliding forward movement and I rode home. He asked me to ride on the "firmer than my butt liked" main seating area for a few hundred more miles, because it was correct, in his engineering mind, for my size and weight. So, I rode it for several more weeks and put several hundred miles on it. My butt still hurt. I shipped it back to him and he put one level less dense foam in it for me. Now it is perfect and I can't imagine a more comfortable saddle. I paid shipping both ways, but it was more than worth it to get it right.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: 4Bikes on November 29, 2015, 11:55:42 pm
Lots of great information and opinions on what works. I think most of us know what it feels like to ride between 6 to 12 hours on a saddle that slowly wears you down and makes every hour less and less enjoyable.  Spending money on a fix is justifiable. Whatever solution you find, hopefully you will find the right solution and always appreciate what it means to ride without thinking about monkey butt, hot spots, rash, numbness, swamp butt, you name it. Motorcycling long distances is so much better with the right solution. What that solution is, will hopefully not be trial and error since that gets expensive.
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: Chewy on November 30, 2015, 05:15:28 pm
Hey Woody Had the same problem when I first got my bike?I have a GL1800 and CBR1000 So a big difference either way TS seats in Fayetteville AR solved problem He can be frustrating at times but Tom is a seat wizard If your seat has a heating option sure he can transfer it to his new design He actually makes the seat for your body dimensions So look him up and get with him Take care
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: TicTac on November 30, 2015, 10:36:11 pm
Hi,
       Yes you can see the "Russell" has the side "wings" very similar to the "Laam"! :great:

It seems this design is the most comfy for long rides! :motonoises:

What I liked about the Laam was this design, plus the good looks of the seat! :beerchug:

As I said before I doubt any of these guys make a bad seat! ;D

Only your own a** will give you a correct opinion about the seat.  ;)
Any seat would feel different from the stock seat. But ... only the Russell Company has the rights to use the internal spring. :great:
Once you'll try Russell, you'll never go back!!! :motonoises:
My vote goes to the Russell seat. :beerchug:
Not the best looking, but what a ride!!!  Just like my old ... Ahh... never mind. :) :) :)
Title: Re: "MY a** hurts!"
Post by: BillW_NC on December 01, 2015, 12:07:43 am
OP... order a Russell Day Long.

It is the best... period.