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bag pinning...re-dux
« on: May 28, 2011, 09:33:31 pm »
bag pinning...re-dux







place the bags on the bike, observe the location I showed with relation to the "ribs" on the bag lower yoke, spot the position. pre-drill the first hole using a 1/8" dia bit, this allows you to spot the hole, drill the guide hole, and remove the bags for drilling thru the mount easily with the correct bit.
before you drill anything insure the 2 screws that hold the plastick "puck" onto the mount are securely tightened, this insures a good and consistant assembly.

Drill to final diameter using a 3/16" diameter bit, do not get "sloppy" and rotate the bit and drill around, drill straight thru, this insures a tight interface to keep the pin in it's happy spot. The pins have a ball detent to reduce the chance of backing out, but after hours of banging around they do move...just check them occasionally, and push them back in firmly if they move.

I got these pins from McMaster-Carr, a great source for "stuff" you may need to fix a bike, modify anything, or get any freaking tool you need....they ship fast, cheap, and sometimes for free...I have had parts from them delivered within 36 hours of ordering...they rock!

I ordered 4, just because I wanted spares.....

http://www.mcmaster.com/#98320a020/=ci7v7g

98320A020 4 Each Zinc-plated Steel Ring-grip Quick-release Pin, 3/16" Diameter, 2.0" Usable Length
they are now $1.47 each, if you buy 2, shipping is the same as if you buy 4....

I got these for IIRC $8 delivered, within 40 hours of calling.

note:
I'm sharing this from a re-build on "the other place"...
http://zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1152.msg11081#msg11081
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 10:04:30 pm »
I still like the pins better than any of the pannier securing methods. Nice write up MOB!

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2011, 01:55:42 am »
I just pinned mine also.
wasn't to tough.   i got the pins at Lowe's.
  it really locks the bags on, no movement once installed.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2011, 02:32:18 am »
OK, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this fixed on the 2010 and 2011 C14s? If not I'm getting ready for a trip and need to get this done. Had a neighbor loose one of his bags on a BMW and while it stayed closed it looks bad. Don't want this to happen to me.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 08:23:46 am »
OK, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this fixed on the 2010 and 2011 C14s? If not I'm getting ready for a trip and need to get this done. Had a neighbor loose one of his bags on a BMW and while it stayed closed it looks bad. Don't want this to happen to me.
TJ

No! They replaced the original pannier latch on the early production C14's, that were breaking. But it  does not prevent the pannier from being able to come off the bike on a good size bump. I personally would take some kind of precaution, to insure the panniers don't get off the bike before your done riding yourself for the day!
 I agree with MOB on the pin method. I think it gives an extra secure mounting point. Plus they are basically out of sight!

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 03:00:41 pm »
Thanks Cap'n Bob, this goes on my list of things I must do before I head east.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 06:20:54 pm »
i was worried about it, but i didnt want to pin them, so i used a long zip tie wrapped around the bag handle then around the passenger grab handle.
my thought was at least it wasnt going to fall off.

i did 100 mile ride yesterday and the bags are still solidly pinned.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 06:41:02 pm »
i was worried about it, but i didnt want to pin them, so i used a long zip tie wrapped around the bag handle then around the passenger grab handle.
my thought was at least it wasnt going to fall off.

i did 100 mile ride yesterday and the bags are still solidly pinned.

as I open the bags about 3 times on every trip I make, I'd be going thru ty-wraps continually. :))

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2011, 12:49:19 am »
i was worried about it, but i didnt want to pin them, so i used a long zip tie wrapped around the bag handle then around the passenger grab handle.
my thought was at least it wasnt going to fall off.

i did 100 mile ride yesterday and the bags are still solidly pinned.


as I open the bags about 3 times on every trip I make, I'd be going thru ty-wraps continually. :))


you can open the bags ... jsut cant take them off with the ties on there.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2011, 06:22:00 pm »
As fast as zip-ties die (get brittle and break) from the sun here in the SW I wouldn't trust them after a couple of weeks.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2011, 07:00:27 pm »

Zinc-plated Steel Ring-grip Quick-release Pin, 3/16" Diameter, 2.0" Usable Length


All I could find locally was 1-3/4 " pins ... your pins wouldn't happen to stick out a quarter of an inch would they? I'll order the ones you mentioned as they are a lot less expensive but I might be leaving on a trip before they arrive. Thanks.
TJ

Update: Just ordered the pins from McMasters as the place I called didn't really have what they said they did when I got there.  >:(
« Last Edit: May 31, 2011, 09:04:29 pm by 2011Blk »
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2011, 10:25:41 pm »
i used the 1/4" x 1 3/4" pins ... fit great.

i drilled in between the ribs ... so you dont need the full 2" of the width.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2011, 10:36:17 pm »
Still waiting for my pins (they are $10.81 for 4 now) but I might not need them. Decided to drill the 1/8" pilot holes and find something to use just for next week's trip. Found that a 3.5 inch piece of 12 gauge solid strand house wire fits in nicely and is not very noticeable. Now this would be a pain if you plan to remove the bags every night on the road but I don't.
TJ
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 02:53:11 pm by norm-9688 »
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2011, 11:35:29 pm »
I used this type of pin. No problems at all.

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 12:52:46 am »
I used this type of pin. No problems at all.

i like those ... may have to ge a pair of them.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 03:00:25 pm »
I've used detent pins with the ball for years in multiple applications and have never had issue.  I put them in mine (got them at Ace Hardware for a couple bucks each) last year, and have never lost one.  What I like is how fast they pull so you can pull the bags.  When I travel I do take the bags off and bring them in at night.

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2011, 03:22:19 pm »
I've used detent pins with the ball for years in multiple applications and have never had issue.  I put them in mine (got them at Ace Hardware for a couple bucks each) last year, and have never lost one.  What I like is how fast they pull so you can pull the bags.  When I travel I do take the bags off and bring them in at night.

It's not the stealing of them that concerned me as much as the loosing them on a good size bump in the road!  :o

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2011, 04:58:21 pm »
Detent pins make the bakes maybe 3% harder to steal for a smart thief.  Perhaps 50% or more harder for a dumb thief.  LOL


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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2011, 08:21:56 pm »
Still waiting for my pins (they are $10.81 for 4 now) but I might not need them. Decided to drill the 1/8" pilot holes and find something to use just for next week's trip. Found that a 3.5 inch piece of 12 gauge solid strand house wire fits in nicely and is not very noticeable. Now this would be a pain if you plan to remove the bags every night on the road but I don't.
TJ



I'm not trying to be Debby-Downer, but did you drill thru the screw that holds the plastic puck on???
I made a warning in my post about that, it may cause difficult extraction of that screw in the future...

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2011, 05:14:05 pm »
I'm not trying to be Debby-Downer, but did you drill thru the screw that holds the plastic puck on???
I made a warning in my post about that, it may cause difficult extraction of that screw in the future...

Nope, I just missed it.  :) I'd rather be lucky than good.
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2014, 06:40:51 pm »
bag pinning...re-dux







place the bags on the bike, observe the location I showed with relation to the "ribs" on the bag lower yoke, spot the position. pre-drill the first hole using a 1/8" dia bit, this allows you to spot the hole, drill the guide hole, and remove the bags for drilling thru the mount easily with the correct bit.
before you drill anything insure the 2 screws that hold the plastick "puck" onto the mount are securely tightened, this insures a good and consistant assembly.

Drill to final diameter using a 3/16" diameter bit, do not get "sloppy" and rotate the bit and drill around, drill straight thru, this insures a tight interface to keep the pin in it's happy spot. The pins have a ball detent to reduce the chance of backing out, but after hours of banging around they do move...just check them occasionally, and push them back in firmly if they move.

I got these pins from McMaster-Carr, a great source for "stuff" you may need to fix a bike, modify anything, or get any freaking tool you need....they ship fast, cheap, and sometimes for free...I have had parts from them delivered within 36 hours of ordering...they rock!

I ordered 4, just because I wanted spares.....

http://www.mcmaster.com/#98320a020/=ci7v7g

98320A020 4 Each Zinc-plated Steel Ring-grip Quick-release Pin, 3/16" Diameter, 2.0" Usable Length
they are now $1.47 each, if you buy 2, shipping is the same as if you buy 4....

I got these for IIRC $8 delivered, within 40 hours of calling.

note:
I'm sharing this from a re-build on "the other place"...
http://zggtr.org/index.php?topic=1152.msg11081#msg11081


Is 3/16 the max dia. you can go with the hole?
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2014, 07:08:02 pm »
with that pin, YES.
no need for a larger diameter pin.
don't make the hole oversized either, the pin will not stay in.

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 09:04:01 pm »
So I can safely go .25
Only reason I ask is I have a small lock out padlock with .25 shackle diameter .75 wide and 3" long shackle
So I figure this will give me peace of mind with theft and falling off
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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2014, 04:29:09 pm »
So I can safely go .25
Only reason I ask is I have a small lock out padlock with .25 shackle diameter .75 wide and 3" long shackle
So I figure this will give me peace of mind with theft and falling off

I didn't say 1/4" would work, didn't try myself, you'll need to remove the plastic part from the mount and do some measuring to be sure. Think trying to do it like I did would likely end up drilling thru one of the screws...

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Re: bag pinning...re-dux
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2014, 12:29:13 am »
So I can safely go .25
Only reason I ask is I have a small lock out padlock with .25 shackle diameter .75 wide and 3" long shackle
So I figure this will give me peace of mind with theft and falling off

I didn't say 1/4" would work, didn't try myself, you'll need to remove the plastic part from the mount and do some measuring to be sure. Think trying to do it like I did would likely end up drilling thru one of the screws...

Got it ,, guess for now some cable ties for up top for some insurance.. And will look into the pinning thing when I have more time
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