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best oil filter?
« on: September 23, 2018, 08:34:18 am »
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Hello, i`m going to do my first oil change on my 2015 C14. Any input on best oil filter and where to buy. Jim

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 09:54:51 am »
Check the parts directory at the top of this thread and you will see many choices. Most of the auto parts stores sell one or three of the ones that are listed. I have no clue if one is better than another.
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2018, 12:45:39 pm »
I have had great success in all of my bikes and vehicles for many years with a Bosch 3322 filter. Has excellent reviews and various forums and is readily available at a fair price.
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2018, 01:13:45 pm »
I use Napa Gold or Platinum Good quality filters manufactured for Napa by Wix and not over priced. I would leave you with the P/N for the Platinum but the box is on my desk at work besides Kawasaki Concours is listed in the Napa book so any Napa can look it up for you.
BTW they may not stock it so you may have to ask for it a day in advance.
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2018, 08:24:55 am »
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2018, 04:13:30 pm »
I am thinking about going with Mobil M1-110a, but not sure if it fits. It replaces the old M1-110, which is listed under "oil filters" in the parts section. It is $10 at Walmart and good for extended OCI. I am not planning to change the oil for atleast 7500 miles :)
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 10:20:42 pm »
I don't know which filter is best.
I prefer the K&N - 303 because of the hex nut on the end that helps with removal/installation.
The hex comes in very handy. (Available at many auto parts stores)

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 10:30:35 pm »
I don't know which filter is best.
I prefer the K&N - 303 because of the hex nut on the end that helps with removal/installation.
The hex comes in very handy.

Ride safe, Ted

I agree
for the money, it's the one I fall back on...love the built in hex... $10 oil filter price, doesn't mean the filter is better, just costs more...
the factory OEM filter Is reliable also...

best of luck on that 'first filter removal', buy a good set of channel-lok type pliers tool, you will need it.... a regular filter 'cup' wrench will suffice for doing the replacement install tho... tighten by hand, and then another 1/2-3/4 turn... don't need to "torque it" to the book spec...

as for 'first oil changes... during the duration of the break in period"...
I highly suggest using the OEM filters, and reliable Dino oil, until the break in is complete;
this bike came with that combination, and anything oil and filter related, during those criticle periods, is covered by Kaw, if they are used...
I won't jump into an oil thread, and say 'synthetic isn't good', but I will say let the rings fully seat, and valve guides and bearings set in before switching..
I am thinking about going with Mobil M1-110a, but not sure if it fits. It replaces the old M1-110, which is listed under "oil filters" in the parts section. It is $10 at Walmart and good for extended OCI. I am not planning to change the oil for atleast 7500 miles :)

not all 'automotive filters', are suited to motorcycle usage, be aware of this, your car doesn't hit redline at 10k....
and please, do yourself a favor, and change oil and filter on schedule during the break in..
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2018, 09:00:11 am »
As long as an oil filter is properly installed in conjunction with proper oil in the crankcase, it will perform as intended. 

The difference is how much you desire to spend on an oil change.

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2018, 11:50:53 am »
Found this on bobistheoilguy.com

There is no such thing as a "motorcycle" oil filter or a "car" oil filter; they just aren't that "specific". To answer the OP's question directly: there is no difference between car and motorcycle fitlers. Oil filters are oil filters, period. There are different brands and grades and types of construction. But there is no designation for M/C vs. a car.

Filters are designed around specific parameters that the engine manufacturer dictates for a desired result in filtration efficiency, flow, pressure differential, construction demands and size requirements.

"Motorcycle" filters often seem "special" because they are viewed as a replacment part to a luxury item. After all, no one NEEDS a motorcycle, but several of us (including me) have one. It's the perception of the market that we're willing to pay more for a high-end product to protect our baby, but the reality is that spec's are spec's, and as long as a filter meets those specs, then it's available for any given application. If there is anything special about a motorcycle oil filter at a motorcycle shop, it's the price, in that they can often successfully charge their customers more money for a filter that you can get a Napa or AAP for a lot less.

Let me give you a very good example. Go to http://www.wixfilters.com and search for their 51348 filter, and look at the "all applications" link. You'll see that it goes on everything from lawn mowers with air-cooled Koehler engines, to small diesel engines, to Harley-Davidson motorcycles, to Chrysler inline four and V-6 gas engines, to Toyota V-6 and V-8 engines up to 4.7L.

Another example is Wix 51365. It fits all kinds of motorcycles, both air and liquid cooled. But it also fits Infiniti car engines, John Deere tractors with both gas and diesel engines, Komatsu excavators with diesel engines, and a large smattering of Mitsubishi, Mazda, Nissan and Subaru applications.

How about your CBR600F4 oil filter? Wix specifically states to use #51358, which fits a huge list of Honda and Kawasaki applications. It's used on Kia cars and Polaris ATV's. It also is used on a large list of Komatsu construction equipment, and many Kubota products, with both gasoline and diesel engines. Your CBR probably has a redline of greater than 10,000 rpm, and yet this same filter is also used on a diesel engine that runs only 2500 rpm. In fact, the specs for this filter are pretty mundane. Typical flow and pressure ranges. In fact, it's BETA ratio is less than stellar; 2/20 at 13/52? Not exactly a super-fine filter by any definition. And yet this little filter is on hundreds of thousands of engines around the world. And all those engines run for the equivilant of millions of miles.

Interestingly, if you cross reference the Purolator L14610 into Wix, you don't get the 51358 that is suggested for your application by Wix. The x-ref for the L14610 is 51356, which fits (again) a huge list of equipment, including marine engines! It just goes to show you that filter makers take the criteria (specs) of an OEM filter, and then apply one or more suggestions for that application. It shows that interpretations are sometimes different. Different is not wrong! It's just not the same. That's an important concept to understand. Further, since engine OEMs don't typically make their own filters, they just find a filter that meets their particular needs in a catalog (such as from Wix, Purolator, Champion, etc), and then spec that into the BOM (bill of materials) for the engine production plans.

Start to get the point? Filters are not typically designed "only" for a motorcycle. Companies such as Wix and Purolator look for applications that they can meet with a broad product line and then recomend one or more of their offerings to meet a particular flow, construction, filtration and size packaging requirement.

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2018, 12:28:46 pm »
I work in transportation. We mainly run L96 6.0 Chevy and 6.8 2 valve Ford V10 with LPG conversion by Roush. 
Recently we've lost 3 L96 engines to defective oil filters. Filtering media was found to be ok. What had failed was the gasket. As we discovered, the density of material was not consistent on several filter gaskets we've tested from the batch we got from NAPA(Wix).
When tightened properly, rubber gasket is not supposed to compress beyond its minimal thickness and maintain proper seal between filter housing and engine oil cooler adapter. In the case of gaskets that failed, we fond thickness variance from 1/32 to 1/8 of an inch compressed. The defect in gaskets caused oil loss under normal operational conditions, i.e driving. Gasket did not leak with an engine at idle.
Since then NAPA filters have been put on hold. We've returned to using OE filters in both Chevy and Ford engines.

The purpose of my story is to make people aware of even a solid oil filter, from reputable manufacturer, could succumb to defects.   

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2018, 04:10:27 pm »
The only filter I've ever had fail was a Napa Platinum recently on my small block ford stroker.  It took over 5 seconds to get oil pressure, the drainback valve failed.  Less than 10miles on it too.  Full top end inspection revealed no damage but damn I was pissed.  Motorcraft filters only since then...  I'm sure it was freak failure and I still use napa/wix filters on lots of other stuff.

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2018, 06:54:37 pm »
My first oil change produced some colorful language... That oil filter was obnoxiously tight! I actually broke the rubber strap on a strap wrench trying to get it off!

My "cup" type of filter wrench wouldn't budge it and just spun. My regular oil filter wrench (that actually looks more like pliers) could not grip the filter tightly enough and dinged and dented the filter, but wouldn't budge it either.  I tried my adjustable car oil filter wrench but it was too big for the filter.

The solution for me ended up being to put the broken rubber strap inside of the automotive filter wrench and FINALLY I had the right combination of grip, approach angle, torque and cuss words to get the blasted thing off!

I used the factory filter and Kawi standard 10w40 oil for the first change as it's what the bike came with I would imagine.

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2018, 07:07:03 pm »
My first oil change produced some colorful language... That oil filter was obnoxiously tight! I actually broke the rubber strap on a strap wrench trying to get it off!

I had a very similar experience!  My steel band filter wrench wouldn't budge it so I drove to an auto parts store and bought the end cap style wrench, which just spun and smoothed out the end of the filter.  I finally ended up buying a strap type wrench that with the appropriate cuss words broke it loose.   :-[
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2018, 07:51:37 pm »
Found this on bobistheoilguy.com

There is no such thing as a "motorcycle" oil filter or a "car" oil filter; they just aren't that "specific". ....


Many of us have read "BOB", and while he offers a lot of data, it is not a gospel of efficacy.

some filter manufacturers DO warn they don't recommend their 'automobile' filter for Motorcycle use, and subsequently offer a 'motorcycle specific' part... so are they lying?

from our 'sticky' section on aftermarket parts;
https://tinyurl.com/ycqt3u9u

3 pages of comparable (by dimensions) filters, and associated Bypass valve data..
http://oilfilterdata.com/index.php?view=replacements&type=oversize&model=ML16817&page=1

I'm not sure just how many SPOOFAK's are installed on Concours C10 models to date, but the person that spent his time, and money, to flow test many of the filters, to develop, manufacture, patent, and sell his product did a pretty comprehensive listing... and along with customer reports and support, some 'filters' were found that did not offer the flow characteristics desirable to all. The deciding factors in some of the 'non recommended' ones, were found to be restrictive, by virtue of the 'back flow / blocked media & over pressure bypass' function of said filters, or simply because of the media used.

his recommended list is attached, but relates to the zg1000/gtr1000...

(if you put Dan's C10 list, next to the C14 list from our 'sticky'section... you may find some of the exact same filters...  ::) :o :great:  )
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2018, 02:51:19 pm »
HiFlow racing oil filter to suit Kawasaki ZG1400 A8F-EGF Concours ABS (GTR1400) 2008-16 Oil Filter HF303RC. Available from Ebay or Amazon.If you have a magnetic sump plug which are drilled you can tie wire the filter through a hole in the nut to the sump plug or not.

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2018, 02:57:46 pm »
That’s some great info MOB. I will say this though, I would not put it past ANY manufacturer of consumer goods to lie about their products to attract a specific customer base. Virtually all manufacturers care about one thing, and it isn’t you (the consumer).

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2018, 06:51:32 pm »
HiFlow racing oil filter to suit Kawasaki ZG1400 A8F-EGF Concours ABS (GTR1400) 2008-16 Oil Filter HF303RC. Available from Ebay or Amazon.If you have a magnetic sump plug which are drilled you can tie wire the filter through a hole in the nut to the sump plug or not.
interesting..
(I'm missing the justification of tieing a wire from the fliter to a 'drilled' magnetic drain plug in sump tho..)

as we can now see, the K&N, and the HiFlow, share the same canister....hmmmmm......
coincidence?


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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2018, 08:46:28 pm »
(I'm missing the justification of tieing a wire from the fliter to a 'drilled' magnetic drain plug in sump tho..)
Some tracks require you to secure the oil filter and drain plug with safety wire so they don't come unscrewed and spread oil over the track.

yeah, I'm familiar with that, and have done it many times... on track bikes, for racing. :motonoises:
just didn't get the significance of wiring them together to each other.... :??:
when doing safety wires, the shorter the distance to the 'anchor point', the more effective.

most 'tracks' that allow a 'track days event for normal road bikes' don't require that, just tapeing up all the headlight , mirror, and signal plastics, and removing all the 'break away' parts of the bike, to make track cleanup easier afterwards... Sanctioned events pretty much all require it, "open amateur day" at a track, not so much. :rotflmao: :motonoises: :motonoises: :motonoises:

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2018, 11:16:07 am »
My first oil change produced some colorful language... That oil filter was obnoxiously tight! I actually broke the rubber strap on a strap wrench trying to get it off!

I had a very similar experience!  My steel band filter wrench wouldn't budge it so I drove to an auto parts store and bought the end cap style wrench, which just spun and smoothed out the end of the filter.  I finally ended up buying a strap type wrench that with the appropriate cuss words broke it loose.   :-[

Been using mobil1 M110a, and had the SAME experience, even after buying a set of "channel-lock" style pliers to grip the filter end.  I usually end-up crushing the filter in very disturbing ways. 
Effort to not over-tighten the filter have been fruitless to resolve.

Next filter will be the K+N.  A little overpriced, but still cheaper or same cost as the Mobil1.
Synthetic filtration media and back-flow valving is all there.  Not sure about the internals on the hi-flow, but I do occasionally use them on my (cartridge-style) Aprilia.  Have since switched to using K+N on that bike as well.
I use Mobil1 oil in both bikes.

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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2018, 12:37:35 pm »
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Been using mobil1 M110a, and had the SAME experience, even after buying a set of "channel-lock" style pliers to grip the filter end.  I usually end-up crushing the filter in very disturbing ways. 
Effort to not over-tighten the filter have been fruitless to resolve.


Not sure I understand. Do you torque the filter to 14ft/lbs per the book or does the filter tighten itself?

I had a hard time taking off the factory filter (like a lot of people on here), so I don't think it is a good idea to torque it to 14ft/lbs. I will do what I do with all the filters that install on all my motorized vehicles - snug it by hand and then a 1/4 to 1/2 turn more.
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2018, 03:21:50 pm »
I prefer the K&N 303 also because of the hex nut on it. IMHO timely oil changes and preventative maintenance will do more to protect your bike than using one type of filter over another (provided they are within specs).
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2018, 10:08:33 pm »
 :iagree:

I change oil more often than recommendation.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2018, 10:59:37 pm »
I use the Napa  and when I cant get it off 'the old screw driver thru the filter always works' :beerchug:
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Re: best oil filter?
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2018, 11:42:54 pm »
No matter what filter you use, I recommend Murph’s oil filter protector. I pop riveted a simple metal tab to it, and it contacts the oil pan, so there is no way the filter can ever spin loose.

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