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Title: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 17, 2019, 07:17:11 pm
Was looking at Yuasa batteries and came across a 16ah series.
I seem to recall that someone discovered them previously and used one?

They are the same dimensionally, unsure of weight, but higher Ah and CCA.
Battery post locations are correct.
Are shown to fit our bikes.

Are they a equal or better replacement battery?
If yes, why wouldn't Kawasaki have used them originally?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress)!77067!US!-1

Ride safe, Ted

NOTE: I posted this listing as it included dimensions. It is priced at $102.
           Other listings had them priced for as little as $89.
           

Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Chuck on April 17, 2019, 11:08:09 pm
Note the two tabs between the posts. They are closer together than the stock battery.

While the overall dimensions are right, some creative dremel use may be required on the plastic cover that goes on top of the battery.

Stock battery for comparison
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/yuasa-ytx14-bs-agm-battery (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/yuasa-ytx14-bs-agm-battery)

Chuck
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: robertv on April 17, 2019, 11:35:43 pm
When I was researching my current Yuasa battery information, both the GYZ16H and YTX14H-BS will work in our C14s according to Yuasa's form search. Go with what you trust and low price.

Link here from Yuasa's site => https://www.yuasabatteries.com/batteries/search-results/?vehicle_type=motorcycle&vehicle_make=kawasaki&vehicle_year=2008&vehicle_model=zg1400-concours-abs (https://www.yuasabatteries.com/batteries/search-results/?vehicle_type=motorcycle&vehicle_make=kawasaki&vehicle_year=2008&vehicle_model=zg1400-concours-abs)
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 17, 2019, 11:45:19 pm
Was looking at Yuasa batteries and came across a 16ah series.
I seem to recall that someone discovered them previously and used one?

They are the same dimensionally, unsure of weight, but higher Ah and CCA.
Batter post locations are correct.
Are shown to fit our bikes.

Are they a equal or better replacement battery?
If yes, why wouldn't Kawasaki have used them originally?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress)!77067!US!-1

Ride safe, Ted

NOTE: I posted this listing as it included dimensions. It is priced at $102.
           Other listings had them priced for as little as $89.
         

seams to be a viable candidate... price considered. and is noted as fit for application...
I'd do one...

I wish Odyssey made one in the correct "package", I'm sure they would be able to give ya 20ah, in that space, and a long term warranty...

I think they re thought the "missing link" in the market place, when they discontinued the one that was OEM, and now you see the outcome... great on all fronts tho now.. but It is a Yuasa.. so... JUMP on it bro...
heck, grab the lowest price unit you can find.. this one is like $5 more than the puny Excide i bought last year...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-YUAM716GH-GYZ-Series-Battery/323506091525?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3Db7c4eb6a3ee748ad9ca70ece3e4906e4%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D283349407890%26itm%3D323506091525&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-YUAM716GH-GYZ-Series-Battery/323506091525?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3Db7c4eb6a3ee748ad9ca70ece3e4906e4%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D283349407890%26itm%3D323506091525&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1)


as for the comment about the case, and modifying it... I don't get that part, it will fit perfectly just like the OEM... I guess some folks never looked at the battery in the bike.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Chuck on April 18, 2019, 12:14:40 am
as for the comment about the case, and modifying it... I don't get that part, it will fit perfectly just like the OEM... I guess some folks never looked at the battery in the bike.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

It will fit in the compartment without a doubt. I was referring to the plastic holder that clips around the battery before sliding it into the compartment. The top half that kind-of guides the negative cable would bump into the narrower tabs on the battery. You would have to dremel that top plastic part,  part #14092 on the attached image.

Chuck
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 18, 2019, 01:01:57 am
as for the comment about the case, and modifying it... I don't get that part, it will fit perfectly just like the OEM... I guess some folks never looked at the battery in the bike.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

It will fit in the compartment without a doubt. I was referring to the plastic holder that clips around the battery before sliding it into the compartment. The top half that kind-of guides the negative cable would bump into the narrower tabs on the battery. You would have to dremel that top plastic part,  part #14092 on the attached image.

Chuck
I suggest you actually remove your battery, and examine just how it fits in, with the cables, and the shroud.

please.

 :-X :-[ :-[
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Chuck on April 18, 2019, 01:22:25 am
I suggest you actually remove your battery, and examine just how it fits in, with the cables, and the shroud.

please.

 :-X :-[ :-[

First pic is the battery in the 2016 C14 shroud. Note the form fitting top part.

The second pic is a comparison of the battery and shroud side by side. There is no room for the narrower tabs on the GYZ16H battery.

Also, quotes from C14 owners in Revzilla reviews for the GYZ16H:

Fits a 2011 Kaw C14 (with some work)
"When installing the battery, I came to find that the top of the battery box would not fit. Luckily for me I had a dremel tool with a grinding wheel and had to cut out a section to clear the ribs on the top of the battery. Did it work? Yes. Should I have had to do this? NO!"

Does not Kawasaki 2012 C14 battery box
"Kawasaki uses a weird battery box (instead of a simple strap) and the Yuasa is not shaped exactly like the stock battery. No amount of cussing helped but it's impossible to clip both sides of the battery box top."

Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to impart.

Chuck
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: CRocker on April 18, 2019, 04:03:08 am
Ted,

Since Kawasaki specs out for production costs...and uses...Furukawa batteries...that could be the reason they didn't use the Yuasa.  Furukawa, while being owned by Yuasa, doesn't necessarily produce the same size and power battery as others.  I can't find when the GYZ battery began production, but, it could not have been available yet...so, Kawasaki didn't cost-spec it for production purposes in a bike as old as the Concours 1400 is.  Manufacturers sign contracts with companies that supply products...it makes sense that they wouldn't pick a battery from another source.

The battery you mention is an aftermarket substitute...and...it works for your bike...it's just not the OEM...which could have been for any number of reasons...

HTH...

Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 18, 2019, 06:48:55 pm
I suggest you actually remove your battery, and examine just how it fits in, with the cables, and the shroud.

please.

 :-X :-[ :-[

First pic is the battery in the 2016 C14 shroud. Note the form fitting top part.

The second pic is a comparison of the battery and shroud side by side. There is no room for the narrower tabs on the GYZ16H battery.

Also, quotes from C14 owners in Revzilla reviews for the GYZ16H:

Fits a 2011 Kaw C14 (with some work)
"When installing the battery, I came to find that the top of the battery box would not fit. Luckily for me I had a dremel tool with a grinding wheel and had to cut out a section to clear the ribs on the top of the battery. Did it work? Yes. Should I have had to do this? NO!"

Does not Kawasaki 2012 C14 battery box
"Kawasaki uses a weird battery box (instead of a simple strap) and the Yuasa is not shaped exactly like the stock battery. No amount of cussing helped but it's impossible to clip both sides of the battery box top."

Hope that helps clear up what I was trying to impart.

Chuck

OK, I get what you are saying now.... my mistake...
that shroud changed in 2010, and is carried thru to current production....

Not really a big deal tho, the '08-'10 "cover" is still available, and does not have that "depression" you show....
I questioned this as I have my batt on the bench, and shroud...2008 model....
and that shroud will fit the "new" battery with no issue...
anyway, for reference:

2008
14091-0533  COVER,BATTERY,UPP
$23 from Ron Ayers....

26012-1409  BATTERY,FTZ14-BS,12V 14AH

2011
14092-0034  COVER,BATTERY,UPP
26012-1409  BATTERY,FTZ14-BS,12V 14AH

2018
26012-0595  BATTERY,FTZ14-BS,12V 14AH

no idea why they changed that shroud, but as I have noted in the past, that was the point in time where they were having issues with the OEM Furokawa batteries, not having a good seal around the terminals, and "gassing" out thru them, causing corrosion...
as seen below...

or maybe it was to "prevent/make more difficult" routing the cables improperly (I've seen a couple '08-'09's with the neg cable running across the front, right over the positive one) and thru that "tunnel" they provide for it.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 18, 2019, 08:18:32 pm
contacted Revzilla, and posted a "review" stating the need for the different shroud, and also did a "chat" with customer service about the same thing... and told them to "revise" the application list...  :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Not that I would pay the price they ask, or trust them to send me a battery that wasn't dropped on the ground, kicked, booted, and tumbled at that...  but just did it to keep people from paying big $ and getting shafted.

I deal with other battery companies, like Battery Mart, and they always deliver goods well protected, and almost overnight.. for great prices.. no complaints on them from me.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 18, 2019, 08:57:33 pm
I checked on the Forum as I thought I had seen this before.
Turned out that I was right.
  I was in the first discussion asking the same question in 2017 after TicTac installed one of these.

My bike occasionally sounds like it's cranking slow. Has been doing this for some time.
ie: Was doing it when I had the first discussion in 2017.  :truce:
  {Yes, I have gone back and checked the connections}

Was going to order a battery, but I decided to check the battery first. {Its 12.47 volts after setting a week}..
Will check again in a few days...
  {Yes, I know what's "probably" going to happen if I don't order the battery}

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 18, 2019, 10:53:59 pm
I have both of my Exides on the bench, slipped up and fell asleep and let the one I pulled outta the bike, that had like 4v on it, and it sat overnight @ a 2 Amp, manual charge... its fine now, was worried, it's sitting @13.2V, and the other one is sitting at 13.4V, after sitting.. so both are good...

I kinda freaked out when I realized I was "cooking" the newest batt (the other one was 2 years old, but when it didn't respond last year in preliminary "charge" attempts, I bought the new one... ) go figure, but I have 2 perfect batt's, and no excuses... if you want that new batt, buy it, and find an '08-'09 batt shroud, ebay, etc.... all is good.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Nighthawk on April 26, 2019, 03:39:16 am
I've had that battery in my bike (2012) for about 3 years I think. The top plastic battery cover needs to be modified so it will snap into place on the bottom. I used dremel tool & xacto knife. Trial  & error for till it fits... Battery works great.
Mark in CT
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Conrad on April 26, 2019, 12:35:43 pm
Was looking at Yuasa batteries and came across a 16ah series.
I seem to recall that someone discovered them previously and used one?

They are the same dimensionally, unsure of weight, but higher Ah and CCA.
Battery post locations are correct.
Are shown to fit our bikes.

Are they a equal or better replacement battery?
If yes, why wouldn't Kawasaki have used them originally?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress)!77067!US!-1

Ride safe, Ted

NOTE: I posted this listing as it included dimensions. It is priced at $102.
           Other listings had them priced for as little as $89.
         

FYI, this is the one that I bought and it's a perfect fit. Not only that but because it has two positive and two negative terminals it makes connecting extra stuff so much easier.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YMRH70/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YMRH70/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 26, 2019, 02:16:58 pm
Conrad, you posted a MotoBatt MBTX12U ? Our bikes use a 14 series Yuasa battery...
I believe what your saying about fit.
So, I'm assuming the dimensions that are posted in the add are wrong.
  With their dimensions, it has no chance of fitting into our bikes.
  Stock; 6 x 3.4 x 5.75    Theirs; 5.9 x 10.5 x 5.1 inches   
   (ie; They show it to be 10 1/2" wide)  (also don't show cranking amps)  :-[
NOTE: My 2014 Battery cover might have to be replaced by an older style battery Cover to make it work on my bike?
             {Cover info is posted earlier in this discussion by MOB}.

I like the Motobatt design (4 posts/more cranking amps than others)
So, I looked it up in the 14 & 16 series version.

They don't offer a 14 series, so you are correct in your selection.

The Motobatt 16 series looked to be a better fit but they show it to be 5/8" taller than ours or the 16 series Yuasa.
(So, it wouldn't fit in the bike)   Arghhh
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YMRH70/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&p;sc=1&pldnSite=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YMRH70/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&p;sc=1&pldnSite=1)

Ride safe, Ted

PS: (1 week since previous measurement) My battery is now showing 12.40 volts.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 26, 2019, 06:14:25 pm
Conrad, you posted a MotoBatt MBTX12U ? Our bikes use a 14 series Yuasa battery...
I believe what your saying about fit.
So, I'm assuming the dimensions thaty are posted in the add must be wrong.
  They are showing it has no chance of fitting into our bikes.
  Stock; 6 x 3.4 x 5.75    Theirs; 5.9 x 10.5 x 5.1 inches   
   (ie; They show it to be 10 1/2" wide)  (also don't show cranking amps)  :-[


 :??: :??:

https://www.batterymart.com/p-mbtx12u-motobatt-agm-battery.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgMvJnLru4QIVBcRkCh3RZA0VEAQYASABEgJqsfD_BwE (https://www.batterymart.com/p-mbtx12u-motobatt-agm-battery.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgMvJnLru4QIVBcRkCh3RZA0VEAQYASABEgJqsfD_BwE)


Product Specifications for Motobatt MBTX12U 12V 14Ah AGM Battery

SPECIFICATIONS:
BM Part #:   BM-MBTX12U
Voltage:   12 Volt
Capacity:   14 Ah
Type:   AGM
Length:   5.94"
Width:   3.43"
Height:   5.12"
Cold Cranking Amps:   200 CCA
Shipping Weight:   11.00Lbs
Warranty:   1 Year
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 26, 2019, 09:06:05 pm
Thanks MOB. Didn't look in other sources.     :-[
Now, if I can put it all together for a comparoooo…

Motobatt 14Ah AGM Battery                    Yuasa 16Ah AGM Battery       Stock/ Yuasa 12Ah AGM Battery

SPECIFICATIONS:
BM Part #:   BM-MBTX12U                              GYZ16H                              YTX14-BS
Voltage:          12 Volt                                    12 Volt                                 12 Volt
Capacity:          14 Ah                                    16 Ah                                   12 Ah
Type:                 AGM                                     AGM                                     AGM
Length:              5.94"                                    6.0"                                      6.0"
Width:               3.43"                                     3.4"                                      3.4"
Height:              5.12"                                     5.75"                                   5.75"
Cld Crk Amps:    200 CCA                                240 CCA                               200 CCA
Shipping Wt:       11.00Lbs                              12.4 lb.                                  8.1 lb.
Price;                  $82.86                                $89.95                                  $76.69

NOTE: These prices are for reference only. I found that price's vary an incredible amount.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: RUFFSTUFF on April 27, 2019, 01:41:05 am
Thanks for the information in this thread.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 27, 2019, 01:49:10 am
Thanks MOB. Didn't look in other sources.     :-[
Now, if I can put it all together for a comparoooo…

Motobatt 14Ah AGM Battery                    Yuasa 16Ah AGM Battery       Stock/ Yuasa 12Ah AGM Battery

SPECIFICATIONS:
BM Part #:   BM-MBTX12U                              GYZ16H                              YTX14-BS
Voltage:          12 Volt                                    12 Volt                                 12 Volt
Capacity:          14 Ah                                    16 Ah                                   12 Ah
Type:                 AGM                                     AGM                                     AGM
Length:              5.94"                                    6.0"                                      6.0"
Width:               3.43"                                     3.4"                                      3.4"
Height:              5.12"                                     5.75"                                   5.75"
Cld Crk Amps:    200 CCA                                240 CCA                               200 CCA
Shipping Wt:       11.00Lbs                              12.4 lb.                                  8.1 lb.
Price;                  $82.86                                $89.95                                  $76.69

NOTE: These prices are for reference only. I found that price's vary an incredible amount.

Ride safe, Ted

Based on Ted's info, the Yuasa 16Ah AGM Battery computes to a lower $5.62/Ah and a higher CCA. I'd get the Yuasa for my dollars.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Conrad on April 27, 2019, 01:11:25 pm
Conrad, you posted a MotoBatt MBTX12U ? Our bikes use a 14 series Yuasa battery...
I believe what your saying about fit.
So, I'm assuming the dimensions that are posted in the add are wrong.
  With their dimensions, it has no chance of fitting into our bikes.
  Stock; 6 x 3.4 x 5.75    Theirs; 5.9 x 10.5 x 5.1 inches   
   (ie; They show it to be 10 1/2" wide)  (also don't show cranking amps)  :-[
NOTE: My 2014 Battery cover would have to be replaced by an older style battery Cover to make it work on my bike.
             {Cover info is posted earlier in this discussion by MOB}.

I like the Motobatt design (4 posts/more cranking amps than others)
So, I looked it up in the 14 & 16 series version.

They don't offer a 14 series, so you are correct in your selection.

The Motobatt 16 series looked to be a better fit but they show it to be 5/8" taller than ours or the 16 series Yuasa.
(So, it wouldn't fit in the bike)   Arghhh
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YMRH70/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&p;sc=1&pldnSite=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003YMRH70/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&p;sc=1&pldnSite=1)

Ride safe, Ted

PS: (1 week since previous measurement) My battery is now showing 12.40 volts.

Sorry, I never noticed that number for the width of the Motobatt. As you're already guessed, that number is incorrect. As I said, it's a prefect fit in my bike and the four terminals make connecting accessories easier. I've been using this battery since 11/2015 without any issues.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 27, 2019, 02:59:57 pm
Thanks Conrad.
Seeing that Harry agreed with me, I became very concerned.  :-\
                                                    but I liked his reasoning  :-[ and set out to see if I could find other batteries for less $$.
My target was to find CCA greater than 200 with a lower cost...  >:D

Does anybody have a solution??  <grin>  :104:

#1 If I keep 200 ah, lower cost is EZ to find by buying other than Yuasa/Motobatt.  :great:
#2 Yuasa/others make a High performance version (greater CCA) of the stock YTX14-BS battery, but it won't fit our bikes.  :-[
#3 Other battery manufacturers make a 16 series battery {similar to the Yuasa GYZ16H} but all are too tall to fit in our bikes.  :-[
        {The only 16 series I've found, that fits in our bikes,, is the Yuasa GYZ16H}
#4 I came across Lithium batteries. Used in snow-mobile's. Huge CCA, but low ah(?). Extremely light/small.  High $$!
       I am not considering one but (for the guys that like lighter) would they work?

https://www.batterymart.com/p-etz14c-earthx-lithium-battery.html (https://www.batterymart.com/p-etz14c-earthx-lithium-battery.html)


Motobatt 14Ah AGM Battery   Yuasa 16Ah AGM Battery  EarthX 6.8Ah Lithium Battery  Stock/ Yuasa 12Ah AGM Battery

SPECIFICATIONS:
 Part #:      BM-MBTX12U               GYZ16H                             ETZ14C                             YTX14-BS
Voltage:          12 Volt                     12 Volt                             13.2 Volt                              12 Volt
Capacity:          14 Ah                     16 Ah                                6.8 Ah                                12 Ah
Type:                 AGM                      AGM                         Lithium LiFePO4                           AGM
Length:              5.94"                     6.0"                                  5.9"                                    6.0"
Width:               3.43"                     3.4"                                   3.4"                                   3.4"
Height:              5.12"                     5.75"                                 4.5"                                   5.75"
Cld Crk Amps:    200 CCA                240 CCA                   330 CCA / 690 PCA                   200 CCA
Shipping Wt:       11.00 lb.              12.4 lb.                               2.8 lb.                                 8.1 lb.
Price;                  $82.86               $89.95                            $249.00                                 $76.69

NOTE: These prices are for reference. I found that price's vary an incredible amount.
           
Ride safe, Ted

PS: Retired, smoking some meat today, and playing as it smokes...  :D
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 27, 2019, 03:21:54 pm
#4 I came across Lithium batteries. Used in snow-mobile's. Huge CCA, but low ah(?). Extremely light/small.  High $$!
       I am not considering one but (for the guys that like lighter) would they work?

I think that would be worth the hunt. Lighter is a good thing. CCA trumps Ah in my opinion.

We mostly use our batteries to start the fun. The alternator does the rest unless you are loading down the system with too many electric farkles.
If snow mobilers are using Lithium batteries I see no reason why we cannot. They use electrics just as much as we do to operate heaters and radios too.
They want to be lite so they can glide over soft snow.

We want to be lite so when we drop our bikes, we can get them back up. Helps MPG too for them spirited rides in the twisties.

I think Ted is on to something here if he can stay focused and lay off the paste.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 27, 2019, 03:35:45 pm
Ted,

My battery says 14.7 Ah (20HR), 230 CCA, I would be looking for the smallest Lithium batt that would match or exceed 230 CCA at 12 volts.  :great:
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 27, 2019, 03:56:45 pm
My battery says 14.7 Ah (20HR), 230 CCA

What battery do you have? Sounds ideal if lower cost?
NOTE: I'm not sure that loosing 8-10 lbs is worth an extra $100? {ie; I'm a frugal Cogger}
                 Was trying to use your $$ per Ah {or CCA} calcualtion,   and CCA above 200...

Ride safe, Ted

PS: Liked the 330 CCA, but {living in Houston} I seldom have to crank the bike in a snow storm..  :nananana:

Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 27, 2019, 04:27:16 pm
My battery says 14.7 Ah (20HR), 230 CCA

What battery do you have? Sounds ideal if lower cost?
NOTE: I'm not sure that loosing 8-10 lbs is worth an extra $100? {ie; I'm a frugal Cogger}
                 Was trying to use your $$ per Ah {or CCA} calcualtion,   and CCA above 200...

Ride safe, Ted

PS: Liked the 330 CCA, but {living in Houston} I seldom have to crank the bike in a snow storm..  :nananana:

Stock OEM battery, still alive in my C14
Correction: 230 CCA
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 27, 2019, 09:00:52 pm
Me thinks the ETZ14C  would be a waste of money. At over 13V and 330 CCA, it would be a miss match for the load.

If I had to replace my battery now, I'd get this pig, an EXACT match.
https://www.batteriesplus.com/replacement/battery/kawasaki/ftz14bs/cyla16bsxta (https://www.batteriesplus.com/replacement/battery/kawasaki/ftz14bs/cyla16bsxta)

(https://www.batteriesplus.com/content/images/product/large/32750.jpg)
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 27, 2019, 10:02:28 pm
again, that one is a 16BS form factor... the height is... well.. tall.....
and trying to jamb the OEM cover on it... well?

Weight: 12.05 lbs
Length: 5.938 in
Width: 3.438 in
Height: 6.375 in
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 27, 2019, 10:57:09 pm
Me thinks the ETZ14C  would be a waste of money. At over 13V and 330 CCA, it would be a miss match for the load.

If I had to replace my battery now, I'd get this pig, an EXACT match.
https://www.batteriesplus.com/replacement/battery/kawasaki/ftz14bs/cyla16bsxta (https://www.batteriesplus.com/replacement/battery/kawasaki/ftz14bs/cyla16bsxta)

Harry, I agree. The ETZ14C  would be a waste of money.
I just posted it as a way to cut weight, and really big CCA. {If anyone wants to go that way}

But, I think you missed something.
Start with; see my reply #20 / line #3.
It sez;  #3 Other battery manufacturers make a 16 series battery {similar to the Yuasa GYZ16H} but all are too tall to fit in our bikes. 

The 16 series battery you posted is 5/8" taller than the stock battery. 
   {ie; NOT an exact match}

I did the same thing when I was looking for 16 series at a lower cost.
The only 16 series that I found that fit's our bike is the Yuasa.
The battery you posted would be a REALLY tight fit, has lower CCA than the Yuasa GYZ16H,  and it costs more.

Your doing ok though. I still suspect there is something available that beats the Yuasa. Just haven't found it yet.
Enjoying the hunt......  :great:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 27, 2019, 10:57:44 pm
 :??: :??: :??: :??: :??: :??: :??: :??: :popcorn: :popcorn: :smiley_confused1: :confuse: :confuse: :hum: :hum:

didn't your first post, supply that?

I'm crazy.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 27, 2019, 11:06:43 pm
I said...If I had to buy one now. I have amazing hobby skills. It would be no problem for me to make an adapter to fit that puppy in there.

I WILL MAKE IT FIT ;D :D

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3orieUr6OlDOF5pIwE/giphy.gif)

No matter what MOB or Ted thinks.  >:D
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 27, 2019, 11:23:32 pm
https://youtu.be/NIWwemig1qg

 :)) :))
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 27, 2019, 11:38:35 pm
Humor aside. The battery will fit. The power from that battery is the exact match, tho it will not fit my OEM battery box adapter, which is nothing more than an adapter to make it fit snug.

IF I had to, right now, I could make the replacement battery fit (I measured the availble space without the adapter) just by adding the right amount of high density foam. I'd set the OEM adapter aside in case I was to find a battery that would fit it.

There is nothing magical about the OEM battery box adapter.
A custom adapter would easily work with any replacement battery that will fit inside the available space.  :)
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 28, 2019, 01:18:51 am
Was looking at Yuasa batteries and came across a 16ah series.
I seem to recall that someone discovered them previously and used one?

They are the same dimensionally, unsure of weight, but higher Ah and CCA.
Battery post locations are correct.
Are shown to fit our bikes.

Are they a equal or better replacement battery?
If yes, why wouldn't Kawasaki have used them originally?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-GYZ-High-Performance-Maintenance-Free-AGM-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/283349407890?fits=Year%3A2014%7CModel%3AConcours+14%7CSubmodel%3AZG1400C+ABS%7CMake%3AKawasaki&epid=209955446&hash=item41f8f0d892:g:R1UAAOSwEONcR55e:sc:ShippingMethodExpress)!77067!US!-1

Ride safe, Ted

NOTE: I posted this listing as it included dimensions. It is priced at $102.
           Other listings had them priced for as little as $89.
         

Ted, if the specs of this battery are correct, then the answer is YES, it will fit. It may not fit the OEM battery adapter, but with adequate padding, it will fit in the battery space provided. Sorry for not answering this sooner.  :-[
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 28, 2019, 01:40:21 am
I just noticed something...

Here's MOB image:
(http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/16ah-series-battery-will-it-fit-a-c-14/?action=dlattach;attach=56885;image)

Here's my 2015 C14 battery box. See the difference?
Are we talking apples and oranges here?

 :deadhorse:
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 28, 2019, 03:33:54 pm
Yes the batter box and outside cover changed about 2011..

I hadn't thought of removing the top of the battery box and installing foam.
Would prolly work, but seems better to just buy the Yuasa GYZ16H..

Stock fit, more CCA, more Ah, and less $$...

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 28, 2019, 07:59:57 pm
I just noticed something...

Here's MOB image:
([url]http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/16ah-series-battery-will-it-fit-a-c-14/?action=dlattach;attach=56885;image[/url])

Here's my 2015 C14 battery box. See the difference?
Are we talking apples and oranges here?

 :deadhorse:


yeah, kinda.... :)) :))

other than my wiring looks nicer, the fact is mine is an '08.... and has the "shroud" over the battery that I noted would work with that battery Ted originally asked about... unlike the later years '10 up...

oh, and mine is faster, note that "Blue High Beta Energy capsule" that my bike (and all '08-'09 had).... it will achieve warp speed quicker, and do "Lunar Wheelies"....
 :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :beerchug:
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 28, 2019, 09:44:03 pm
Was wonder'n what that nasty blue thing was.
Thought it was an explosive charge or maybe secret FOB related device.  ;)
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 28, 2019, 10:33:03 pm
Was wonder'n what that nasty blue thing was.
Thought it was an explosive charge or maybe secret FOB related device.  ;)

that also... AntiTheft de-nutter...attached to my FOB... :))
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 29, 2019, 12:19:50 am
When it's time, I think I'll just buy the Yuasa GYZ16H, cut a couple of clearance holes in my stock battery box and be done.
Should fit perfectly and less work..

But, I'm still wondering if someone can find a more powerful battery than stock for less $$.
Right now, I think the Yuasa is the best option, but like the Motobatt..


Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 29, 2019, 12:32:47 am
When it's time, I think I'll just buy the Yuasa GYZ16H, cut a couple of clearance holes in my stock battery box and be done.
Should fit perfectly and less work..

But, I'm still wondering if someone can find a more powerful battery than stock for less $$.
Right now, I think the Yuasa is the best option, but like the Motobatt..


Ride safe, Ted

Write up a report with pictures for us COG members in good standing for the next exciting issue of the Concourier.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on April 29, 2019, 12:43:14 pm
(I hate to admit Harry did anything good), but that sound's like a good I-deer.
But, I'm not buying one yet as the OEM battery is till crankin' fine. {???}

I started this discussion because I'm concerned because my batteries age {2013 to now}, but so far, so good... {famous last words}.

Nighthawk "has" installed 1 though. Nighthawk are you still out there?
  Do ya feel like doin' an article for the next Concourier?? {hint/hint}  :great:

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on April 29, 2019, 01:31:55 pm
Nothing wrong with shopping for parts BEFORE they wear out.
Most folks wait till failure, then it's panic mode.

I'm always shopping for my next computer just to stay on top of the never ending changes.
If my computer dies, I'd have to buy one like...right NOW. Can't waste time trying to decide what to look for.
Battery technology changes to, tho not as fast.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on June 26, 2019, 02:53:45 pm
Just saw these for $85..

Ride safe, Ted

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-High-Performance-Factory-Activated-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/352445771786?epid=209955446&hash=item520f67b00a:g:MAYAAOSwZSpdEl4q (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yuasa-High-Performance-Factory-Activated-Battery-GYZ16H-YUAM716GH/352445771786?epid=209955446&hash=item520f67b00a:g:MAYAAOSwZSpdEl4q)
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Harry Martin on June 26, 2019, 03:12:52 pm
Nice find Ted.

Bookmarked for future reference.
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Rev Ryder on June 26, 2019, 09:04:48 pm
When it's time, I think I'll just buy the Yuasa GYZ16H, cut a couple of clearance holes in my stock battery box and be done.
Should fit perfectly and less work..

But, I'm still wondering if someone can find a more powerful battery than stock for less $$.
Right now, I think the Yuasa is the best option, but like the Motobatt..


Ride safe, Ted

Hey Ted,
Not sure of the fitment to a C-14 on these. They fit a C-10 and are what I use.  They have stainless attachment points (at least I think it's stainless, it sure isn't lead) and while they simply call them SLA batteries, they are AGM.  They are available in a host of brands and manufacturers under all types of usage.  Also available on Amazon under various brand names.  But I run them in jet skis as well as bikes and they can take a beating and come up running for me offshore.  Keep a maintainer on them when not in use and they do about the same life as a Yuasa AGM.  I actually started messing with these when you gave me that old battery from a jumpbox way back when.  Oh, this price includes shipping.

DISCLAIMER:
I don't recommend nuttin'.  YMMV   Don't try anything other than what the factory installed in your bike.  And I've even looked twice at a bike with a car tire on it.  If you do anything I suggest you will die a fiery horrible death.  There, that about covers it.

https://www.batterysharks.com/12-Volt-18-Amp-SLA-Battrery-Free-Shipping-p/12v-18ah-f_b12-18.htm (https://www.batterysharks.com/12-Volt-18-Amp-SLA-Battrery-Free-Shipping-p/12v-18ah-f_b12-18.htm)
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14??
Post by: connie_rider on June 26, 2019, 09:55:11 pm
Thanks Rev.
In this discussion we were looking for batteries with more CCA {at a close to stock price}..
That's a great price!
 But, I don't think it will fit.
Let me add it to the comparison...
OOps, won't fit. See below.

                        Motobatt                 Yuasa                         Stock/ Yuasa                      Rev's Find {brand ??}
                14Ah AGM Battery   16Ah AGM Battery              12Ah AGM Battery                 18Ah AGM Battery
SPECIFICATIONS:
BM Part #:   BM-MBTX12U             GYZ16H                              YTX14-BS                         SLA 12V-18AH
Voltage:          12 Volt                    12 Volt                                 12 Volt                              12 Volt 
Capacity:          14 Ah                    16 Ah                                   12 Ah                                18 Ah
Type:                 AGM                     AGM                                     AGM                                  AGM
Length:              5.94"                    6.0"                                      6.0"                                  7.13"
Width:               3.43"                    3.4"                                      3.4"                                    3.0"
Height:              5.12"                   5.75"                                    5.75"                                   6.59
Cld Crk Amps:    200 CCA             240 CCA                               200 CCA                                 ???
Shipping Wt:       11.00Lbs            12.4 lb.                                  8.1 lb.                                 12.65
Price;                  $82.86             $89.95                                    $76.69                               $39.99
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: Rev Ryder on June 27, 2019, 02:54:46 am
Ain't you gotta chain saw boy?   :))
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: connie_rider on July 02, 2019, 12:43:54 pm
I got an advertisement this morning. Not sure about the Lithium, but this seemed like a good price ($116) if someone was looking to try one. I thought they cost about $200++?
I think it will fit...
NOTE: I know nothing about the Lithium, but MOB/others seem concerned with Lithium..
https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/fire-power-featherweight-lithium-battery-hjtx14h-fp-il (https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/fire-power-featherweight-lithium-battery-hjtx14h-fp-il)
Found another brand/WPS/same size on Ebay for $99.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fire-Power-HJTX14H-FP-IL-Featherweight-Lithium-Ion-Motorcycle-Battery-240-CCA/143262023371?hash=item215b14fecb:g:3pIAAOSwA9Jc5EES (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fire-Power-HJTX14H-FP-IL-Featherweight-Lithium-Ion-Motorcycle-Battery-240-CCA/143262023371?hash=item215b14fecb:g:3pIAAOSwA9Jc5EES)

Last: Found a Lithium with 330 CCA for $152 that should fit. {it's 1/4" only taller than the one I posed below}
        https://www.ebay.com/itm/FEATHERWEIGHT-LITHIUM-BATTERY-360-CCA-12v-72WH-Motorcycle-Cruiser-Supermoto/201861473584?hash=item2effe1a530:g:bUMAAOSwTM5Y0VAn (https://www.ebay.com/itm/FEATHERWEIGHT-LITHIUM-BATTERY-360-CCA-12v-72WH-Motorcycle-Cruiser-Supermoto/201861473584?hash=item2effe1a530:g:bUMAAOSwTM5Y0VAn)


Ride safe, Ted

Update; Looks like it will fit.. with room to spare..

                        Motobatt                 Yuasa                         Stock/ Yuasa             Revzilla Featherweight
                14Ah AGM Battery   16Ah AGM Battery              12Ah AGM Battery                 ??Ah Lithium Battery
SPECIFICATIONS:
BM Part #:   BM-MBTX12U             GYZ16H                              YTX14-BS                         HJTX14H-FP-IL
Voltage:          12 Volt                    12 Volt                                 12 Volt                              12 Volt 
Capacity:          14 Ah                    16 Ah                                   12 Ah                                ?? Ah
Type:                 AGM                     AGM                                     AGM                                Lithium
Length:              5.94"                    6.0"                                      6.0"                                  6.00"
Width:               3.43"                    3.4"                                      3.4"                                    3.43"
Height:              5.12"                   5.75"                                    5.75"                                   4.13
Cld Crk Amps:    200 CCA             240 CCA                               200 CCA                                 240 CCA
Shipping Wt:       11.00Lbs            12.4 lb.                                  8.1 lb.                                  2.0 lb.
Price;                  $82.86             $89.95                                    $76.69                               $116.00
Title: Re: 16ah series battery. Will it fit a C-14
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 02, 2019, 11:09:14 pm
I realize I've been very critical of Li Batt's, and not without reason; I think if you are spending $$$ on a batt, you really should know all the 'foibles' about them, but in reality, all the manufacturers give what they want you to believe, especially when the say "how safe" they are, and "no harmful contents", which is an outright lie on the part of the advertisers.. again, just making this clear.

the only website I have found, by a supplier, that actually was "honest" (mind you, you still need to read it all, and between the lines, especially about CA and CCA) is this one...
unfortunately it appears to be about the tech they are selling, which comes under LiFePo..(top tier... not cheap) not just LI batts.. each compound differs, and has totally different values.. LiFePo, being "top tier" and any thing below that composition, is trying to ride on "coat tails" of that, most Li or LiPo, cannot achieve the longevity, or specs, of the "high end spectrum"....

I may try a cheapo Li next go round, but I live in Ohio, and we get well below "cold"..

http://www.motobatt.us/information-lifepo4-lithium (http://www.motobatt.us/information-lifepo4-lithium)

90% of the failures and issues, are related to the "protective charging circuit tech" within the sealed package, if it fails.. you have a bomb.
I blew up a lot of batteries trying to make an effective "vent", on cell phone sized batteries I was designing.. and those even at that small size, "blow'ed up real good..wooo hooo.'