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Title: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on June 19, 2018, 02:40:03 am
New owner. Just bought it today. I live in Florida so it's hot but my legs were on fire on the ride home. Any factory fixes? I see foam in the fairing. Not sure if that is supposed to help.
I need help please or I'm only gonna be able to ride in Jan and Feb.
Ideas?
Thanks,
Paul
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ZXtasy on June 19, 2018, 11:24:12 am
Wear some pants....
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Syxxphive on June 19, 2018, 02:13:30 pm
Look up the “coolant cocktail”. Many users have had luck with it in reducing heat as it allows the radiator to work more efficiently. You could also switch to a coolant like engine ice as it will have the same effect. The radiator works better so the fans don’t come on as often or as long.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on June 20, 2018, 12:11:33 am
Wear pants? You must be from the northwest. Very hot in Florida in June and July. Pants for sure but the heat is radiating off the tank, fairings, ect. I was hoping for more help than wear pants. But this is my second day on this site. Is this is the kind if advice I can expect?
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: gpd323 on June 20, 2018, 12:17:30 am
I think Murph sells a kit to keep the lower faring heat off your legs for the early gen C14? Its like a foam seal between the fairings and engine. I did the same on my ZX14 which slowly cooked my lower legs and feet in high outside temps.

I bought some house door foam sealer insulation and applied it to the inside of the fairings to block the heat. Works well.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on June 20, 2018, 12:18:01 am
Thanks Syxxphive. I'll look into the Cocktail.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on June 20, 2018, 12:44:25 am
Wear pants? You must be from the northwest. Very hot in Florida in June and July. Pants for sure but the heat is radiating off the tank, fairings, ect. I was hoping for more help than wear pants. But this is my second day on this site. Is this is the kind if advice I can expect?

  As maybe you can tell, I'm in Fl also. The coolant cocktail is the best help you can get for getting the engine to shed heat. The issue you're dealing with is the engine heat shedding on YOU. I get it, i had an 09 first, and now a 12. The real issue with the 8-9 is that even if you get the heat from the lower fairing deflected off, you still get the heat that escapes between the tank and side fairings that cooks your inner thighs. In this, the real answer IS to wear pants and not shorts.  I think there could be some advantage to getting some foam under the tank / side panel joint to help stop the airflow, but i'm not aware of any kit for that area.

  Do your due diligence, read and search before you start changing stuff, and you'll find out that folks are here to help.

  Steve
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ZXtasy on June 20, 2018, 01:44:49 am
Awe shucks, I was just trying to be light hearted, however it is a proven scientific fact that some sort of covering will insulate from heat and reduce evaporation dehydration. Not claiming you are one of the un-geared, but us from the northern climes see plenty of photographic evidence that riders in the hot humid parts tend to 'dress down'. No offense intended, just valid advice.

You could provide a few more details, you say you 'just bought it' so is that to assume it is a brand new 2018? Is it just new to you but years of age that could see radiator fin occlusion or neglect from PO's?  Big motors run hot, and then cover that up in a tasty plastic shell and it can become a steamer. I use water wetter and just distilled water and noticed a drop in overall running temps, but even on a 75 degree day lots of stop and go traffic will see the temp gauge peg out and the fan run a lot. My advice is to try to keep moving as fast as possible in clean air, not tucked behind larger rigs.

Lets see pics of your Florida Freeway Flogger!
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ZXtasy on June 20, 2018, 01:46:09 am
Sorry, again, now I see the title says 2008. Look into having the radiator serviced/refurbished by Mylers radiator in Utah.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: NYbiomed on June 20, 2018, 09:47:54 am
I sometimes feel my “chestnuts are getting roasted” too on my 2009, fortunately here in the NE it’s not usu too bad and even sometimes rather nice in the cooler weather. I could’ve sworn I’ve seen foam deflector kits that might help. Some have also stated that SISF’s flash allows their bike to run a bit cooler, but that may be just another small reason to get it anyways  :motonoises:

I think I also recall some people using some Dynamat with the reflective Mylar to help redirect heat away from that area- between the tank and frame...

Hope this helps some and welcome aboard!
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: AmphibSailor on June 20, 2018, 10:06:56 am
I have the foam inserts between the fairing and the engine.  I added the double faced mylar bubble wrap (commonly called radiant barrier) between the engine and the fuel tank.  I also put a full Area P system on...which removed the catalytic converter(s).  All seemed to help cool my '09 down. :)
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Egodriver71 on June 20, 2018, 10:30:04 am
I ride mine in FL almost daily.

Pants help A LOT, they insulate your legs from the heat coming back.

There are also other benefits to wearing pants, but you're an adult and you can make that determination.

Also, mine is an `09.  And I don't wear my mesh pants anymore because of the heat.

Another option is removal of the cat in the header, or using the ZX-14 header/exhaust that doesn't have the cat in the header.

Also, plan your routes so you tend to keep moving.  I commute daily, so I make sure to choose routes where the likelihood of me keeping moving is the best.

Oh and get an `08-`09 windshield, perfect for in the summer here in FL.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 20, 2018, 06:22:27 pm
having owned an '08 since 7/7/07, and prior was riding an '86 C10, all I can say is owning and wearing my Aerostich 2 piece Roadcrafter suit, while hot when sitting, offered me heat free legs since day one...
Mesh sucks when it's on your legs, especially with shorts being worn under.
Some people insist mesh is cooler, and on the upper body, if fully in te airflow of cooler air, it is; but on the legs, mesh is mesh, ALL air, hot or cold, is directed INTO the skin.
I also wear shin high m/c protective boots, this combo of boots and Stich prevents hot air from ever touching my lower legs, the best 'insulation' against hot or cold air, is a 'trapped layer' of air against your skin.. so if you wear mesh, all of the 'air' flowing to your skin is hot... make sense?, even wearing jeans under mesh, still is only providing a minimum buffer zone against the skin.
The gen I ('08-'09's) came with foam baffles and blockage 'pads', and also aluma coated heat reflective panels installed, but if someone took the plastic off, and did not use care when reinstalling them, they most likely are not positioned correctly to afford the sealed in 'ducting' to channel the heat out the side vents as designed. A few minutes of examination, and repositioning to make sure they are not just pushed in, but also sealing off the big opening along the backside may improve things.
So don't take the comment "wear pants" as a joke, it really does matter, as it's another layer to prevent heat from actually reaching the skin...
The Aerostich has a robust double thickness construction on the lower legs, and also has an inner thin smooth liner, which makes a 3 layer area to prevent (hot) air from skin (well, 4 layers if you count the waterproof goretex membrane).... so, while people think it's too 'hot' to wear something like that, it's really the opposite when 170* air is pouring against it... I wear shorts under in hot weather, and when I reach my destination, my Stich comes off in 10 seconds... it's protective gear, and not a style show to be worn while walking around and kicking tires, and socializing.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: diablo6v on June 20, 2018, 06:58:53 pm
I have an '09. One of the PO's or a dealer who had the bike before me installed a few of the heat blocking pads incorrectly. Three were actually missing. [Ron Ayers- Microfiche] I replaced all of them last summer, even the little sticker pads, it wasn't cheap. The black foam pad stuff just disintegrated in my hands after 9yrs on the bike. This dropped my heat levels one solid bar on the gauge. It also made the glove box a lot cooler; now that the heat is going where it is was designed to by Kawasaki. I do have a set of Zshields you can have for free or pay the shipping. HTH.  :) :)
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Phil on June 21, 2018, 12:15:57 am
Wear pants? You must be from the northwest. Very hot in Florida in June and July. Pants for sure but the heat is radiating off the tank, fairings, ect. I was hoping for more help than wear pants. But this is my second day on this site. Is this is the kind if advice I can expect?

I have a 2009 and never really found the heat to be an issue. I do wear riding pants though, and boots. I have ridden in Florida and hotter areas. Two Summers I lived where it was usually in the upper 90s and lower 100s and it really wasn't a problem, nor has it been for tours in the heat. Obviously on the road it is better than in traffic. Good boots help immensely. If you are wearing sneakers or some other casual shoe, your feet will feel the heat.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: lather on June 21, 2018, 07:57:49 pm
I have experimented with removing the louvers. This only changes which part of your leg gets the heat. Assuming you are wearing mesh pants the hot air shoots through the mesh and cooks your legs. With my old mesh pants I was happier without the louvers because the hot air hit my knees and I they were shielded by armor. My new mesh pants that fit much better work better with the louvers on.

Heat on my legs is not nearly as big a deal as the heat that builds up after 3 or 4 hours in the seat. I have found no solution for this except standing up on the pegs to get some breeze on the boys.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: freebird6 on June 22, 2018, 01:21:22 am


Oh and get an `08-`09 windshield, perfect for in the summer here in FL.


saw one of those over on the other forum. I keep one up in the barn and put it on in hot weather when the Cee Bailey is just too big.

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23459.0;topicseen (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=23459.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: turbojoe78_MA on June 22, 2018, 10:22:38 am

Heat on my legs is not nearly as big a deal as the heat that builds up after 3 or 4 hours in the seat. I have found no solution for this except standing up on the pegs to get some breeze on the boys.

Have you ever tried a beaded seat cover?  The one I have will get some cool air under your butt on cold mornings.

https://www.beadrider.com/product/classic-seat-front-seat-only/ (https://www.beadrider.com/product/classic-seat-front-seat-only/)
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: lather on June 22, 2018, 11:27:49 am

Heat on my legs is not nearly as big a deal as the heat that builds up after 3 or 4 hours in the seat. I have found no solution for this except standing up on the pegs to get some breeze on the boys.

Have you ever tried a beaded seat cover?  The one I have will get some cool air under your butt on cold mornings.

https://www.beadrider.com/product/classic-seat-front-seat-only/ (https://www.beadrider.com/product/classic-seat-front-seat-only/)

Yeas, I wore one out in fact. Does help a little, time for a new one.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on June 23, 2018, 12:07:58 am
Once weather turned warm in Seattle, I can see a lot of "squids" wearing shorts and sandals riding around.
AGAT is the "pledge" I've given when I started riding motorbikes. Heck, I wear armour when riding my Trek Sessions. And if you know bicycling, then you know you'll sweat profusely when hoofing it.
There is no excuse in the world not to wear pants when riding a motorbike.

Cheers... 
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: turbojoe78_MA on June 23, 2018, 11:41:13 am
Once weather turned warm in Seattle, I can see a lot of "squids" wearing shorts and sandals riding around.
AGAT is the "pledge" I've given when I started riding motorbikes. Heck, I wear armour when riding my Trek Sessions. And if you know bicycling, then you know you'll sweat profusely when hoofing it.
There is no excuse in the world not to wear pants when riding a motorbike.

Cheers...

Thank god we live in the good old US of A where we still have freedom of choice (for some things) and I don't need an excuse to wear shorts, if I want to.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ConcoursKZ on June 23, 2018, 01:01:19 pm



Cheers...

Thank god we live in the good old US of A where we still have freedom of choice (for some things) and I don't need an excuse to wear shorts, if I want to.


+1,000,000
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on June 23, 2018, 08:16:18 pm
Looks like I have foam in the engine next to the fairing please see picture. Is this the phone people are talking about? Seems to me that this is causing the heat to go upward around the tank.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: rcannon409 on June 23, 2018, 09:36:05 pm
Paulc, I had those foam inserts, and used them for several years.  I thought a member here, sold me mine, but I might be wrong. You can still get them, on ebay.

In ways, they were an improvement.  The hot air no longer hit your lower legs, but it did make the fuel tank get HOT. If the tank was full, it helped, but there were times when I was concerned.

This year, I removed my pads.. These pads, adnd wraps we tried were just band-aids for the real problem. With Ivans flash, Ive had mine in 101 degree temps, and the heat has not bothered me. Its much improved. Sadly, I can no longer cook food, on my fuel tank.......I guess you cant have everything.

Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 23, 2018, 10:30:23 pm
Paulc, I had those foam inserts, and used them for several years.  I thought a member here, sold me mine, but I might be wrong. You can still get them, on ebay.

In ways, they were an improvement.  The hot air no longer hit your lower legs, but it did make the fuel tank get HOT. If the tank was full, it helped, but there were times when I was concerned.

This year, I removed my pads.. These pads, adnd wraps we tried were just band-aids for the real problem. With Ivans flash, Ive had mine in 101 degree temps, and the heat has not bothered me. Its much improved. Sadly, I can no longer cook food, on my fuel tank.......I guess you cant have everything.

SERIOUSLY?
ok, I understand a few things, and sometimes I get confused.. but sometimes, the clarity is profound...

his picture, shows the OEM installed baffles, that came from the factory on his bike. I'm pretty familiar with them, as I've removed, and re-installed my complete fairing assembly a dozen or more times, while doing maintenance on my machine...to keep it running as nice as the day I purchased it.... when in place, they do what they were intended for.
Sometimes people "push" on them, and move them forward, and away from sealing alongside the engine, and they can be easily re positioned... they force the hot air out those HUGE holes in the side of the mid fairing... removing them will let all that flow on your shins...
.......
I'm simply amazed that my bike which I purchased 7/7/07, has not roasted my legs, boiled my gas tank dry... and had it explode...as a result.

....

ride safe

Caveat Emptor.
E Pluribus Unum
Semper Fi





Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on June 23, 2018, 10:40:13 pm
Once weather turned warm in Seattle, I can see a lot of "squids" wearing shorts and sandals riding around.
AGAT is the "pledge" I've given when I started riding motorbikes. Heck, I wear armour when riding my Trek Sessions. And if you know bicycling, then you know you'll sweat profusely when hoofing it.
There is no excuse in the world not to wear pants when riding a motorbike.

Cheers...


Thank god we live in the good old US of A where we still have freedom of choice (for some things) and I don't need an excuse to wear shorts, if I want to.
Sadly, common sense is not so common nowadays!
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ConcoursKZ on June 24, 2018, 11:18:51 am
Once weather turned warm in Seattle, I can see a lot of "squids" wearing shorts and sandals riding around.
AGAT is the "pledge" I've given when I started riding motorbikes. Heck, I wear armour when riding my Trek Sessions. And if you know bicycling, then you know you'll sweat profusely when hoofing it.
There is no excuse in the world not to wear pants when riding a motorbike.

Cheers...


Thank god we live in the good old US of A where we still have freedom of choice (for some things) and I don't need an excuse to wear shorts, if I want to.
Sadly, common sense is not so common nowadays!

So I guess what you are saying is that pants will help against the heat?
I agree wearing pants instead of shorts will help with the heat issue.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Ivan_ipp on June 24, 2018, 11:36:05 am
The best way to lower the engine temperature is through proper engine tuning.

When tuned properly, it won't transfer as much heat into the cooling system.... just a lot more comfortable for the rider.

Ivan
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on June 24, 2018, 12:24:26 pm
Some people complain sun is too hot. Whatcagonnado?
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Ivan_ipp on June 24, 2018, 02:19:33 pm
I read his first post..... engine heat.  :great:


Ivan
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 24, 2018, 06:08:37 pm
The best way to lower the engine temperature is through proper engine tuning.

When tuned properly, it won't transfer as much heat into the cooling system.... just a lot more comfortable for the rider.

Ivan

 :hum: :confuse:
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Ivan_ipp on June 25, 2018, 12:15:46 am
Hum what?
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Jeff Kerkow on June 25, 2018, 12:22:56 am
How are any of you helping the original poster ? Please go back and look at what you have posted and remove it if it does not directly help his question.
Thank you in advance from a moderator.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ron203 on June 25, 2018, 02:53:23 pm
How are any of you helping the original poster ? Please go back and look at what you have posted and remove it if it does not directly help his question.
Thank you in advance from a moderator.

+1  (from another moderator)

.......

I live in Ga and it's just hot (and humid) here. It's NOT a dry heat. If you ride, you sweat, because the fact of the matter is that some days it's REALLY hot, like yesterday, today, and probably tomorrow. Some insulation against heat transfer, like long pants under riding pants, helps. But it's still hot. You ride a C-14, you've got a BIG  heat generator between your legs no matter what you do unless you're coasting downhill with the engine off and then it's STILL 95 degrees or whatever. That's hot. My son said to me one day when we were out and saw a bike go by, "Must be cooler on that motorcycle." I told him, "Nope, it's still 95 out there and the pavement is 120."

Some days, I just take the cage....
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: NukeWorker on June 25, 2018, 04:01:48 pm
I've always been of the opinion that even if its 102F , going fast lowers the temperature by at least 15 degrees  :)).  Or maybe I just don't notice it as much cause I'm so busy trying to hang on?  :rotflmao:

But seriously.  I'm in Texas, it's hot, it's humid, stop and go traffic sucks.  The best your going to do is protect yourself from the sun and the wind, stay hydrated, apply farkles as applicable.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: rcannon409 on June 25, 2018, 07:24:32 pm
Paulc, I wanted to give you an update.

I have had my Ivans Flash since last August, but by the time I really spent much time on it, it was Sept, and out ambient temperatures had dropped.   Earlier int he thread, I said the flash helped with my heat issue. It helped enough that I really never thought about it, anymore.  That was in temps closer to the 70-80 degree range.

Way back in 2010, I added a power commander and the fuel moto map.  The bike ran better, and was more powerful, but the throttle still sucked.  Jerky, snatch, and unpleasant.  A slight improvement , over stock, but power only. Not in its overall manners. No change in heat.

With that in mind, I decided to try and give you some better info, and tell you how my bike was, today.

I left home with less than 1/2 of a tank full of fuel. Before the flash, I would have stopped and filled it.  With more fuel, onboard, the tank heated up slower than is did , empty.

94 degrees, today.  I ride 30 highway miles. We have an 80 mile speed limit, so we will pretend I stayed right at that limit.   I took the exit I needed, and that left 12 miles of stop-n-go traffic. 

Before the flash, I would have been going out of my way not to heat the bike more than I had to..I did not do that, today, I worked on creating as much heat, as possible. 

The temp gauge stayed in the middle position, for the most part. When I stopped, it would sometimes light the bar, above e middle, but the fan soon took care of that, If the fan did not have enough time, the gauge dropped to the middle position as soon as it was  in motion. I was happy.  Although the tank did get warm, it was nothing like the past.

I could honestly swear to a 1-2 bar improvement.

Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Cali Cruiser on June 25, 2018, 08:08:56 pm
I can attest to the one and two bar improvement. I was under the impression I was imagining it but it turns out that’s truly the case. Fan does come on earlier in traffic of course now but it seems that the usual temp when arriving at those lights is far less and it does seem to remain at cooler temps all the while. It’s already plenty hot here in California. Thanks for reminding me of that whole affair Cannon and putting it out there for the OP. Just my 02. Sorry, I forgot to mention that I too have the Ivans Performance flash.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Busaboyz on June 25, 2018, 10:28:10 pm
I bought a used 2008 C14 about a year ago. 29K miles. I live in central FL and usually drive in shorts. I've had many bikes in my life and have been riding continuously since 1974. I presently have the C14 and a Yamaha Stratoliner (1850cc). I sold my Triumph Rocket III (2300cc) the day I bought my C14. Previously I had a Kawasaki VN2000 (2050cc), Yamaha FZ1 (1000cc) and a Suzuki Hayabusa (1300cc). NONE of these bikes EVER burned my legs like the C14 does.

I took off the plastic bodywork to see if the foam seals were out of whack and found nothing wrong. Very little airflow seems to come out of the side vents at speed unlike my Hayabusa. This alone says volumes about the poor design.  All I can say is the C14 has the absolute WORST heat management of any bike I have ever owned in my life. I'm not sure I can survive another summer with two heat guns burning up my calfs.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 25, 2018, 10:46:54 pm
I bought a used 2008 C14 about a year ago. 29K miles. I live in central FL and usually drive in shorts. ....the poor design.  All I can say is the C14 has the absolute WORST heat management of any bike I have ever owned in my life. I'm not sure I can survive another summer with two heat guns burning up my calfs.

not much a person can say other than, if it's sooo bad, might want to ditch it.

or buy one of those Re-Flashed ECU things...
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First post? picked a good one... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

hope that helps, but I do respect your viewpoint, and hope things go better for you.

"to effect the quality of the day, that is the highest of the arts".... I heard that from a book.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on June 28, 2018, 02:21:47 am
Took a short ride down A1A. About 30 miles round trip. Averaged 50 to 55 mph in OD.
Bike was at one bar most of the time however slowing down for lights etc went to 2 and 3 bars. Took a couple pics of temps when I got home. Outside temp was 79 degrees.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on June 28, 2018, 02:25:52 am
Last couple of pictures.
I'm worried glove box is so hot it's gonna fry key fob. I dont leave cell phone in there anymore.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on June 28, 2018, 02:38:39 am
I bought a used 2008 C14 about a year ago. 29K miles. I live in central FL and usually drive in shorts. I've had many bikes in my life and have been riding continuously since 1974. I presently have the C14 and a Yamaha Stratoliner (1850cc). I sold my Triumph Rocket III (2300cc) the day I bought my C14. Previously I had a Kawasaki VN2000 (2050cc), Yamaha FZ1 (1000cc) and a Suzuki Hayabusa (1300cc). NONE of these bikes EVER burned my legs like the C14 does.

I took off the plastic bodywork to see if the foam seals were out of whack and found nothing wrong. Very little airflow seems to come out of the side vents at speed unlike my Hayabusa. This alone says volumes about the poor design.  All I can say is the C14 has the absolute WORST heat management of any bike I have ever owned in my life. I'm not sure I can survive another summer with two heat guns burning up my calfs.

I feel ya. This is my first C14. Live the bike. Quiet and smooth but the heat might be to much. I'd hate to own a bike I can  only ride Dec, Jan , Feb.
I rode down to Daytona Beach the other day. Right pant leg was cooking. 80 mph is doable but come on.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: TimR on June 28, 2018, 09:34:37 am
The key Fob should go into a deep or zipped pocket. After you loose a Fob or know someone who has lost a Fob you will under stand rather quickly. And most everyone with a 8 or 9 don't keep electrics in the glove box that I know of.  The fob is pretty tuff though. I've washed mine a couple of times.   
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ron203 on June 28, 2018, 11:59:13 am
I know a lot of guys who have the active fob on a lanyard or heavy cord/kevlar/strong fishing line, etc and they loop it around their belt and tuck it in a pocket. Walk away from the bike and it goes with you. My technique.

 Unfortunately, I had to re-learn to take the switch key out of my other bike because I kept "walking away" without pulling it (from other bike). Good/bad habit.

Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: PeteTN_zgtr on June 29, 2018, 02:16:47 am
Paul, cool gadget! (your meter).  Some interesting finding on my 08.

I didn't have any problems with the body work and frame between my legs getting hot or even warm enough to bother me through regular jeans. My glove box got hotter than I wanted, so I insulated the bottom and sides of the lower portion of it. That helped get it where it's just barely warm so I felt OK putting my phone in there. Well immediately after that the panels and frame near my legs got noticeably hotter.  My speculation after giving it some thought and seeing this thread is that the insulation on the bottom of the glovebox is against the top of the frame not letting heat escape off the frame at that location, so the entire frame is running hotter. Being aluminum heat conducts really well through the frame. So it occurred to me the other day to try riding with the glove box off and observing the fairing/frame temperatures near my legs but we've had thunderstorms here all week. I'm thinking/hoping that the top of the frame will be very warm (well we know it is) and the rear of the frame will be cooler due to more heat escaping through the top of the frame. It would be interesting if you tried it.

The other major issue is the fairing outlets just being too close to the rider's legs and the angled hot wings funneling hot air right to the lower leg area, as well as being too narrow to blow the air out from the legs. I tried a prototype set up with the hot wings removed and cardboard airfoils at 90 deg to the road and it worked fairly well to blow the hot air out off the legs. I did block off 2 or 3 of the lower fairing openings with foam so the airfoil didn't have to be huge. That may aggravate the frame heating problem but I'm not sure about that. The engine didn't seem to run hotter, at least no indication on the temp gauge. Those fairing outlets and hot wings on the gen 1 look really cool but they're STUPID STUPID for rider comfort.

Good luck
Pete
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Busaboyz on June 29, 2018, 09:27:45 pm
I've owned multiple water cooled bikes with full fairings. All had the side vents. Unfortunately they are close to useless on the C14 when compared to my GSXR 1100 and Hayabusa 1300. It is what it is, very poor design. 
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 29, 2018, 11:50:56 pm
so, on a positive note, anything about the c14 you like?
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: PeteTN_zgtr on June 30, 2018, 12:47:10 am
I like the smooth engine and ergonomics and power. But with regard to airflow through the fairing on the gen 1, Kawi just didn't finish their engineering homework. Neutron silver color is cool too.

Anyway it was a hot dry day here, so I tried what I suggested, riding with glovebox completely removed. I think my speculation was wrong. The frame was hot but the fairings near my legs were about as hot as normal. So my "insulated glove box preventing the frame from cooling" theory is probably wrong. Adding the insulation likely affected/restricted airflow to the mid fairing cavity. Sticking my hand at the top of that cavity while riding; it's hot! So the unmodified glove box must help deliver airflow to that area. Tomorrow I'll try the top of the glove box without the bottom. It appears that may increase air flow to the fairing cavity appreciably. We'll see.

Putting my hand where the front of the glove box would have been today, there is airflow coming up around the steering stem, top triple tree.

Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on June 30, 2018, 01:01:20 am
I like the smooth engine and ergonomics and power. But with regard to airflow through the fairing on the gen 1, Kawi just didn't finish their engineering homework. Neutron silver color is cool too.

Anyway it was a hot dry day here, so I tried what I suggested, riding with glovebox completely removed. I think my speculation was wrong. The frame was hot but the fairings near my legs were about as hot as normal. So my "insulated glove box preventing the frame from cooling" theory is probably wrong. Adding the insulation likely affected/restricted airflow to the mid fairing cavity. Sticking my hand at the top of that cavity while riding; it's hot! So the unmodified glove box must help deliver airflow to that area. Tomorrow I'll try the top of the glove box without the bottom. It appears that may increase air flow to the fairing cavity appreciably. We'll see.

Putting my hand where the front of the glove box would have been today, there is airflow coming up around the steering stem, top triple tree.

  It's really nice to see folks doing experiments and sharing results. just remember that you're going to fail much more than succeed, but that's part of the deal.  Congrats for putting in the effort  :great: Steve
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: PeteTN_zgtr on June 30, 2018, 11:58:41 pm
Thanks Steve, yeah I know all about the failures.

Anyway, I rode this morning with just the glove box top in place without the lower tray. It was early enough to still be pretty cool, low 70's. I'd say still no change. The left side got warm enough to start to be warmer than comfortable. Not bad but still it was about 8:30am.  Maybe I need to break down and pull the insulation off the bottom of the glove box and see if it's about like it was prior to doing anything. Fairing was warm but never uncomfortable. Glove box too hot for anything fragile. My new phone won't fit in there anyway! I'll let you all know if anything changes.

thanks,
Pete
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: ZXtasy on July 01, 2018, 01:43:12 pm
maybe there is more to this "Stove Knob" part than we realize?, Part toaster oven, part bike
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on July 01, 2018, 07:10:42 pm
Anyone know how this much heat effects the fuel tank? Is hot gas good?
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: olie on July 01, 2018, 07:35:32 pm
...I heard there is a flash that cures all those problems...  :))
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Paulc_FL on July 01, 2018, 07:42:17 pm
Ivans flash is a software thing?
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Jeff Kerkow on July 01, 2018, 09:22:54 pm
Yes, Flash is ECU reprogramming.
Two vendors in the IM section do this work both have posted in this thread.

Feel free to start another thread regarding the gasoline temperature question.

Second request for posters to stay on topic.

Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Egodriver71 on July 02, 2018, 09:30:53 am
Is hot gas good?

Base on a test by Smokey Yunick, hot gas results in better gas mileage.
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Busaboyz on July 02, 2018, 01:42:27 pm
so, on a positive note, anything about the c14 you like?

There is a lot to like about the bike. Way more comfortable than my Busa even with Helibars. Only other complaints are the gearing and lack of power below 5K RPM. Hated my 2006 FZ1 as well even with a front and rear sprocket change. I'm too use to large bore sport bikes. Even Vtwin cruiser I've had is too slooow. Rather have a ZX14 but I'm too old....
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: Daytona_Mike on July 02, 2018, 01:54:07 pm
Mines an 08. I live in Florida.   I always ATGATT so my riding boots cover my shins-
My AD-1 Aerostich pants keeps hot air off my skin-- not the hot air from the bike- the hot air from Florida.  I wear riding shorts under the AD-1  shell in hot weather. I vent the air from the boom of the pants and out the sides - but only limited venting as I want to keep (or try to)  that cooled evaporative  air next to my skin.       
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 02, 2018, 08:25:39 pm
so, on a positive note, anything about the c14 you like?

There is a lot to like about the bike. Way more comfortable than my Busa even with Helibars. Only other complaints are the gearing and lack of power below 5K RPM. Hated my 2006 FZ1 as well even with a front and rear sprocket change. I'm too use to large bore sport bikes. Even Vtwin cruiser I've had is too slooow. Rather have a ZX14 but I'm too old....

yep, I'm hearing ya on all three things...
it is a very comfortable mile eating machine for me.. i've never traveled longer/farther on any other bike than this one, without major complaint..(well, my '86 C10 was extreeeeemly comfy for me solo, but not the one for my wife to be included on to munch miles on a trip..) temperature was never an issue, and weather protection was 50% better all around in torrential storms, just was a wind sail freaky thing, but it was my all around rider.

Gearing is kinda a no-brainer... 4k and below, should be considering a downshift... ya have a LOT of RPM there to play with, use it, and it will be rewarding.. I seldom run agressively below that line, so it's a shifting thing, which makes things happy in life. This bike never needed a 6th gear in my opinion...
and the ZX1400... well, I'm 63.. sooo
it's all around hotter in my opinion, when ridden at the same speeds and roads conditions, dressed the same way as I do now, so other than high insurance, and higher yet chance of being a splat, I think my choice is working so far... now if it was just lighter to push around my garage, I'd be happy... I lost weight, and it seemed to gain weight in the last 11 years... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :-[
Title: Re: 2008 concours 14 engine heat burning legs.
Post by: PeteTN_zgtr on July 07, 2018, 02:39:08 pm
Actually MOB 6th gear is another thing I like about the C14, though I try not to lug it. 

Anyway, I tried shimming the glove box (both parts) up about 1/4 inch to have more airgap under it. No change to heating of the fairing panels (still a bit hot for me) but the glove box is essentially room temp now. Was still a warmish even with the insulation I added. Now feels it like before starting the engine.  I have trimmed those foam blocks just under it also.  This does create a gap between it and the tank that I just left open for this experiment. So there's something going on with airflow near the glove box.