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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2018, 10:47:26 pm »
You wouldn't really lose a slot.  The passive ones roll over.  They are not permanent. Remember you need to have all passive chips present when using the KDS to program the ecu for another passive chip. 
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2018, 11:13:27 pm »
You wouldn't really lose a slot.  The passive ones roll over.  They are not permanent. Remember you need to have all passive chips present when using the KDS to program the ecu for another passive chip. 

If you have a locksmith clone the passive fob it has the same ID as the one that you are cloning from.  There is no KDS Programming required.

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2018, 10:10:50 am »

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I see they run about $10 each... so the locksmith is making his profit on it for sure.. hope he doesn't charge an additional fee, to 'press a button and clone it'... sure... that would be a bend over moment for sure...seeing as a passive card key, which still needs to be programmed to the KDS/ECU runs $39 from Kaw..    cloning a chip makes it simple, as it's a clone of an existing ECU recognized chip. A winner all around, as you don't loose a 'key' code slot in the ECU for it.

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2018, 08:47:05 pm »
As I said in my post the JMA TPX2 blanks may not work in a non JMA programmer.  They did not work in my local guys programmer.  He read my passive fob and programmed a chip that he had to work.  I purchased a couple of blank JMA blanks for abt $15.00 each but they were worthless with the locksmith I used.


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I agree, unless he had a JMA EVO programmer, he couldn't use the JMA keys...

after watching both the vids, I simply cannot find any indication or explanation of what key blank was actually used as a cloning key, and the FIRST person to actually post this chip number was Syxxphive, 2 days ago.. so with that said, i have no idea how you found the info from the vids, to buy a blank.... that you said didn't work; (which I do believe)...  depending on which machine he actually used, it's entirely possible it wasn't 'seen', as speccific manufacturers of the blanks, require specific readers.. in most cases, but new tech is now available, and JMA has a system thay is pretty broad and robust.

EDIT:
I have to assume he programmed the chip he supplied (one of the blanks noted in the next response about which keys have what in them) , using his programmer which was not a JMA programmer.

the programmer should have been able to tell you exactly what chip was in the keys you bought, but I guess you didn't ask him... that would have been a beneficial addition in data for everyone, or at least more than "I bought this key, and the programmer couldn't program it"..
I don't think any of us, including you, really know the exact chip in those non working keys...

I wouldn't have bought, or suggested to buy, 'a couple key blanks' from what I saw in those vids...
I would however, have no problem buying a single chip, now that the chip number has been found, and have it in my pocket when I ask the key guide to read my passive chip, and try to clone it once he sees the chip data, onto the $10 chip I brought with me... if it didn't work, no big deal to me. $10 vs $xx when experimenting, is worth my time and effort to find out.
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that is, if my programmer has a JMA manufactured programmer.. which I will ask about over the phone, before riding over to find he doesn't..

some light reading about programming, and machines/software, etc.,

https://www.locksmithledger.com/article/10755393/transponders-applications-programming-cloning-and-retrofit


from the link above;

"New cloning machines are available from Jet Hardware and JMA in addition to the cloning equipment from Advanced Diagnostics, Bianchi, Kaba Ilco, KeylessRide and other companies. These include Advanced Diagnostics AD900, Bianchi 884 Decryptor Ultegra, Jet Hardware iClone, JMA TRS-5000 Evo, Kaba Ilco RW4 Plus and the KeylessRide Zed-BULL* cloning devices.

The Jet Hardware iClone can clone clonable transponder chips, ampoules and many electronic keys. According to JMA, “the new TRS-5000 Evo can read most electronic keys and clonable transponders, cloning them onto JMA’s proprietary TPX1, TPX2, TPX3 and TPX4 glass tag transponders.”

I'll report back after I get the chip I'm ordering, and run down to the programmer.
I'm not buying a 'key', just a chip....

oh, yeah, I just got a 'low battery' warning on my transponder today.... :-[
dammit, now I have to spend $4 on silly batteries....  :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I'm not complaining...this will be the 4th battery replacement in 11 years...

the 2 available Ford JMA keys, do require specific cloning reader, to program said 'key', but that doesn't mean the KAWASAKI chip, can't be read by another machine, and cloned to a comparable chip.... as we don't know exactly 'WHO's" chip is in the Kaw part....unless I missed that...

JMA-TPX2-FO30D.P FORD CLONE (H84PT) TRANSPONDER
MANUFACTURER   JMA USA
TYPE   Cloneable TPX2
CHIP IDENTIFICATION   TPX2 Clone
PROGRAMS WITH   JMA TRS500 W/TPX
MAKE   Ford

JMA-TPX2-FO15D.P FORD CLONE (H74,H86PT) TRANSPONDER
MANUFACTURER   JMA USA
TYPE   Cloneable TPX2
CHIP IDENTIFICATION   TPX2 Clone
PROGRAMS WITH   JMA TRS500 W/TPX
MAKE   Ford

again, I have no I.D. on the actual key used, during the failed attempt....

that would be good to know....
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2018, 11:07:02 pm »
further research into the mysterious "FORD" keys shows;
the ILKO keys, use a Texas Inst programmer...
6 keys exist for Ford (which by the way, most of them can be programmed "on board" thru the Ford vehicle.)

http://locksmithstore.com/key-blanks/automotive/transponder.html?manufacturer=1144&tranpsonderkey_make=1655&transponderkey_procedure=185&transponderkey_type=1759

Jet keys has one ford key
JT-H72-PHT-T CLEAR HEAD 8 CUT FORD T'PDR
MANUFACTURER   Jet Keys
TYPE   Program Key
CHIP IDENTIFICATION   4C Texas Encrypted
PROGRAMS WITH   Tool / On Board
MAKE   Ford

SPYder makes 4 chip keys
http://locksmithstore.com/key-blanks/automotive/transponder.html?manufacturer=2951&tranpsonderkey_make=1655

Strattec makes 7 keys

http://locksmithstore.com/key-blanks/automotive/transponder.html?manufacturer=2905&tranpsonderkey_make=1655&transponderkey_type=1759

all above are Texas programs...

so now we narrow it down to the JMA TPX2 blank, and a Texas chip blank... the later of which requires the Texas programmer, which will likely NOT read or program the JMA chip. (I'm thinking the JMA chip, and programmer has been developed to specifically emulate, and directly be used to copy to/from the proprietary Texas chips, which there are quite a few different ones out there).

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2018, 03:01:30 pm »
Sorry guys, I was away the whole weekend, we went touring north east ontario, around Perth area, just beautiful! Probably the last overnighter of the season, temps were around 7C, and it was chilly.

The key model I will provide tonight, my apologies for the delay! I'll send pics :)
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2018, 09:46:54 pm »
Guys third time I’m trying to post a f’ing photo fml why is it so complicated!?  >:(
Anyway, the model key is Yama 26D.P2
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2018, 10:38:29 pm »
Guys third time I’m trying to post a f’ing photo fml why is it so complicated!?  >:(
Anyway, the model key is Yama 26D.P2

that's ok.... appears to be a JMA key...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JMA-transponder-key-shell-Yamaha-YAMA-26D-P2-/281687254794

https://www.lockpicks.com/yamaha-motorcycle-chipless.html

https://americankeysupply.com/product/yamaha-cycle-transponder-key-shell-ym63-style-jma-yama-26d-p2

https://www.autotechlocksmith.com/41-motorcycles/2615-yamaha-transponder-key-shell-ym63-tp00yama-26dp2.html


that is the "key SHELL", without a chip, it will accept a TPX2 chip, which is available all over...

Nice to know that key blank does work tho... would be worthwhile to buy a couple, if they can be cut to match the locks as you noted... great news...
But I will say, the C14 keys do have a "left and right" configuration, some locks may be the opposite of that key's 'side slotting', so I'll have to compare it visually, against my key, before I buy any...

thanks  :great: :great: :great: :great:
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2018, 10:55:23 pm »
Guys third time I’m trying to post a f’ing photo fml why is it so complicated!?  >:(
Anyway, the model key is Yama 26D.P2

that's ok.... appears to be a JMA key...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/JMA-transponder-key-shell-Yamaha-YAMA-26D-P2-/281687254794

https://www.lockpicks.com/yamaha-motorcycle-chipless.html

https://americankeysupply.com/product/yamaha-cycle-transponder-key-shell-ym63-style-jma-yama-26d-p2

https://www.autotechlocksmith.com/41-motorcycles/2615-yamaha-transponder-key-shell-ym63-tp00yama-26dp2.html


that is the "key SHELL", without a chip, it will accept a TPX2 chip, which is available all over...

Nice to know that key blank does work tho... would be worthwhile to buy a couple, if they can be cut to match the locks as you noted... great news...
But I will say, the C14 keys do have a "left and right" configuration, some locks may be the opposite of that key's 'side slotting', so I'll have to compare it visually, against my key, before I buy any...

thanks  :great: :great: :great: :great:

Anytime MOB!  :beerchug:
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2018, 11:07:21 pm »
I've added this information to our database, and it all can be seen here, along with the pictorial of left/right key numbers from Kaw...

http://forum.cog-online.org/general-information-57/key-blanks-75052/msg647429/#msg647429


on a side note.... all I can say now, for myself, is DaMMMMIT... >:( >:( >:(

my keys are right handed ones... I'll keep looking...
now, everyone run and find your keys... and report back.... If when looking at the key, the Slotting is on the left side... you are blessed....
if it's on the right side.... cry like I'm doing right now... :'(
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2018, 02:45:37 pm »
Rich, luckily,, mine is a left…

I might be missing something (again). I don't think all is lost for ya'll rightee's..
    Can't those (like you) that have a right,,, still use it as a spare passive FOB?
          ie: It doesn't have to fit in the key slot to be a spare passive FOB..

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2018, 05:11:51 pm »
Rich, luckily,, mine is a left…

I might be missing something (again). I don't think all is lost for ya'll rightee's..
    Can't those (like you) that have a right,,, still use it as a spare passive FOB?
          ie: It doesn't have to fit in the key slot to be a spare passive FOB..

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Certainly can be used for the chip in it. Just won’t open any of your locks.

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2018, 05:15:35 pm »
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2018, 08:25:09 pm »
Would this be the right side key?

http://www.keyblankdepot.com/product_p/jma3036.htm


woweee.... your link kindA SCARED ME, AS IT WAS A DRAWING, AND SUSPICIOUS, BUT i FOUND A PHOTO...
Hopefully its configuration works, I have to do a quick check..... but it may...
if so, Thank you greatly, as I got tired of searching the other day, without finding a r/h slotted blank...
http://www.keynet.com/jma-kawasaki-transponder-key-shell-kw16-style-tp00kaw-9-p1/
hang tight, I'll check...

I cross referenced locks and keys, from the Ninja models, and as they are all 'chip keys', and none without Chip like the C14 has as 'spares', I can't say for sure... but I'd bet it works as a r/h key...
I'll buy one, and have it in hand shortly, and see if I can get it 'cut' to match mine...., then I'll get chips and clone it... heck, for $2.50 a key, it's worth the price for the blanks alone..

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2018, 03:43:48 am »
So’s what one’a you guys oughta do is figure out the chip and key to use, and then sell the combo to those of us that don’t feel like wading through all of the threads.

I wouldn’t need the key for anything other than a chip holder, as I have the knob mod for the bags, the givi key stays in the trunk until I leave the bike, and the stove knob never gets taken out of the ignition.

It would be nice to carry that as a spare when 1000 miles away from home.

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2018, 09:33:49 pm »
So’s what one’a you guys oughta do is figure out the chip and key to use, and then sell the combo to those of us that don’t feel like wading through all of the threads.

I wouldn’t need the key for anything other than a chip holder, as I have the knob mod for the bags, the givi key stays in the trunk until I leave the bike, and the stove knob never gets taken out of the ignition.

It would be nice to carry that as a spare when 1000 miles away from home.

did you read the posts I made above?
I clearly gave out the part numbers, and links to their purchase points....
pretty simple to buy the blaank, and the chip...

the toughest part is finding someone in your area, to clone the chip to your existing chip, using a JMA EVO programmer. But still, I linked those people also...

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2018, 10:24:35 pm »
I sure did read your post. Did you read mine, or just ignore the part about not wading through everything? Or do you just need someone to rub your mad spot?

I’d rather do a one-stop shop and give someone a few bucks for making the effort to get it all together. If that isn’t you, no biggie.

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« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2018, 12:29:18 pm »

Yep. Take the wallet key. Or have them actually pry out the little chip in the big fob.

Just curious ....asking jwh25 or the gurus with smarts......instead of prying out the little chip could you not just remove the battery from the active fob and have the machine search for the RFID?

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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2018, 05:26:42 pm »

Yep. Take the wallet key. Or have them actually pry out the little chip in the big fob.

Just curious ....asking jwh25 or the gurus with smarts......instead of prying out the little chip could you not just remove the battery from the active fob and have the machine search for the RFID?

yes.
that will work also.  Maybe... the recepticle is knda small tho.. not positive the fob will fully fit
the EVO looks like this, so you can see what I mean...


there are 3 JMA model programming machines, the EVO model, which is used to program the specific JMA chip used for the C14 has a knd of "cup" recess, that you drop the master key/fob/chiped device into, during the copy process... it will see the RF chip no problemo.
I'm always worried about devices tho, so I suggested popping the chip out, just to insure nothing happens to the circuitry on the active fob. Kinda an insurance that nothing bad could result.
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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2018, 05:41:34 pm »
I sure did read your post. Did you read mine, or just ignore the part about not wading through everything? Or do you just need someone to rub your mad spot?

I’d rather do a one-stop shop and give someone a few bucks for making the effort to get it all together. If that isn’t you, no biggie.

no problem, I get what you are saying, didn't rub my bad spot... :beerchug: :beerchug:

so, the question I'll ask is, "what would you consider a fair price, for a key and installed chip, delivered to you", mind you it will still need to be cloned..

if the money is there, I'd buy a couple dozen key blanks, and chips, and package them... but as there are 2 different blanks (L/H & R/H), I'd need a 'body count' on who needs which blank, as I would buy them in quantity, and don't want to sit on $200 worth of key blanks and pieces. The chips, are all the same so that won't be an issue.

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2018, 11:40:01 pm »

I am trying to do the math.

Here is what I did -

Got the "spare fob key" from partzilla for ~$35, got that programmed for $50, bought a switchblade looking blank key off ebay for $3.80, got that cut for $5.00. I put that on the bike (undisclosed location ;) ) and put the spare fob key in another undisclosed location that needs the key to access. So I am out ~$100.00 but guaranteed access to the bike - and I feel reasonably safe as far as theft goes. One of the guys at the local Kawi dealer wasn't able to use the spare fob key to start the bike, so I highly doubt some random thief would know how to do it.

So this solution will probably work out to be - ~$2.50 for the key, TPX2 RFID ~$30.00, cloning ~$40.00 (at the local locksmith guy) - about $75.00. A savings of about $25 and maybe don't have to use a slot in the KIPASS.

Would that be a fair assessment?
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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2018, 03:27:58 am »
I sure did read your post. Did you read mine, or just ignore the part about not wading through everything? Or do you just need someone to rub your mad spot?

I’d rather do a one-stop shop and give someone a few bucks for making the effort to get it all together. If that isn’t you, no biggie.

no problem, I get what you are saying, didn't rub my bad spot... :beerchug: :beerchug:

so, the question I'll ask is, "what would you consider a fair price, for a key and installed chip, delivered to you", mind you it will still need to be cloned..

if the money is there, I'd buy a couple dozen key blanks, and chips, and package them... but as there are 2 different blanks (L/H & R/H), I'd need a 'body count' on who needs which blank, as I would buy them in quantity, and don't want to sit on $200 worth of key blanks and pieces. The chips, are all the same so that won't be an issue.

Well, the benefit of not burning a slot is pretty good, along with a lot lower investment level. If it’s $300ish for a new fob/programming, I’d say $75 for a key/chip and then the programming cost is an excellent deal. If I saw the right $ numbers in the other threads, that should net about $30 profit per unit for the trouble. If my number is off, throw out a ballpark $ and see what kind of interest you generate. I’m pretty sure that I’d get a total of 4, since i know 3 other riders here in town.

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2018, 10:16:22 am »
Did a 2008 come with any passive fobs? I spoke with the original owner and all he remembers is getting the two active fobs. It would be nice to have a backup plan!

Offline Syxxphive

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2018, 12:46:59 pm »
Did a 2008 come with any passive fobs? I spoke with the original owner and all he remembers is getting the two active fobs. It would be nice to have a backup plan!

No sir. 08-09 had two active fobs. But they each have a passive chip in them for when the fob battery dies. You can still get an emergency “credit card” passive fob from the dealer and have them programmed. All passive chips must be present. Or go the route mentioned in this thread and have a chip cloned.

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Re: Cheap & "easy" passive fob spare - no KDS required
« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2018, 02:20:30 pm »
I have an 08 and two active FOB's.  Instead of removing the chip for cloning, would simply removing the FOB battery (easy to do on my FOB's) accomplish the same thing and turn off the active portion of the FOB? :beerchug:
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