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Brake rotor opinions
« on: June 21, 2017, 11:23:36 am »
Has anybody used BikeMaster brake rotors on their C14?

Opinions? Pros? Cons?

I have to replace both front rotors (mine are due after years of stop and go traffic in town, etc.) and they are almost $100 less than the OEM Kawa part.

And, no, I don't want to go for the really inexpensive chinese ones, so I'll skip that suggestion.

Looking forward to your comments!

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2017, 01:29:47 pm »
I cannot answer your Q, I went with Brake-Techs SS full floating rotors. I bought the 330mm big brake kit. Expensive but I will never have to replace them ever again. They cost about the same as OEM BTW.

I have 70K on ZX14 with the same Brake-Techs. Love them!

I have the Axis stainless steel versions. http://braketech.com/axis-iron-rotors-2/

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2017, 03:35:06 pm »
Chris,
You might want to reconsider on the china rotors. There are a lot of them being used by folks on here with great success. I bought a set for a second set of wheels I had but then sold. I sold the rotors to another cogger who is currently running them with ZERO issues. 165$ US for a PAIR is a pretty great price.
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2017, 05:49:48 pm »
Wow, didn't realize OEM rotors are so pricey, more than tires alone. I really like Greg's suggestion for the Brake-Techs! I might replace mine middle or end of summer. Thanks!

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2017, 07:38:13 pm »
I went with the EBC Wave rotors that Murph sells,   seems to work well
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 08:55:55 pm »
For the prices of Murph's EBC XC rotors, $220  vs  BrakeTech $320, I'll get these from Murph's soon. Thank you! I like the info for the EBC XC stuff... https://ebcbrakes.com/product/floating-mc-rotors/

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 09:38:55 pm »
I have run EBC and Galfers and OEM.. The Chinese cheap ones are excellent- no issues and i would buy them again.
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 11:55:07 pm »
Just beware....several of us have had to shim the ABS sensor with washers to back it off the tone ring. Seems the rotor hub is thicker than OEM resulting in serious pulsation as the tone ring contacts the ABS sensor. Honestly, if the hub was machined 1.5mm to receive the tone ring, these rotors would be about as good as anything 2x their price.

....and BTW, the gold look just amazing with Ohlins or ZX-14 gold fork tubes >:D

Damn.....better yet, can you mill the tone ring into the hub? That would be phat....can I patent that?

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2017, 03:38:55 am »
...and I'm the Cogger Matt refers to who is running the Chinese rotors I purchased from him -- and he's right, zero issues.  You do have to put a washer under the ABS sensor bolt to get the spec'd clearance.  And, BTW, the minimum service value stamped on the ones I purchased from Matt is 4mm vs. 4.5mm stock.

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2018, 12:50:38 am »
Looking for some direction - is there a particular brand of "cheap Chinese rotors"? And have you guys been buying them from eBay or a vendor? Any help is appreciated. I've been riding my 2012 for a few months (new to me) now trying to decide if I actually have very slightly (and annoying) warped rotors or if I'm just feeling the not so accurate ABS somehow activating. Either way I don't like it.....Thanks in advance.

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2018, 09:43:15 am »
+1 on the EBC's. I got mine from Murph as well. I was not impressed with the OEM's. I looked at the Brake Tech's but decided to save a few bucks with the EBC's. They've been rock solid.
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2018, 10:32:49 am »
Looking for some direction - is there a particular brand of "cheap Chinese rotors"? And have you guys been buying them from eBay or a vendor? Any help is appreciated. I've been riding my 2012 for a few months (new to me) now trying to decide if I actually have very slightly (and annoying) warped rotors or if I'm just feeling the not so accurate ABS somehow activating. Either way I don't like it.....Thanks in advance.

These look like the ones i'm running:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-For-KAWASAKI-08-12-Ninja-ZX10R-GTR-1400-ZZR-1400-Gold/273229233937?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52935%26meid%3D2006926420764a62912bee940246a881%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D232756022906%26itm%3D273229233937&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2018, 12:09:13 pm »
We should try and source just the shims to move the calipers  outward and then a link to a pair of 320mm  or 330mm  rotors.   Stock is C14  is 310 if I remember correctly.
My old C10 had a big brake kit at 320mm and I never wore those rotors out in 100k  really hard driven miles.
I would love a set of 330mm rotors on my C14 - better yet Chineese 330mm rotors.
The braking would be awesome and you would never wear out  those rotors

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2018, 01:05:56 pm »
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2018, 02:18:20 pm »
Looking for some direction - is there a particular brand of "cheap Chinese rotors"? And have you guys been buying them from eBay or a vendor? Any help is appreciated. I've been riding my 2012 for a few months (new to me) now trying to decide if I actually have very slightly (and annoying) warped rotors or if I'm just feeling the not so accurate ABS somehow activating. Either way I don't like it.....Thanks in advance.

Chances are you just have brake pad deposits built up on the rotors causing the pulsating. Remove the wheel & clean the rotor abrasively with brake cleaner using a scotch brite pad. Most likely it will go away. I do this every time I mount new tires.

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2018, 02:39:14 pm »
Morning Bio!
I clicked the link you provided (thank you) they look correct but their drop down indicates they are not compatible with C14's.  Did you note this discrepancy when you picked them out?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-For-KAWASAKI-08-12-Ninja-ZX10R-GTR-1400-ZZR-1400-Gold/273229233937?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52935%26meid%3D2006926420764a62912bee940246a881%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D232756022906%26itm%3D273229233937&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851#vi-ilComp
Thanks!
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Hmmm, Hard to recall- as it was 2+ yrs ago....
BTW, Ebay is having a sale for the next 12 hrs, using code PREGAME15 will save you another 15% upon checkout, bringing them down to $134 for a set, pretty sweet deal!
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PS: Aren't the brakes and rotors the same as the ZX14s?
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2018, 02:51:14 pm »
I thought the ZX-14's were the same as later model C-14's, but were interchangeable with all C-14's..
  ie; I think the earlier C-14's had a slightly different design. I think the OD was the same, but the mounting hub was slightly different..

Cliff sed: Chances are you just have brake pad deposits built up on the rotors causing the pulsating. Remove the wheel & clean the rotor abrasively with brake cleaner using a scotch brite pad. Most likely it will go away. I do this every time I mount new tires.

That's good info! certainly worth a try before buying new.
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2018, 07:16:55 pm »
Looking for some direction - is there a particular brand of "cheap Chinese rotors"? And have you guys been buying them from eBay or a vendor? Any help is appreciated. I've been riding my 2012 for a few months (new to me) now trying to decide if I actually have very slightly (and annoying) warped rotors or if I'm just feeling the not so accurate ABS somehow activating. Either way I don't like it.....Thanks in advance.

Chances are you just have brake pad deposits built up on the rotors causing the pulsating. Remove the wheel & clean the rotor abrasively with brake cleaner using a scotch brite pad. Most likely it will go away. I do this every time I mount new tires.

Cliff   :beerchug:

I did this a few years back on my first gen ZX-14, and it did the trick for me as well! 

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2018, 11:43:28 pm »
Thanks for the replies - I'm not interested in cleaning the rotors and sanding the pads... For less than a few hundred I'd rather slap a new set on. Composites building up on rotors is not a normal occurrence and it's not a part of any regular service to spend time sanding rotors so for me replacement is the only way to go. I do appreciate the feedback though - cheers.

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2018, 11:56:27 pm »
I've just ordered these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283119125728


I'll update in a few weeks when they arrive, get installed and get ridden hard ;)

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2018, 12:04:55 am »
Thanks for the replies - I'm not interested in cleaning the rotors and sanding the pads... For less than a few hundred I'd rather slap a new set on. Composites building up on rotors is not a normal occurrence and it's not a part of any regular service to spend time sanding rotors so for me replacement is the only way to go. I do appreciate the feedback though - cheers.

sounds like a typical case of too much money, zero maintenance desire to me.. something as simple as this, especially when we have found the OEM pad compounds over the years to have changed, due to pad material migration, which takes 20 minutes to clean...

kinda like buying a new bike, when the old one gets dirty in my opinion...

sorry.... it's your bike, and your money.

as for the ZX14 rotors...
Morning Bio!
I clicked the link you provided (thank you) they look correct but their drop down indicates they are not compatible with C14's.  Did you note this discrepancy when you picked them out?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-For-KAWASAKI-08-12-Ninja-ZX10R-GTR-1400-ZZR-1400-Gold/273229233937?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D52935%26meid%3D2006926420764a62912bee940246a881%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D232756022906%26itm%3D273229233937&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851#vi-ilComp
Thanks!
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Hmmm, Hard to recall- as it was 2+ yrs ago....
BTW, Ebay is having a sale for the next 12 hrs, using code PREGAME15 will save you another 15% upon checkout, bringing them down to $134 for a set, pretty sweet deal!
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PS: Aren't the brakes and rotors the same as the ZX14s?
yeah, the rotors are dimensional the same, just differences in paint, but that ad also stated they don't fit the ZX14 application either...
so, even if you can't find them for a C14, if you find ZX14 rotors from 06 thru current model, they fit.

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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2018, 12:07:55 am »
I've just ordered these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283119125728


I'll update in a few weeks when they arrive, get installed and get ridden hard ;)

Just be real careful on your first ride and know you may have to shim the ABS sensor- the first time I installed them I had a severe- almost dangerous, braking condition, as the tone ring is moved closer to the ABS sensor due to increased thickness of the rotor hub....tho maybe this may have changed of course.
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2018, 12:25:04 am »
I've just ordered these:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283119125728


I'll update in a few weeks when they arrive, get installed and get ridden hard ;)

Just be real careful on your first ride and know you may have to shim the ABS sensor- the first time I installed them I had a severe- almost dangerous, braking condition, as the tone ring is moved closer to the ABS sensor due to increased thickness of the rotor hub....tho maybe this may have changed of course.

simple answer is to measure the clearance, and don't 'ride it' to find that out... it's in the FSM, stick a feeler gauge in behind the sensor, and the timing wheel, and measure it... adjust if needed to the OEM specified clearance... save your sensor, don't trash it...
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Re: Brake rotor opinions
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2018, 12:50:51 am »
Thanks for the replies - I'm not interested in cleaning the rotors and sanding the pads... For less than a few hundred I'd rather slap a new set on. Composites building up on rotors is not a normal occurrence and it's not a part of any regular service to spend time sanding rotors so for me replacement is the only way to go. I do appreciate the feedback though - cheers.

The only problem with that, is that if it is deposits on the rotors, as was the case with many, mine included, the issue will return if you use pads that leave deposits. So, you will have to clean the new rotors, or replace them again.

I have cleaned mine, replaced pads, and now, they need cleaned again. But, I haven't had to spend money on replacing rotors, and cleaning them takes less time than removing and installing new rotors.

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2018, 12:58:26 am »
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