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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2019, 03:36:40 pm »
Update on the question; "16ah series battery, Will it fit a C-14"...…

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-High-Performance-Factory-Activated-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/352445771786?epid=209955446&hash=item520f67b00a:g:MAYAAOSwZSpdEl4q

I installed a Yuasa GYZ16H Battery in my bike yesterday.
Size wise, it fit perfectly.
I did have to cut 2 notches in the battery cover to fit the more powerful battery.
   But EZ to do.  :great:
           Heck,,, I think even MOB could probably (err) maybe do the install..  :nananana:

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Any photos of the mods you had to make?

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2019, 09:55:30 pm »
No, I didn't think to take photo's.   But you will need to do a very simple mod to the battery cover.

Look at the images of the GYZ16H Battery and compare with the OEM battery.
That comparison makes it EZ to understand why it's done.
The locating tabs** on the 16 series battery are closer together than the OEM battery.
* Plastic locating ridges near the battery posts..
The battery cover has to be grooved to allow those tabs to pass thru it.

16 series;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-High-Performance-Factory-Activated-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/352445771786?epid=209955446&hash=item520f67b00a:g:MAYAAOSwZSpdEl4q

Stock 14 series:
 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-YTX14-BS-Kawasaki-ZG1400-Concours-ABS-08-13-AGM-12-Volt-Battery/132766453161?epid=171264457&hash=item1ee97f4da9:g:OEwAAOSwXTVcVMQ~

Turn the cover over and look inside.
Under the top of the battery cover there is a piece of rubber attached.
At both  end's of the rubber, grind a 3/8" wide groove.
 Your cut will go across the flat and up the back {about 1/2" high) of the "pocket" in that battery cover..
   Looking from the end, that pocket section of the cover looks like an "L".
   Cut across the foot of the "L" and 1/2" up the side...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Concours-14-ZG1400-2012-Upper-Battery-Case-Cover-2010-2017/122891937470?epid=1130897345&hash=item1c9cee26be:g:qiIAAOSwmOJaSur3:sc:USPSFirstClass!77067!US!-1

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2019, 11:35:14 pm »
My battery has never failed in a snow storm....it did fail after riding at 105 degrees for 300 miles and it was only 4 years old....I will never run a battery for more than 3 years now. They work great until they don't and heat kills. It's just not worth being out in the middle of nowhere and taking a chance just to save a few bucks on a battery that could fail.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2019, 12:24:56 pm »
Hey Ted:

On the modification on the GYZ16H Battery.....

Is it safe to assume that one needs to simply "carve" a 3/8" channel between the negative and positive terminals, to run the negative lead out of the "box" and out to the grounding point?

Just want to be clear that those ARE the two tabs needing modification, and that they can be cut into (are they solid?) without damaging the battery case.

Note the attached picture.  Red line indicates the negative lead, and yellow circled tabs are the ones to be "modified".

Thanks.

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2019, 01:20:42 pm »
"NO"... Do not modify the battery. Clearance for the negative cable is not a problem.
              The neg cable will fit exactly where it did originally.
NOTE: I can see the confusion, so I changed the wording on my original post.

Explanation; You need to cut holes/grove's thru the battery "cover" to allow it to set in place on the new battery.
                   (The locating tabs on the GYZ16H battery are closer together than the locating tabs on the OEM battery).

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Concours-14-ZG1400-2012-Upper-Battery-Case-Cover-2010-2017/122891937470?epid=1130897345&hash=item1c9cee26be:g:qiIAAOSwmOJaSur3:sc:USPSFirstClass!77067!US!-1

Above is a C-14 "Upper-Battery-Case-Cover".
In the 2nd and 3rd image's you see a pocket.
That pocket fits between the tabs on the OEM battery.
The cuts/grooves must be cut in the bottom and back of that pocket to allow room for the locating tabs {of the GYZ16H battery} to pass thru.

More detail; In the 4th image, the hold down cover is upside down.
                  You can see a {approx. (1" x 3") piece of rubber glued to the bottom of the pocket.
                     The grooves are cut thru the battery cover at the ends of the rubber.

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2019, 04:02:34 pm »
Got it!

Thanks for clearing that up, Ted.  :great:

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2019, 03:27:59 pm »
Humor aside. The battery will fit. The power from that battery is the exact match, tho it will not fit my OEM battery box adapter, which is nothing more than an adapter to make it fit snug.

IF I had to, right now, I could make the replacement battery fit (I measured the availble space without the adapter) just by adding the right amount of high density foam. I'd set the OEM adapter aside in case I was to find a battery that would fit it.

There is nothing magical about the OEM battery box adapter.
I disagree. If by box adapter you mean, COVER,BATTERY,UPP, that is a safety device that should not be removed.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2019, 07:21:20 pm »
in lieu of modifying any battery "cover" on the newer models,
you can obtain the OEM cover from an older model, tat will alleviate the issue, as it isn't "form fit" between the posts; i.e. it is wide open, and has an angular top surface..
the part number is 14091-0533, and can be seen on the kaw microfiche for the '08-'09 models..
(also used on all ZX14's from '06 thru '19)

its $22

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #58 on: November 26, 2019, 09:34:41 pm »
I have noticed that this high performance battery seems pretty strong. Every other battery I have used,  probably 8 or 9 so far, would briefly drop to high 12 plus (12.7-12.8) after startup and then go to 14.+ This one has not dropped below 13 volts and today to 14.0

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2020, 12:17:09 pm »
Hi, If you want to fit a battery that is 16Ah & don’t mind a wet cell type lead acid, then a Yuasa “YB16B-A” is a snug fit. (It’s also Cheaper) You will have to remove the battery metal holder & rubber Band. I’m not sure if it’s held in with one or two bolts. I’m sure the main box was designed for this battery, before someone in Kawasaki said lets mess thing up. I fitted this battery over 3 years ago. No cutting drilling or anything else. If you decide later on that you want to revert to original. Not a problem just refit the U shaped battery bracket. (Now where did I put it?)

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2020, 07:08:04 pm »
While looking at my old posts, I found an error...
Apparently Yuasa makes 2 different batteries that have a similar number.
The one I installed was the GYZ-16H.

Now, when I look at my old posts, they link another battery at that location and called it the GYZ-16H.
But, it's a Yuasa High performance battery, YUAM716GH.
The YUAM716GH battery is Lead Acid, and the battery terminal polarity is reversed.
This is what they show and it is wrong!!!
https://www.ebay.com/p/209955446?iid=352445771786


Be vary careful to get the correct battery.
Below is a GYZ-16H..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2020, 07:58:10 pm »
I just changed the battery and used a Motobatt MBYZ16HD Battery.  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C6GWMVK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

They say it is 16.5 AH and a CCA of 240. Two things I like beside the capacity are that the late model battery cover fits with no modification (fits pretty tight) and the connection terminal pieces allowed me to mount the main positive cable by itself on top and my auxiliary power leads to the side. I stuck a charger on it and it was fully charged out of the box, wouldn't take any more. The bike showed 12.4 volts when the ignition switch was turned on. Engine spun fast and started immediately. Hopefully, I won't have to worry about the battery for several years.

Ted, thanks for the battery dimensions in the early posts. (Even if you did try to lead me astray this morning...)

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2020, 12:29:51 am »
Thanks for the update Ted, and MtnRider.

Looks like two good choices here as I may need a replacement soon.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2020, 07:39:06 am »
I've been using a Motobatt for 3 years now on the C14 and am on my 2nd one for the C10 (the first lasted 8 years).
I love the 4 terminals as it makes it so much simpler to fit my accessory fuse-box cable.
They seem to be well made and the C10 one survived lying on it's side for well over 2 hours following my wreck in June 2017.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2020, 03:15:43 pm »
IBAJIM, that's a good price.
But, am I missing something?
  The add you posted says it is a AGM battery, but the battery in the picture is a Lead Acid Battery. {??}
      ie; Lead Acid is noted on the front of the battery.

But, It may well be an 14 series AGM battery, just the wrong picture.

Ride safe, Ted

PS: You got me looking and I found another {14 series AGM} for $45.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sealed-AGM-Battery-for-Honda-UTV-Utility-Vehicle-MUV700-Big-Red-700-NEW/172830771833?fits=Model%3AConcours+14%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=4017845612&hash=item283d844a79:g:GzgAAOSw-4BXbC9D

Side Note: The batteries that we have been discussing are 16 series batteries, because they have more CCA than a 14 series.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2020, 05:00:01 pm »
IBAJIM, that's a good price.
But, am I missing something?
  The add you posted says it is a AGM battery, but the battery in the picture is a Lead Acid Battery. {??}
      ie; Lead Acid is noted on the front of the battery.

But, It may well be an 14 series AGM battery, just the wrong picture.

Ride safe, Ted

PS: You got me looking and I found another {14 series} for $45.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sealed-AGM-Battery-for-Honda-UTV-Utility-Vehicle-MUV700-Big-Red-700-NEW/172830771833?fits=Model%3AConcours+14%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=4017845612&hash=item283d844a79:g:GzgAAOSw-4BXbC9D

Side Note: The batteries that we have been discussing are 16 series batteries, because they have more CCA.

An AGM battery is a lead acid battery. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/absorbent_glass_mat_agm

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #67 on: April 24, 2020, 06:09:20 pm »
An AGM battery is a lead acid battery. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/absorbent_glass_mat_agm

Strange comment from the above link:

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Don’t use a lithium battery in a Harley, unless you like to sit beside the road waiting for help!

My comment is that my local dealer parts guy says the AGM is just a higher quality battery.
I like the fact that it is sealed.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2020, 06:45:18 pm »
It's an inch too long so the battery side cover wouldn't fit on the bike. Ted has dimensions in post #45 of this thread.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2020, 11:12:19 pm »
IBAJIM, that's a good price.
But, am I missing something?
  The add you posted says it is a AGM battery, but the battery in the picture is a Lead Acid Battery. {??}
      ie; Lead Acid is noted on the front of the battery.

But, It may well be an 14 series AGM battery, just the wrong picture.

Ride safe, Ted

PS: You got me looking and I found another {14 series AGM} for $45.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sealed-AGM-Battery-for-Honda-UTV-Utility-Vehicle-MUV700-Big-Red-700-NEW/172830771833?fits=Model%3AConcours+14%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=4017845612&hash=item283d844a79:g:GzgAAOSw-4BXbC9D

Side Note: The batteries that we have been discussing are 16 series batteries, because they have more CCA than a 14 series.

Ted:

Yup, I understood the thread was about using a 16AH battery instead of the standard 14AH battery.   I just wanted to make the point you can get the standard sized battery ( in AGM construction ) for a lot less than the prices shown in the posts before mine.

And BTW, an AGM ( activated glass mat ) battery is a lead-acid battery - same chemistry, but no liquid electrolyte so an AGM battery is sealed.

I have been told and read several reputable places online that an AGM battery in the same size as a standard lead-acid battery has a bit more cranking amps.  So, I would say installing a 14AH  AGM battery is a "upgrade" compared to the OEM battery.   Personally, doing that would be a good enough of an upgrade for me.  I'be been using AGM batteries in my bikes for the last 7 years and the 14AH AGM battery in my Concours performs just fine, IMHO.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2020, 08:31:52 pm »
An AGM battery is a lead acid battery. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/absorbent_glass_mat_agm

Strange comment from the above link:


How so? I was answering this comment: [/quote] The add you posted says it is a AGM battery, but the battery in the picture is a Lead Acid Battery. {??}
      ie; Lead Acid is noted on the front of the battery.[/quote]

And an absorbent glass mat battery is a lead acid battery.  The link I provided simply explained AGM battery technology.

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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2020, 08:48:02 pm »
An AGM battery is a lead acid battery. https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/absorbent_glass_mat_agm

Strange comment from the above link:

How so? I was answering this comment:
The add you posted says it is a AGM battery, but the battery in the picture is a Lead Acid Battery. {??}
      ie; Lead Acid is noted on the front of the battery.
And an absorbent glass mat battery is a lead acid battery.  The link I provided simply explained AGM battery technology.

I have confused you. Sorry.

When you read the comments below the AGM article, way down below the article in the comments section, there are a lot of comments about the Pros and Cons of the AGM battery. Then, suddenly, there is a comment about a lithium battery which has nothing to do about the AGM technology. Someone made a comment about lithium batteries and the Harley motorcycle. I just thought it was odd.
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2020, 01:56:18 pm »
It's an inch too long so the battery side cover wouldn't fit on the bike. Ted has dimensions in post #45 of this thread.

The battery in your link above shows a length of 7.1"

The battery in my link shows 6.88".  What am I missing?
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Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2020, 02:27:54 pm »
Note that in the linked page it states "Packaging dimensions". If Amazon doesn't have the actual product dimensions they will include the dimension of the box the product is in or shipping box dimensions. Kind of by accident I found the actual dimensions of the Motobatt elsewhere on the web.
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