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After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« on: August 19, 2017, 07:45:58 pm »
Hi,
       Looking at the Pazzo Levers again!

To be honest I am happy with the OEM, but...

The after markets do catch my eye!

The question is, if I go that way, do you go long or short on the levers???

Is the short made for a two finger stop/pull only?

Never tried these out, and hard to tell from stock pics!!! ;D
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 07:57:15 pm »
I like the long lever...its a personal preference thing.  If you buy the fake ones, be sure the clutch and brake levers have the correct amount of play.

I had to work on mine.  Neither had any play.  As soon as the clutch heated up, it began to slip. Its simple fix, as long as you have a drill and some small drill bits.

Its hard to explain.  The levers have a rod in them that slips into a round cylinder. Being junk , the tolerances are not right..go figure. 

I had to drill mine another 2-3mm deeper to make it work correctly.


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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2017, 08:33:36 pm »
i have the pazzo longs and have no clutch problems. for me the shorts are too short and require too much pressure... :great:
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2017, 11:53:30 pm »
The knockoffs are hit and miss. Some are cheap and made to fit like that. I tried shorties and few of the ebay sets. CRGs long have been working on all my bikes. Like the Piazzo, quality costs, but they are spot on for fitment and adjustable range.
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2017, 01:05:51 am »
I've been using the shorties for a couple of years on my 09 C14. I like them, a lot. They will accommodate three fingers although I only use one for the brake and two for the clutch. I find that even on a track or a sporting pace in the twisties one finger brake is sufficient.
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2017, 12:13:55 pm »
I have shorty six-way adjustables on mine. Love it, clutch and brake pull are so much easier.

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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2017, 11:04:37 pm »
I have PAZZO shorty levers on my C14, I like them much better than stock.

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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2017, 12:01:29 am »
I have PAZZO shorty levers on my C14, I like them much better than stock.

Hi,
       Thanks fellas!

I will have to ask though, "WHY" are the PAZZO'S, better to you???
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2017, 12:08:27 am »
I had short ones on my C10 and like them a lot.  for me they worked every bit as well as the OEMs.    I felt like they were a bit easier to grab, and much of the time, I only use a couple fingers anyway.  I could easily fit three fingers on them with the pinky hanging off.  lets face it...how much difference can a pinky really make.   :))
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2017, 12:49:58 am »
I didn't buy the Pazzo's. I got the knock-offs from sleazebay. Haven't had any problems at all but I did rebore the pivot and pressed in needle bearings. A bit excessive I know but I had the bearings anyway and time on my hands. I do think they would have been just fine anyway. For $20.00
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2017, 11:48:05 am »
I had short ones on my C10 and like them a lot.  for me they worked every bit as well as the OEMs.    I felt like they were a bit easier to grab, and much of the time, I only use a couple fingers anyway.  I could easily fit three fingers on them with the pinky hanging off.  lets face it...how much difference can a pinky really make.   :))
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2017, 04:32:30 pm »
[quote author=gon them with the pinky hanging off.  lets face it...how much difference can a pinky really make.   :))

hey hey  hey let's not be diss'n the least of the fingers  :-\



It all depends on what that "Pinky" is being used for or what its doing. :) :))
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2017, 07:11:07 pm »
I didn't buy the Pazzo's. I got the knock-offs from sleazebay. Haven't had any problems at all but I did rebore the pivot and pressed in needle bearings. A bit excessive I know but I had the bearings anyway and time on my hands. I do think they would have been just fine anyway. For $20.00
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Hi,
       Thanks for the info Deepsea!

I did look that up but, IF I get the after market levers, they will be Pazzo's!

I actually need to go see Steve S. for that EVO Flash, only an hours ride from me but...

I'm out of town most of the time (work) and up to my a$$ in alligators when I do get home!!! ;D
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2017, 09:02:30 pm »
Which ever ones you get you'll most likely be comfortable with them. The only times I've needed to use two fingers on the brake was at Thunder Hill and Sears Point trying to shed some serious speed coming into corners. :motonoises:
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2017, 09:54:01 pm »
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Please post some pics when you've installed your levers

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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2017, 11:48:46 pm »
Have you considered the ASV C5's? They have more adjustment/range, better warranty, but are a bit more expensive. I have the standard length for the clutch lever and the shorty brake lever. When I was researching levers, I found more positive reviews regarding the ASV's, but I expect it's YMMV...
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2017, 12:55:14 am »
Have you considered the ASV C5's? They have more adjustment/range, better warranty, but are a bit more expensive. I have the standard length for the clutch lever and the shorty brake lever. When I was researching levers, I found more positive reviews regarding the ASV's, but I expect it's YMMV...

Hi,
      From what I understand the ASV's are about $125 EACH!

The CRG's are about $100 EACH!

Where the Pazzo's are $150 a SET?

That is how I understand the pricing when I look at these?

For that, I would probably run the Pazzo's as they do have a good name!

They also offer, a lot, of different colors, in the lever AND the adjusters!
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2017, 01:24:58 am »
ASV has the F3's for about $160 for the set, other than a 3yr warranty, I don't know the difference between them. I waited for an EBay deal- like the one going on now ($20 off $75) to save a few shekels on each, took a bit of the sting out.
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2017, 01:49:56 am »
ASV has the F3's for about $160 for the set, other than a 3yr warranty, I don't know the difference between them. I waited for an EBay deal- like the one going on now ($20 off $75) to save a few shekels on each, took a bit of the sting out.

Hi,
       You are correct!

I was looking at the C5's, instead of the F3's!
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2017, 02:11:51 am »
Damn
Quick ebay search,.and I can buy ZX levers, which I know fit correctly, and have good bearings, for $50 a set delivered.. and I can cut them off to suit...

Some of you folks have way to much disposable income.. I might say..

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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2017, 02:22:49 am »
Greg,
Loving the Pazzo's. Shorter than stock, much better feel and smooth pull.
Got mine for a deal and a half through COG forum though.
I won't bore you with the price I paid.
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2017, 05:09:00 am »
So,other than the bling factor of showing off big buck expense, is there a real difference over a cutoff p.o.s. lever? Really?
Just askkng...
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I'm saykng I could paint a set of stock ones,.after making them shorter pink, red, or kawi green. Does it make them better?
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2017, 11:11:59 am »
So,other than the bling factor of showing off big buck expense, is there a real difference over a cutoff p.o.s. lever? Really?
Just askkng...
 :rotflmao:
I'm saykng I could paint a set of stock ones,.after making them shorter pink, red, or kawi green. Does it make them better?
 Just asking.... and laughing... about how much people spend for stretch jeans that rea,ly don't make their a** look good... just plaster a namtag on them.. and "you are cool. Dude...".....
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Hi,
       Well....as I said before, the OEM's work fine but, is "ignorance bliss"???

The connecting points on a bike is your hands, feet, and your backside!

The FIRST mod I made to my bike was a LAAM seat and was one of the best things I did!

I've been fighting these PAZZO levers for awhile now, but like Micheal Corleone, "they keep pulling me back in"! ;D ;D ;D

I don't mind, spending money, on my bike, I think it was a bargain, for what it is, to begin with!

I DO, want to see a return on the investment, and so far in my upgrades, have been lucky on that! :great:

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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2017, 11:56:23 am »
While I would agree, aftermarket levers aren't a game changer like Steves ECU, a Laam seat, or good tires. What they do offer is better finish/fit/feel, have an unbreakable design and more adjustability than OEM. I specifically was only going to replace the brake lever to the ASV shorty, but I have a thing for symmetry and balance, so that meant a matching clutch lever a month later when EBay had another one of their deals. And like I mentioned earlier in the thread, a set of the F3's could've been had yesterday for $142 set shipped with the 20off75 offer, hardly a "big buck expense"...how many pirates spend that just, or much more, to chrome-out a single relatively small part almost no one would notice among all the other chrome bits, at least aftermarket levers are not just an aesthetic.
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Re: After Market (PAZZO?) Lever Question?
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2017, 01:13:08 pm »

seagiant1,
Here you go...
Pazzo levers and Throttlemeiser ends.
I prefer shorty levers because I typically only use two fingers on the brake side; and on the clutch side, I'm constantly pinching my pinky with standard length levers.
If not for these things, I would have kept the stock levers.
For me it's an ergonomics thing, so $150 is a small price to pay.




I have PAZZO shorty levers on my C14, I like them much better than stock.

Hi,
       Thanks fellas!

I will have to ask though, "WHY" are the PAZZO'S, better to you???

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