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SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« on: June 09, 2016, 02:01:58 pm »
Apparently there is another company that's doing ECU flashes to the 14. They are considerably cheaper. This makes my "hmmm" alarm go off. So begs the question, "What's the difference between their flash and the SISF flash?" Are we looking at a apples to apples flash just cheaper? Enquiring minds want to know. :)

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https://store.schnitzracing.com/schnitz-ecu-reflash-kawasaki-zzr-1400-concours-14-08-15/
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2016, 02:24:06 pm »
Morning Hazy;
Looks like they reflash 25 different ECU's.
So, my guess is; they can do a lower price because the equipment cost to flash is spread over 25 bikes rather than 1.
                         they have their own dyno.
                         their flash seems targeted at acceleration, not readability. (ie: it's a dyno tuned flash)

Personally, I'll be doing SISF's flash as it's tune is aimed at what I want. (Rideability)

You/Others might like this.
For $75, might be worth trying.
Might fit your riding style more so than mine.

Only suggestion, before you let them do the tune, ask if they can also restore yours if you do not like it.

NOTE: Interesting that the a ZZR and the C-14 use the same ECU/tune...

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2016, 02:27:13 pm »
Chris, Schnitz offers flashes for the ZX14, not the ZG14 like most of us on this forum have. I read the description of their tune via your link and it looks like it's designed to obtain maximum HP at WOT. Steve Sefsick's flash is unlike most such tunes because his tune is to improve rideability at all throttle positions, not just WOT.
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2016, 02:35:34 pm »
They may have just recently added the Concours.
Their add, does show they offer a C-14 reflash.

Schnitz ECU Reflash Kawasaki ZZR-1400 Concours 14 (08-15)

SCH6700FLASH

Even has a ride report from a Customer that sez he installed it on his Concours.

But, we're in agreement. Probably WOT, not rideability.

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2016, 02:50:01 pm »
 I have not seen their flash. I have seen 3 from other companies though... when I say "see" I mean I see the values flashed in. So here's what I can tell you... you get what you pay for.

  Read the description on this one. no fuel changes, you need a pcv. Also the info on the peak rpm in the limiter and the use of fuel trims is wrong. the timing that's added is in excess of 10,000 rpm. I've seen all this already.

  I'm doing a tech session on flashing at the national. I will pull the curtain back and  you'll learn about how this flashing thing is such a "game".  Flashes that are built and never riding the bike, nor even being on a dyno. It would be funny if it wasn't true. Steve
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2016, 02:55:26 pm »
From there Q&A page:

My bike has a stumble or flat spot when I'm riding. Will the ECU Reflash fix this? - In short no. Hesitation, stumble or a flat spot is usually an indication of incorrect fueling at that RPM and load.

I'm very happy with the flash from Steve, got rid of all of what they say theirs won't.   :motonoises:
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2016, 03:05:54 pm »
Hazy.......what everyone has said here is true. "rideability". I was one of the lucky first ones to try it at last years RWTW rally. Another member had Guhls reflash and rode Steve's bike and all he said was "WOW that's  what I want".

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2016, 04:30:37 pm »
They may have just recently added the Concours.
Their add, does show they offer a C-14 reflash.

Schnitz ECU Reflash Kawasaki ZZR-1400 Concours 14 (08-15)

SCH6700FLASH

Even has a ride report from a Customer that sez he installed it on his Concours.

But, we're in agreement. Probably WOT, not rideability.

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Thanks, Ted. I didn't search the site. I just looked at the OP's web link.
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2016, 05:10:45 pm »
yep, I suspected this $75 flash wouldn't be the same as what SISF is putting out.

Now I one thing they do that I like is they put a sticker on the ECU that show's its been flashed. This way you'd have some indication that it's truly been flashed when resale comes around.

I'm still on a C10 and would love a Shoodaben Engineering sticker to show my carbs have been SISFied.

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2016, 05:19:44 pm »
Someone just posted Steve's dyno sheet claiming it was a Shnitz tune. It has Steve's name on it...  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2016, 05:24:18 pm »
Someone just posted Steve's dyno sheet claiming it was a Shnitz tune. It has Steve's name on it...  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2016, 05:37:34 pm »
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Any chance you'll record the session you do at the National for those of us who can not be there?

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2016, 05:42:08 pm »
yep, I suspected this $75 flash wouldn't be the same as what SISF is putting out.

Now I one thing they do that I like is they put a sticker on the ECU that show's its been flashed. This way you'd have some indication that it's truly been flashed when resale comes around.

I'm still on a C10 and would love a Shoodaben Engineering sticker to show my carbs have been SISFied.

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2016, 05:46:45 pm »
Someone just posted Steve's dyno sheet claiming it was a Shnitz tune. It has Steve's name on it...  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Crap, I just bombed the guy and he must have fixed it while I was typing! Lets see if I can edit  :-[
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2016, 06:03:43 pm »
Some of you may have read this already - but it answers the question in the subject line...

http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php?topic=63828.msg512094#msg512094

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2016, 06:23:17 pm »
Link not working for me Fais.
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2016, 06:32:45 pm »
Link not working for me Fais.


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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2016, 06:57:14 pm »
yep, I suspected this $75 flash wouldn't be the same as what SISF is putting out.

Now I one thing they do that I like is they put a sticker on the ECU that show's its been flashed. This way you'd have some indication that it's truly been flashed when resale comes around.

I'm still on a C10 and would love a Shoodaben Engineering sticker to show my carbs have been SISFied.

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2016, 07:29:40 pm »
yep, I suspected this $75 flash wouldn't be the same as what SISF is putting out.

Now I one thing they do that I like is they put a sticker on the ECU that show's its been flashed. This way you'd have some indication that it's truly been flashed when resale comes around.

I'm still on a C10 and would love a Shoodaben Engineering sticker to show my carbs have been SISFied.

Steve, How 'bout it?

  Stickers? This is all about stickers? Well, I have stickers.

  I have stickers for your bike

  I have stickers on the ECU

  If you show up at the National

  I'll even have a sticker for you!

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2016, 07:46:45 pm »
I'd love to have something along the lines of "Engineered by Shoodaben" or something along those lines.

Steve....can you have your board of directors consider having these produced?  we shoudl be able to get them by the 2017 National.  Oh wait....that's another thread.   :)) :)) :))

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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2016, 07:48:46 pm »
I'd love to have something along the lines of "Engineered by Shoodaben" or something along those lines.

Steve....can you have your board of directors consider having these produced?  we shoudl be able to get them by the 2017 National.  Oh wait....that's another thread.   :)) :)) :))

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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2016, 09:33:04 pm »
Steve will be giving FREE Shoodaben  TATTOOS at the national  :allhail:
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Re: SISF Flash Competition - What's the Difference?
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2016, 12:52:15 am »
Steve will be giving FREE Shoodaben  TATTOOS at the national  :allhail:

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