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Offline tHeWoRm

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15,000 mile service cost
« on: February 16, 2016, 04:47:16 pm »
I'm sorry if I'm duplicating a previous thread, but this is area specific.   

My local dealer (Cliff's Cycle Center) in Bremerton, WA just quoted me $899 plus parts for the major service.  That seems much steeper than what others are paying for this service.   I don't need all the fluid flushing, etc, just need the valves adjusted and plugs changed.   

Anyone gotten a better price in the Seattle / Tacoma area?

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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2016, 04:59:05 pm »
I'm sorry if I'm duplicating a previous thread, but this is area specific.   

My local dealer (Cliff's Cycle Center) in Bremerton, WA just quoted me $899 plus parts for the major service.  That seems much steeper than what others are paying for this service.   I don't need all the fluid flushing, etc, just need the valves adjusted and plugs changed.   

Anyone gotten a better price in the Seattle / Tacoma area?

Thanks

That's about what most places charge BUT, unless you trust this dealership implicitly, I'd NOT have my valves checked/adjusted at the dealership.  The opportunity to "cheat" is very high how will you know if they checked and properly adjusted the clearances unless you get in there yourself and double-check.

If you don't have any expertise in this area, my guess is that there are some fellow COG'ers near you who would gladly offer to assist.  That way you know it's been done right.

Bottom line is that checking the valve clearance is actually pretty easy and doesn't take much in the way of special tools other than a quality set of feeler gauges.  Doing the adjustment itself can seem overwhelming but it's not all that difficult.  Just a lot of simple steps.  Take your time, double-check everything, and you will succeed.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2016, 06:16:15 pm »
Agree, it's about the same where I had a quote from Paulson's in Lacey http://www.paulsonsmotorsports.com. Mainly its labor/hr that makes it costly, but if you have the time and/or a good friend/mechanic and using the forum here, you'll find lots of help and advice. I want to do this myself, but don't have the time or space. I already have the cam sensor o-rings from MOB and a few other items, just need to find a good weekend to take cages and fairings off.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2016, 07:40:28 pm »
If you do the valve adjustment yourself, contact me and I would like to watch and assist if you need a hand.  I haven't done a valve adjustment and don't need one now, but would like to observe as the bike is disassembled and the adjustments made, so that I can do it myself in the future.  My e-mail is STEVELARSON2@COMCAST.NET, and I'm in the Lake Stevens, WA area.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2016, 10:03:36 pm »
I'm sorry if I'm duplicating a previous thread, but this is area specific.   

My local dealer (Cliff's Cycle Center) in Bremerton, WA just quoted me $899 plus parts for the major service.  That seems much steeper than what others are paying for this service.   I don't need all the fluid flushing, etc, just need the valves adjusted and plugs changed.   

Anyone gotten a better price in the Seattle / Tacoma area?

Thanks

I'm curious as to how many hours of shop-time they're quoting on this?  I'm finishing up my first (25k miles) and I know it has taken well over ten hours so far (though I'm not hurrying at all) and I'm not yet done!  Stripping the bike alone took four to five hours - and that's just to get to the measurement step.
Parts will run $300 to $400 depending on dealer mark-up.
To me, it was / is worth it to get to know the bike better and have the comfort level of knowing it was done right and completely.
My advice (if you have the room and time) - get Fred's videos, a shop manual, the few "specialty" tools you need and give it a go.  It's not overly difficult - just very time consuming.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2016, 12:31:08 am »
I have had Gixxertech (Faron Krader) do all my Kawasaki's valve adjustments, KLR and ZX14. he is located in Lakewood WA. Way less than the dealer and he has a super reputation here in the PNW

I am waiting till 25K or even maybe 30K before I take the C14 in. My choice.

I do all the work and maintenance on all my bikes, but the valve adjustment and TB sync I leave to him. :beerchug:
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2016, 09:36:35 am »

I am waiting till 25K or even maybe 30K before I take the C14 in. My choice.


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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2016, 02:57:30 pm »

I am waiting till 25K or even maybe 30K before I take the C14 in. My choice.


Me too.

That's what I did, too. I had them do the valves, plugs, air filter, and brake and clutch fluid and it totaled $489.00 parts and labor.

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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2016, 04:37:22 pm »

I am waiting till 25K or even maybe 30K before I take the C14 in. My choice.


Me too.

That's what I did, too. I had them do the valves, plugs, air filter, and brake and clutch fluid and it totaled $489.00 parts and labor.

Less than $500 for all that - and a valve job?  Did you confirm they went all the way in and measured the valve clearances?  Were there any that were out of spec and required adjusting?  If so - someone better call the catholic church - I think we have a miracle on our hands!
Hell - for that price, I would have ridden my bike to where ever this was completed.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2016, 06:24:17 pm »
Thanks for the reference Greg! Not too far from my parents place, will follow up with them soon.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2016, 08:01:22 pm »
Thanks for the reference Greg! Not too far from my parents place, will follow up with them soon.

I forgot to mention I usually take all the plastics off before going the Gixxertek and usually trailer my bikes to him. Reasons are its good practice to take the plastics off, I know that when I get it back the service has been done but I am responsible to make sure the plastics are put back on correct and not missing anything. The other reason is he charges less due to him not having to strip the bike and then get to the guts for the service and then reassemble. Not many can do that I suppose but I live close enough and have a trailer so this has never been an issue for me.

Paulson's is also very reputable, the tech there has been wrenching over 20+ years at least. But they want dealer shop rates which are high compared to GT in Lakewood.

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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2016, 08:39:38 pm »
sooooo.....
my posting is coming from a Mechanical Engineer, that has worked on bikes for over 40 years, both as a hobby, and as a mechanic in my younger days, while moonlighting to fund my racing career..
the flat rate shops charge will vary due to honest quote specialists, meaning, one shop may quote a $500 service comprising of valve inspection, adjust, air filter, throttle body synch, oil change, spark plugs, etc... plus parts.
Another adjacent shop may just total each individual service, so they don't discount the fact that once the plastic is off, the remaining service flat rate for EACH service have already been met...
Flat rate for:
an air filter? maybe 1.5 hr
Plugs, ? maybe 2 hr
TB synch? maybe 2.5 hr
Oil change? 1 hr

this gets stacked on top of the flat rate for a valve "check" ( not service, just CHECK")

but in reality the above services are pretty much a 1 hour job,( short of the valve clearance inspection) when the plastic is all off, and the bike is nekid.. Now add them all up at $90+ an hour, and you see where it's coming from.

Truely all those services done on a bike, when done in succession, add only an hour or so onto the quoted price for a complete valve clearance and adjust service, which by Kaw's flat rate, is approx 6 Hours @ $90 to $115 an hour.  If they have a clue on the actual process... or have ever done one. When The C14 came out, there was no service tech time established, they went on what was the hours / costs for a ZX1400, which requires the engine mounts to be loosened, and the engine rotated on it's pivot, down and forwards... that was a high price service.. not many people had it done.
Then, they came Out with the C14, and never changed the book for 2 years on "tech Time".

I've talked a few times with Kaw dealers here In Ohio, about there depth of experience in doing tech on C14's, and even today, find them lacking in experience.. double edged sword, cost will kill ya, and so will mistakes... I do my own, always did.. only thing a dealer can do is supply service covered by a fault of the factory, so that if that fails, they HAVE to cover it... I've tought a few service techs a thing or 2 about doing service on C14's, they atually called me in about issues, and instructive tech on doing valves, when I lived in Va.
I gladly assisted, and have made some lifelong bonds with some dealerships as a tech advisor, something they could not get from the factory.


here is my take.
I'm gonna do this in bold, because I cannot stress this enough...

IF YOU TAKE YOUR BIKE IN FOR A VALVE INSPECTION, AND SUPPOSED ADJUST, YOU MUST DEMAND A VALVE CLEARANCE MAP OF EACH CYLINDER, CLEARANCE BEFORE AND AFTER, SHIMS BEFORE AND AFTER, FULLY DOCUMENTED FOR YOUR FUTURE SERVICE TO GIVE A START POINT AND EXISTING CLEARANCES.

without these figures, your service interval is moot, and you will ALWAYS need to have it done from square one, every time.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2016, 09:07:05 pm »
I forgot to mention I usually take all the plastics off before going the Gixxertek and usually trailer my bikes to him.

Okay - call off the priests and other church approved miracle researchers.  A nekkid bike takes far less time to do the above than a 'clothed' bike would.
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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2016, 09:18:30 pm »
23 minutes... to nekid bike status.
bill me for an hour?
oh, that includes beverage imbibing.

if I was not imbibing, prolly about 17 minutes.
but I'm a trained professional, wearing protective clothing, and using POWERTOOL's :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2016, 03:22:13 pm »

I am waiting till 25K or even maybe 30K before I take the C14 in. My choice.


Me too.

That's what I did, too. I had them do the valves, plugs, air filter, and brake and clutch fluid and it totaled $489.00 parts and labor.

Less than $500 for all that - and a valve job? Did you confirm they went all the way in and measured the valve clearances? Were there any that were out of spec and required adjusting?  If so - someone better call the catholic church - I think we have a miracle on our hands!
Hell - for that price, I would have ridden my bike to where ever this was completed.

Confirm how? They had the bike for 2 or 3 days so it's not like I could stand around and watch. I trust them. I was told that most of the valves were out of spec, and from the way it ran when I got it back it was an obvious improvement.  :motonoises:

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Re: 15,000 mile service cost
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2016, 05:50:50 pm »
Hey, I have a question about this. Isn't the 15,000 valve adjustment referenced here only due on California models only, all others are due at 26,000 miles?  I have a 2008 Service Manual, CA due 15k, Other than US, CA Model 26k, has this interval changed in later revisions?
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