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Title: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: IngolfStern on April 26, 2017, 02:20:26 pm
AH. good. Thanks.

As to the Pelican case. I realized it was a dumb question and then just did a google image search.
I decided to go with a small case (Pelican 1170) for tools and a flat kit since I don't like that big eskimo/dog house look back there (seems also to be dynamically unstable).

Goes off to search for tool kit thread.

Edit: after watching about 20 videos, I am absolutely going with that Dynaplug thingy. I don't see that there's an alternative that's even close. Now I only have to decide whether to carry a pump or some CO2 cartridges.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: jwh20 on April 26, 2017, 06:35:50 pm
The nice thing about a pump vs. CO2 is that as long as you have gasoline and can run the engine, you can generate power to run the pump.  With CO2, when you're used your last cartridge, you're done.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: IngolfStern on April 26, 2017, 09:15:20 pm
yeah i just watched a guy put like 6 CO2's in his Diavel rear tire and get like 32 psi.
I am thinking bicycle pump. those things can go like 100 psi.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: ron203 on April 26, 2017, 10:40:45 pm
I asked, too then found out it was in the owner's manual.

Thing about those bicycle pumps is not the pressure, it's the volume. LOTS of pumping right there, I'm thinking.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Gdub on April 26, 2017, 11:18:04 pm
Thing about those bicycle pumps is not the pressure, it's the volume. LOTS of pumping right there, I'm thinking.

+1

Bicycle tires have a tiny volume. You'll get Mr. Olympia arms before you get a full tire if you try using a portable bicycle pump on a 190 rear tire.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 26, 2017, 11:23:26 pm
Jeebus...
Just buy one of these and be done with it already.... ::) :-[ :-X :truce: :nananana:

(http://www.collectionsetc.com/images/product/large/large_39208.jpg)

Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: gPink on April 26, 2017, 11:24:55 pm
call in the next ten minutes and they'll double the offer..... :truce:
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: ron203 on April 26, 2017, 11:37:45 pm
Or the $12.99 one like I got at Autozone when I discovered a half flat tire on my car and didn't want to change it. Now I have a backup to my Slime one I keep on the bike.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Goldenhornplayer on April 27, 2017, 12:23:55 pm
MOB--Are you saying you have one of these "Air Dragons"? If so, does it actually work as advertised or is it a piece of junk? I find it hard to believe it actually pumps up a car tire as quickly as the ad shows.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: IngolfStern on April 27, 2017, 01:08:15 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1EOZwQzP7g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1EOZwQzP7g)

Air Dragon looks like some run-of-the-mill Chinese POS.

I think the thing with micro-pumps is the same thing as with bicycle pumps: size of pump vs volume of air required. A tiny pump has to execute a shitload of strokes to get to the required volume of air for a tire like a 190. That places a big load on the pump and requires a lot of energy. And so you get heat from pump strokes and a lot of battery draw. I guess it comes down to how much weight you want to carry  on your bike and your estimate of the likelihood of having to do a flat repair.

I am going with the Dyna Plug and a bicycle pump. I'll carry Power Bars instead of batteries.

Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: SVonhof on April 27, 2017, 02:56:03 pm
I had a flat on my previous bike (TL1000R) front tire and with 3 CO2 cartridges, got it to ~22 lbs. Enough to get me over the hill and to a gas station to finish pumping it up.

I now carry one of these pumps:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vINq6-SbL._SL1043_.jpg)
https://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4 (https://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4)

Along with a plug kit. The pump is small and fits easily in the trunk.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 27, 2017, 05:05:51 pm

Air Dragon looks like some run-of-the-mill Chinese POS.

I think the thing with micro-pumps is the same thing as with bicycle pumps: size of pump vs volume of air required. A tiny pump has to execute a shitload of strokes to get to the required volume of air for a tire like a 190. That places a big load on the pump and requires a lot of energy. And so you get heat from pump strokes and a lot of battery draw. I guess it comes down to how much weight you want to carry  on your bike and your estimate of the likelihood of having to do a flat repair.

I am going with the Dyna Plug and a bicycle pump. I'll carry Power Bars instead of batteries.

Well, we all have our preferences... and some of us have made them AFTER trying the alternatives....that's why we give advice...
I don't own an AirDragon, but a pal does, and I checked it out and tried it on a tire... it works as prescribed, and it is the cig lighter plug in version, pretty cheap for price,
I have a CH box type, I've had it for almost 15 years, cost me $15 at wallyworld back then... I've inflated at least 15 bike tires, for myself, and other folks (that had CO2 and mini bicycle pumps.....),
And frankly if I have a simple nail puncture I can plug and fill and be riding in less than 5 minutes total time...after wiping my hands off and repacking my kit....
Simple gummy rope worms, a generous amount of fresh glue, and the pokey tools for inserting... I have it down to a science....
When you have to use your kit, I hope you at least have experimented on its function prior, because at 4 a.m., in BFE, the joke ain't funny...

Just sharing MY personal experience. :great:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170427/107524ef76e9776ef4b2f1fa8bc0ed2e.jpg)

Oh, and a folding emergency reflector might save your life someday....

No energy bars required.... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170427/9ea8832eded1b4fbdcf744215202d60d.jpg)

I've used the Slime pumps, and they are also a good product, no complaints except for cost.

One thing to remember tho, and again, this is from personal experiences doing these roadside... when a tire is completely flat... it takes time...

But, when you are repairing a puncture that is still somewhat inflated, using a plug kit, the first thing I do is install the pump, and get itnrunning, to begin inflation... this allows a much easier plugging process, as a tire with pressure plugs faster than a flat one... and seals more reliably... so that said, it kinda explains the reason a hand pump is pretty much a bummer, besides all the sweating and pumping....
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Victor Salisbury on April 27, 2017, 05:34:23 pm
+1 on the slime inflator, I've used mine 5 times (2 cars, and 3 bikes), and using the gummy rope plugs. I did have a Dynaplug kit once, and after trying it out in the garage, got rid of it. Configuring the plugs was a royal pain in the butt to me and was not that easy to plug a tire that was off the bike. And I've plugged a many tires over the decades. I couldn't imagine trying to use it on the side of the road, in the dark, rain,,,,,blah blah blah.
The rope plugs with the T-handle had been, and will stay, my go to tire plug method.
Just my 0.02

I had a flat on my previous bike (TL1000R) front tire and with 3 CO2 cartridges, got it to ~22 lbs. Enough to get me over the hill and to a gas station to finish pumping it up.

I now carry one of these pumps:

https://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4 (https://www.amazon.com/Slime-40001-Motorcycle-Tire-Inflator/dp/B000ET9SB4)

Along with a plug kit. The pump is small and fits easily in the trunk.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: C14lvr on April 27, 2017, 07:59:26 pm
One thing to keep in mind...
If you have a flat and it breaks the bead, the small CO2 cartridges don't produce enough pressure to pop it back on, nor would a small compressor, or a bicycle tire pump for that matter.

They make large CO2 cartridges for just this purpose. Pricey, but could really come in handy if you end up in a jamb...
Bob
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: mattchewn on April 27, 2017, 08:45:35 pm
Something else to consider when buying a cheap electric pump;
These pumps ( most of them anyway),are not made to last through a lot of use. They are made to sell to a lot of people who will put them in the trunk and forget about them. After what I would consider minimal usage ( some less than 30 minutes of actual usage, NOT CONTINUAL but in total) many of these pumps have failed miserably. There is a reason they are so cheap. I have personally seen several of the Slime pumps crap out at the worst possible time after very little use. I will never buy one of them. I have a electric compressor that I converted to run off of a LiPo battery pack. I have inflated more tires than I care to think about and it has hours and hours of actual use on it with no issues so far. It is 4 years old now. I did get it for 30$ from HF as a field use for RC aircraft landing gear and it has served all of its' life inflating tires big and small instead.
I feel like I have already gotten my $$$ worth and it still works perfectly.
Matt
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: ron203 on April 27, 2017, 09:58:02 pm
I have a Slime pump and ropes on the bike and the $12.99 pumped up a tire on an Altima I didn't care to change in nice clothes at an Autozone in 85 degree weather. I pumped the tire while I stood and shot the breeze with a guy who parked next to me. I drove it home and it was worth $12 to me RIGHT THEN, RIGHT THERE.

If I had a bike pump instead, I'd have needed to find a 15 year old boy with an over developed right arm...  ;)

To each his own.   ;D
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on April 27, 2017, 10:06:00 pm
Id have to say I got my money worth out of my "cheap" ( I.e. low cost but good quality) pump...but then it is a C&H (Campbell Hausfield) and they make pretty good air pumps...
I probably have at least 8 "pump assemblies" I've pulled from garage sale "emergency kits" that all functioned well, especially when you break them out of their plastic boxes, and re work them with a decent cord and hose...,
Yeah, they ALL will get hot, but for an emergency, when hung off the ground, will do the trick...
I've given away a few of these over the years, actually had one mounted under the seat of one of my Conni's, tiewrapped to the inner fender and used it to air up a crapload of tires at rides, it still works,
My Blue box CH is a fine tool, I carry it always...
But then I still carry emergency parts like bearings and levers and crapola for C10's with me, even on my C14.... just for my pals... :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

My cheap pals..... the ones that don't even carry duct tape, or a tool kit..... >:( :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Zorlac on April 28, 2017, 01:34:35 am
If you have a flat and it breaks the bead,
I'm thinking you're pretty well phukked at that point. I rode my C10 at highway speeds on a deflated front (PR3) that was pulling like a mofo by the time I got off the exit (+3/4mi more after I got off  :o ) to plug it and the bead never popped. Thankfully motorcycle tar beads are pretty darn tenacious.
I cheated that time & the wifey brought me my 200psi 20Gal air tank since I was less than 10mi from home.  :))

Whatever pump you choose make sure it runs electrically for at least 2-3min & the wire & hose is long enough to reach both wheels and fits onto the stem tightly before using it on the road. An accurate gauge that works in the limited space on the rear wheel is a plus too.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: d04011 on April 28, 2017, 08:17:01 am
I've got a several Slime compressors that I keep on my bikes with saddlebags, on my ATVs and in my car.  One time before I had one, I need air in an ATV tire and a friend along had a Slime.  When he told me he paid $12 for it and I felt how light it was, I thought it was probably a POS but it worked fine.  I bought one and after using it some, bought several more and all have worked fine.  I haven't had a problem with any of them yet and neither have my friends.  I also carry the T-handle plug reamer and the plugs on my bikes and used them twice on ATVs.

I have bigger portable 12V compressors in my pickup and ATV due to the enhanced capabilities for my over-sized tires (and additional storage space available).
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: gpd323 on April 28, 2017, 12:45:08 pm
I rescued a couple in Astoria Oregon that had a flat and were headed back to Canada. I had a repair kit and Co2 on me. Never had used either before.  The plug kit went well and I went through 6 Co2 cartridges and still the rear tire was at a low PSI. State Police showed up with an air tank (had talked with the stranded couple earlier and went to fetch an air tank) and topped off the tire.

From that day forward I bought an electric air pump and carry it at all times with my plug kits. I had used the Co2 on bicycles thats why I had been carrying Co2 on my motorcycles.

One trip I had to stop every hour or so to top off my rear tire, I had plugged it but it still was a slow leaker, electric pump kept me going till I reached home.

Unlimited supply of air. I power mine off a battery tender pigtail, had to add a bit more amperage to the fuse, but 7.5 amp won't blow when it starts up.

I use one of these from http://www.motopumps.com/ (http://www.motopumps.com/)
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: OKC14 on April 28, 2017, 01:08:17 pm
I picked up a 12v mini compressor with included pressure gauge from HF for 12 bucks.  You can run it off the accessory port if you have a slightly larger fuse. Nothing crazy but bigger than the puny 5amp. It works great.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: 4Bikes on April 28, 2017, 01:28:57 pm
I carry a Slime pump on the C-14.  For my bicycles, I gave up on the CO2 inflators.  I have yet to have a positive experience using them (basically only supposed to be a time saver over a pump) and had an inflator literally explode in my face.  I don't use them anymore. 
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: JimBob on April 28, 2017, 04:47:44 pm
Harbor Freight $30 air pump (or better). NOT the cheap yellow plastic ones.


We keep one in each car/vehicle. Worth the $, especially if you have a coupon or catch em on sale.




Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Buzzard on April 29, 2017, 02:35:55 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODH8fM9vK94 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODH8fM9vK94) I have one of these Ryobi inflators, I like it a lot.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: WANDRNG on April 29, 2017, 05:12:18 pm
Electric all the way

Used my Slime pump for at least 4 top offs after puncture and plug fixes on the C14 (one just last weekend while on the California Coast Campout and all in less then 2 years)

Same Slime pump has done 4 complete fills of a KLR rear after a puncture and patch or puncture and tube replace.

Same Slime pump has been used numerous times to add pressure to the KLR tires after leaving a lot of dirt riding with reduced pressure for a lot of street riding home.

Same Slime pump filled truck and car tires in a pinch, inflated mattresses and pool toys and other light chores.

The Slime pump cost me about the same as 1 three tank CO2 kit - so for the 5 C14 fix and topoffs alone, the CO2 would have cost maybe 3x as much and probably not worked as well or as easy.

There's lots of options out there now, but...

Electric all the way
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: worncog on April 29, 2017, 06:13:24 pm
Recommend against CO2. Limited application and too much volume to fill. Bicycle pump is a good tertiary tool, but would not use as primary.

My go to kit is ropes, glue, and a Motopump Mini Pro pump. Have had several pumps, and more flats than I care to remember. Ropes slathered in glue work. Mushroom plugs are unreliable, the fancy Dynaplugs are cute, but will not fill most punctures larger than a small nail. And yes. I own one of each of the noted kits. The Motopump is pricey, but fills a 180/55R17 in less than four minutes to 42 psi. My previously carried Stop-n-Go took more than 18 minutes to fill a 170/60R17. I purchased the Motopump while rallying, where that extra 13 minutes was pretty significant. Now, I plug in the pump and store the rest of the tools while it inflates. My last flat repaired with a worm and glue only took about ten minutes to repair and return to the road.

I also carry three tire patches and tire irons. I had a tire flat sideline me with a DNF in Texas Rally after the largest nail known to man skewered my rear tire and left me with a hole that the last seven worms I had would not seal for more than five miles. YMMV.

http://www.ldriders.com/tire-repair.html (http://www.ldriders.com/tire-repair.html)
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: seagiant1 on April 29, 2017, 07:17:00 pm
Recommend against CO2. Limited application and too much volume to fill. Bicycle pump is a good tertiary tool, but would not use as primary.

My go to kit is ropes, glue, and a Motopump Mini Pro pump. Have had several pumps, and more flats than I care to remember. Ropes slathered in glue work. Mushroom plugs are unreliable, the fancy Dynaplugs are cute, but will not fill most punctures larger than a small nail. And yes. I own one of each of the noted kits. The Motopump is pricey, but fills a 180/55R17 in less than four minutes to 42 psi. My previously carried Stop-n-Go took more than 18 minutes to fill a 170/60R17. I purchased the Motopump while rallying, where that extra 13 minutes was pretty significant. Now, I plug in the pump and store the rest of the tools while it inflates. My last flat repaired with a worm and glue only took about ten minutes to repair and return to the road.

I also carry three tire patches and tire irons. I had a tire flat sideline me with a DNF in Texas Rally after the largest nail known to man skewered my rear tire and left me with a hole that the last seven worms I had would not seal for more than five miles. YMMV.

[url]http://www.ldriders.com/tire-repair.html[/url] ([url]http://www.ldriders.com/tire-repair.html[/url])


Hi,
        I've been riding motorized 2 wheel vehichles since 1965...... :great:

I've NEVER had a flat on one, but...... :-X

You just scared me!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Oh, yea, I carry an Airman Pump that plugs into the cig liter socket! :truce:
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: worncog on April 29, 2017, 10:09:27 pm
Recommend against CO2. Limited application and too much volume to fill. Bicycle pump is a good tertiary tool, but would not use as primary.

My go to kit is ropes, glue, and a Motopump Mini Pro pump. Have had several pumps, and more flats than I care to remember. Ropes slathered in glue work. Mushroom plugs are unreliable, the fancy Dynaplugs are cute, but will not fill most punctures larger than a small nail. And yes. I own one of each of the noted kits. The Motopump is pricey, but fills a 180/55R17 in less than four minutes to 42 psi. My previously carried Stop-n-Go took more than 18 minutes to fill a 170/60R17. I purchased the Motopump while rallying, where that extra 13 minutes was pretty significant. Now, I plug in the pump and store the rest of the tools while it inflates. My last flat repaired with a worm and glue only took about ten minutes to repair and return to the road.

I also carry three tire patches and tire irons. I had a tire flat sideline me with a DNF in Texas Rally after the largest nail known to man skewered my rear tire and left me with a hole that the last seven worms I had would not seal for more than five miles. YMMV.

[url]http://www.ldriders.com/tire-repair.html[/url] ([url]http://www.ldriders.com/tire-repair.html[/url])


Hi,
        I've been riding motorized 2 wheel vehichles since 1965...... :great:

I've NEVER had a flat on one, but...... :-X

You just scared me!!!! ;D ;D ;D

Oh, yea, I carry an Airman Pump that plugs into the cig liter socket! :truce:


I had only had a couple flats over the years until I started doing competitive rallying three years ago. Then, I started getting flats ALOT more often than one would expect. Burned several dozen brain cells trying to figure out why I had become a flat magnet. It was pretty simple once I identified the problem. I was cutting corners and crossing slashed line sections in an effort to shave a few seconds here and there. And yes, I know it is bad form and I shouldn't do such things, so the peanut gallery can remain calm on that one. ;) Those 'cut' corners are littered with all the fixins for a flat, and I have modified my behaviors and have not had a flat since.

I have gotten pretty good at flat repair in the process though. I practiced on extra tires and wheels at home and even made multiple attempts at repairs with the mushrooms and the Dynaplugs before finalizing my tire kit. And when I did have a flat on a trip, I would return home and install a tire patch on the inside to prolong tire service life. Overkill? Maybe. But I do find myself out in the middle of nowhere with no cell service on long jaunts. I like the feeling of being able to repair almost all of the deflating moments the road throws at me. I will do my best to NOT be hauled in on a flatbed for just a flat again.

Be prepared, they told me...

Safe travels.

Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: JTX on April 30, 2017, 12:00:09 pm
AH. good. Thanks.

As to the Pelican case. I realized it was a dumb question and then just did a google image search.
I decided to go with a small case (Pelican 1170) for tools and a flat kit since I don't like that big eskimo/dog house look back there (seems also to be dynamically unstable).

Goes off to search for tool kit thread.

Edit: after watching about 20 videos, I am absolutely going with that Dynaplug thingy. I don't see that there's an alternative that's even close. Now I only have to decide whether to carry a pump or some CO2 cartridges.


I keep a green air pump ( the name escapes me ) with a direct battery connection cord handy for it's use ( the 5v accessory will pop the fuse as most of these pump have an initial 7+A surge ) however I've never had to use it on the road fortunately and I hope that continues to be my luck.


The C02 idea requires too many cylinders and is cumbersome.   Plus, if I stop to help someone else, now I'm not SOL down the road if I got a nail, too as I'd have used up any C02 I had.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: seagiant1 on May 01, 2017, 02:41:37 pm
AH. good. Thanks.

As to the Pelican case. I realized it was a dumb question and then just did a google image search.
I decided to go with a small case (Pelican 1170) for tools and a flat kit since I don't like that big eskimo/dog house look back there (seems also to be dynamically unstable).

Goes off to search for tool kit thread.

Edit: after watching about 20 videos, I am absolutely going with that Dynaplug thingy. I don't see that there's an alternative that's even close. Now I only have to decide whether to carry a pump or some CO2 cartridges.


I keep a green air pump ( the name escapes me ) with a direct battery connection cord handy for it's use ( the 5v accessory will pop the fuse as most of these pump have an initial 7+A surge ) however I've never had to use it on the road fortunately and I hope that continues to be my luck.


The C02 idea requires too many cylinders and is cumbersome.   Plus, if I stop to help someone else, now I'm not SOL down the road if I got a nail, too as I'd have used up any C02 I had.

Hi,
        I'll have to check it out.

I have a "Battery Tender" hook up straight to the battery.

I guess, I could use that to power an air pump if I set it up that way?

I need to do a what if, and actually run the pump and check it out!!! :-[
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: JTX on May 01, 2017, 03:12:46 pm
It should work but check polarity.

Also dont just run the pump into the air.  Make the pump strain a bit as if it was encountering some resistance.  I think the 7a charge fuse in a battery tender would work but i think my pump draws that at minimum.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Throttle 8 on May 01, 2017, 03:24:29 pm
Something else to consider when buying a cheap electric pump;
These pumps ( most of them anyway),are not made to last through a lot of use. They are made to sell to a lot of people who will put them in the trunk and forget about them. After what I would consider minimal usage ( some less than 30 minutes of actual usage, NOT CONTINUAL but in total) many of these pumps have failed miserably. There is a reason they are so cheap. I have personally seen several of the Slime pumps crap out at the worst possible time after very little use. I will never buy one of them. I have a electric compressor that I converted to run off of a LiPo battery pack. I have inflated more tires than I care to think about and it has hours and hours of actual use on it with no issues so far. It is 4 years old now. I did get it for 30$ from HF as a field use for RC aircraft landing gear and it has served all of its' life inflating tires big and small instead.
I feel like I have already gotten my $$$ worth and it still works perfectly.
Matt

Matt is spot on. I always carry a cheap pump in my truck. A couple years ago I got a flat in the middle of nowhere. I fixed it an used the cheap pump to re-inflate. I should have stopped and let it cool when I got to halfway on the 35" Mickey Thompson; but I was impatient, so I did it in one shot. Just as it was about finished, it started making a noise that can only be described as what a Mariah Carrey orgasm would sound like. That was the end of that pump. These pumps are cheap and have a short lifespan---even shorter if you don't let them cool for 10 minutes after every 10 minutes of use--lol!
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: JTX on May 01, 2017, 09:08:29 pm
Haha.  Man talk about a visual i didnt need today!
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: dlama on May 04, 2017, 04:29:24 pm
CO2 has no usable benefit to me in motorcycling. 12V Electric compressor all the way. BTW DynaPlugs are sucky. The DynaPlug air pump is pretty good. The plugs and handle look cool but they don't work in the real world. Too small and finicky. Save your $$$ and frustration on the road and buy a Regular T-Handle kit w tire plugs and a less expensive but decent 12V air compressor. This will get you down the road. Any decent small electric air pump made for autos or motorcycles will get you out of many unplanned flat events. You've got to simulate and practice a flat scenario to decide how you are going to address the issues before they come up.

First, get a power drill and make a hole in your front tire.

Just kidding... but if you let all the air out of your front tire and used CO2 cartridges to try out the method you would see right away the electric pump is the ONLY way to go. But practice!

1. Power cord compatible? Is it long enough?
2. Air hose compatible? Is it long enough?
3. Is there a light and a gauge on the pump?
4. If I drop the pump will it break? Should I test it before long trips?
5. Take it all out of the package and rig it up. Does it work in the garage? Pump up your tires to specified pressures. Yes? It will work on the road.

This brings ups the general practices of touring riders in general. Some are anal retentive and some just try to go on luck.

I like to plan the trip and lay out the items and look at the maps for days and weeks. It's part of the fun for the wife and I to get ready to go for 2-3 weeks on the road. I approach it more like taking a trip in an airplane. Better safe than sorry when you are "flying".

Others just crank the bike and take off. To each his own...
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: 4Bikes on May 04, 2017, 04:37:35 pm
I bought a DynaPlug kit on an impulse buy at Cycle World because they were on sale.  If I actually had a flat, I don't think I would try one and would just go with the tried and true sticky worms.  I did do this DynaPlug test, on a tire before I changed it out.  I think the big issue with the DynaPlug kit is reloading the tool.

(http://users.etown.edu/r/ruttersm/cog/dynaplug.jpg)

Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: WANDRNG on May 04, 2017, 05:29:10 pm
I bought a DynaPlug kit on an impulse buy at Cycle World because they were on sale.  If I actually had a flat, I don't think I would try one and would just go with the tried and true sticky worms.  I did do this DynaPlug test, on a tire before I changed it out.  I think the big issue with the DynaPlug kit is reloading the tool.
Used a Dynaplug to fix three separate flats on the Concours now (1 kit for all with a set refill plugs).
- 1 time the day before last years bun cooler on a tire with 42 miles on it - plug lasted the 3000 mile trip and back plus 3K local stuff
- Year an a half ago 1 plug into a tire that went another 4K
- 2 weeks ago 1 hour into the CA Coast Campout put 2 plugs in 1 puncture - still going strong

I did use a little astringent between the 2 plugs/1hole when fixing the Campout flat to ease the reloading of the second plug into the handle.

All told, 15 minutes per flat to find, plug and Slime pump the tire back to proper pressure - all have held, and the kit is packed and ready for this years Bun Cooler trip.

YMMV
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: 4Bikes on May 05, 2017, 11:20:17 am
I bought a DynaPlug kit on an impulse buy at Cycle World because they were on sale.  If I actually had a flat, I don't think I would try one and would just go with the tried and true sticky worms.  I did do this DynaPlug test, on a tire before I changed it out.  I think the big issue with the DynaPlug kit is reloading the tool.

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I should maybe explain this photo.  It was before I had my own tire changer, and I was ready to replace the front tire at the dealer by removing it.  I drilled a hole above the TPS sensor to simulate a flat, and patched it with the DynaPlug as a test.  The part you see in the photo, was from the square I cut out to get to the TPMS to change the battery.  Doing this test in the garage is a lot better than trying it for the first time on the Road. 

If I remember correctly, the 7 amp? fuse on my battery tender lead blew out when running the Slime pump.  Again, it's better to sort out these issues in the garage.  I now have that lead fused properly. 
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: WANDRNG on May 06, 2017, 01:25:54 am
I've never used or seen one of these, just saw them on sale today. Have no idea how well they work.

Battery powered with built in PSI gauge
Charges from a 5 amp phone charger (won't blow a fuse)
Approx 8x2.5x2 inches = 40 cubic inches  (for comparison the slime pump I have 2.6x6.6x6.8 = 116 cubic inches)

https://www.amazon.com/ENGREPO-Hand-Held-Electric-Portable-Compressor/dp/B01M2ZY5D9 (https://www.amazon.com/ENGREPO-Hand-Held-Electric-Portable-Compressor/dp/B01M2ZY5D9)

Engrepo Portable Digital Air Compressor for $40 + free shipping w/ Prime
Engrepo Direct via Amazon offers Prime members the Engrepo Portable Digital Air Compressor in Black for $49.99. Coupon code "N6S4FA6M" drops it to $39.99. With free shipping, that's the lowest price we could find by $17. Features include a lithium-ion rechargeable battery, cigarette lighter socket adapter, and LED display.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71MpSzEV%2BZL._SL1500_.jpg) (https://www.amazon.com/ENGREPO-Hand-Held-Electric-Portable-Compressor/dp/B01M2ZY5D9)
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: 4Bikes on May 06, 2017, 11:22:42 am
Thats interesting, but the battery option isn't much better than a CO2 since it would likely one fill up and done. I'm also thinking about the battery jump pack I carry. I tried to help a some roofers in a pickup truck. When I pulled out the jump pack it was dead and worthless. Batteries need to be put on a charger probably once a month.  I assume the battery inflator would be the same way, and that would be a pain.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: WANDRNG on May 06, 2017, 04:01:07 pm
I don't know, half the size of my Slime, can work from it's own lith-ion battery  or  plugged into my Concours' cig lighter socket (drawing 5A,  so avoid possibility of blown fuse)?

If I didn't already have the Slime...
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: mattchewn on May 06, 2017, 09:37:42 pm
I've never used or seen one of these, just saw them on sale today. Have no idea how well they work.

Battery powered with built in PSI gauge
Charges from a 5 amp phone charger (won't blow a fuse)
Approx 8x2.5x2 inches = 40 cubic inches  (for comparison the slime pump I have 2.6x6.6x6.8 = 116 cubic inches)

https://www.amazon.com/ENGREPO-Hand-Held-Electric-Portable-Compressor/dp/B01M2ZY5D9 (https://www.amazon.com/ENGREPO-Hand-Held-Electric-Portable-Compressor/dp/B01M2ZY5D9)

Engrepo Portable Digital Air Compressor for $40 + free shipping w/ Prime
Engrepo Direct via Amazon offers Prime members the Engrepo Portable Digital Air Compressor in Black for $49.99. Coupon code "N6S4FA6M" drops it to $39.99. With free shipping, that's the lowest price we could find by $17. Features include a lithium-ion rechargeable battery, cigarette lighter socket adapter, and LED display.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71MpSzEV%2BZL._SL1500_.jpg) (https://www.amazon.com/ENGREPO-Hand-Held-Electric-Portable-Compressor/dp/B01M2ZY5D9)
I read through some of the questions, One guy said the batteries lasted about 10 minutes of use. Probably not the best investment.   >:(
Matt
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Jerdurr on August 02, 2017, 02:38:00 pm
Guys, I replaced the cable and fuse for 10 amps on the auxiliary (cigarette) port. Which one of the electrical pumps do you suggest I use, and what is the amperage draw?

thanks guys!
 ;)
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: JTX on August 02, 2017, 02:52:20 pm
Guys, I replaced the cable and fuse for 10 amps on the auxiliary (cigarette) port. Which one of the electrical pumps do you suggest I use, and what is the amperage draw?

thanks guys!
 ;)


The green slime pump I have needs 7amps.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Jerdurr on August 02, 2017, 02:57:53 pm
Guys, I replaced the cable and fuse for 10 amps on the auxiliary (cigarette) port. Which one of the electrical pumps do you suggest I use, and what is the amperage draw?

thanks guys!
 ;)


The green slime pump I have needs 7amps.
Thx JTX, that helps...

How about the rest? I was considering a stop n' go pump...
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: seagiant1 on August 02, 2017, 03:03:49 pm
Matt is spot on. I always carry a cheap pump in my truck. A couple years ago I got a flat in the middle of nowhere. I fixed it an used the cheap pump to re-inflate. I should have stopped and let it cool when I got to halfway on the 35" Mickey Thompson; but I was impatient, so I did it in one shot. Just as it was about finished, it started making a noise that can only be described as what a Mariah Carrey orgasm would sound like. That was the end of that pump. These pumps are cheap and have a short lifespan---even shorter if you don't let them cool for 10 minutes after every 10 minutes of use--lol!


Hi,
       Please, don't do that again! ;D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: JTX on August 02, 2017, 03:06:13 pm
haha that was funny :rotflmao:
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: 4Bikes on August 02, 2017, 05:31:54 pm
10-4. We have a lock on what your pump sounded like when it died  :rotflmao:
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: RWulf on August 02, 2017, 08:20:29 pm
Great comparison article on 12V air pumps in MCN this month.
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: Jerdurr on August 08, 2017, 05:30:37 am
Great comparison article on 12V air pumps in MCN this month.
MCN?
Title: Re: CO2 or Electric for airing flats?
Post by: WANDRNG on August 08, 2017, 05:40:23 am
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