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Title: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: BiggusDekkus on February 22, 2016, 07:41:15 pm
A couple months ago, I traded my C10 for a C14.  After the first 700 miles, I've determined that it would be more comfortable to move the handlebars back and/or up.  There are several options available, the normal risers up to 2", the pullback risers from AST, "Phil's wedges" from Murph's Kits, and adjustable handlebars from Helibars.  I'm 6' tall with reasonably long arms, so I don't need a huge adjustment, just something to allow me to sit up a little taller.

I would like to hear from other C14 riders what they have tried and what results they obtained from implementing their modification.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: instructor on February 22, 2016, 09:59:52 pm
I went with the 2" risers from Murphs but am also going to add the wedges bringing the bars back a bit and the two end closer together. For me it would seem that small amount of adjustment would be "just what the Dr. ordered."
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: connie_rider on February 22, 2016, 10:10:57 pm
I installed  the 2" risers and wedges.
Took the wedges off and I'm happier without them. {they changed the angle of the bars in a way I didn't like}..
I'm 5'- 9".

I think I would like the pull backs, but undecided at this point.

Ride safe, Te
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: EZ on February 22, 2016, 10:44:30 pm
I too went with 2" risers from Murphs and I like them a lot. I'm about your height and it made a big difference. Was considering the wedges until I rode another 14 with them. I didn't notice a big difference as far as back more but what I did notice and really did not like was how it pulls the bars closer together. Worse case is try them, if you don't like them you will have no trouble getting rid of them. IMO your build, riding style and wallet will dictate your preference. If I had $800.00 to spend on bars I would probably be singing a different tune.  :motonoises: 
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Murph on February 22, 2016, 11:05:11 pm

I run one of our standard risers on the left bar and a riser with a wedge under the right  :motonoises:
 not symmetrical but works for me  ;D...hummm I wonder if one arms longer than the other

murph
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Jon on February 22, 2016, 11:10:49 pm
Been riding with just 2" risers and it's been much better than stock...not sure if the wedges will improve things or not.   I am a little concerned with bars being narrowed...we'll see after I get a chance to install and do some riding.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: connie_rider on February 22, 2016, 11:59:58 pm
The narrowing wasn't a problem for me.
The angle just seemed wrong.
They are a quality product and will work for some folks.
Just, not me.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: C14lvr on February 23, 2016, 02:17:28 am
I have a 2011 model.
I am 53, 6' with average length arms.
In stock form, I was leaned forward too far, with too much pressure placed on my elbows and wrists.
I now have 2" risers, AST setback adapter plates, AND Phil's wedges.
Now I sit only slightly forward, with no pain in my arms or wrists. Everything is placed where it should have been to start with.

Another thing that hurt on long trips were my hip joints. Stock peg placements were a bit too high and back for me. Lowering brackets and AST plates took care of that problem.

Also changed the seat to the Kawi Gel.

Love my bike now, and can ride 10 hr days on long tours.

I say, each individual should figure out their own personal comfort level.
Some folks may be perfectly fine with the stock positions, and argue that's the "sport" part of the bike's character.   >:D

Others, like me, may want the best compromise of both worlds, and set up the way I have.  :)


The coolest thing about a C14 is it's huge aftermarket to choose from, so you can modify as much or as little as you want to! Not every bike can boast this.
 ;)
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Ronnie on February 23, 2016, 01:08:40 pm
I originally had 3/4" riser plates(came from the dealer like this), and it just wasn't enough to be comfortable on longer trips(I'm 5' 9").  About 6 months ago I ordered the AST 2" pullback risers and it made a big difference.  I haven't noticed the bars being any narrower and I'm still able to flog it thru the mountains just as well as before.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Spackler on February 23, 2016, 02:49:05 pm
I added 2" risers, AST pullback adapters, and the Wedges. I'm happy with the results of all of those things combined. I think I'd like to go to the Helibar Horizon ST bars, but for a fraction of the cost of those, I have a very comfortable setup now.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: connie_rider on February 23, 2016, 03:53:24 pm
I originally had 3/4" riser plates(came from the dealer like this), and it just wasn't enough to be comfortable on longer trips(I'm 5' 9").  About 6 months ago I ordered the AST 2" pullback risers and it made a big difference.  I haven't noticed the bars being any narrower and I'm still able to flog it thru the mountains just as well as before.

Ronnie, The pullbacks do not narrow the bars, like the wedges do.
They just move the bars back.
Plus they raise the overall position because of the 2"..

Your setup is similar to what I would like to try.
Will you be at the National?
If yes, we can compare seating/bar configuration..

Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Ronnie on February 23, 2016, 05:46:25 pm
Ted, please excuse my ignorance as I'm fairly new to the COG forum.  What is " The National" ?  I'm assuming some kind of Concours meet?
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: MikeB_CA on February 23, 2016, 06:43:35 pm
A couple months ago, I traded my C10 for a C14.  After the first 700 miles, I've determined that it would be more comfortable to move the handlebars back and/or up.  There are several options available, the normal risers up to 2", the pullback risers from AST, "Phil's wedges" from Murph's Kits, and adjustable handlebars from Helibars.  I'm 6' tall with reasonably long arms, so I don't need a huge adjustment, just something to allow me to sit up a little taller.

I would like to hear from other C14 riders what they have tried and what results they obtained from implementing their modification.

Had both, "risers" and "risers with pull-back" and ended up back at stock. I LOVE the stock position! I ride the bike the way it's supposed to be ridden and love it that way! After adding risers and pull-back's I realized that I was trying to make the Concours into an RT or Trophy and I wasn't ready for that. I will ride it that way until I can't (if that time ever comes because I plan on living and riding in the more "sporty" position forever) and if I need to change the position I'll move into a bike that offers that! That's my take on it! :beerchug:
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: EZ on February 23, 2016, 07:10:36 pm
Ted, please excuse my ignorance as I'm fairly new to the COG forum.  What is " The National" ?  I'm assuming some kind of Concours meet?

Oh boy, now you've gone and done it Ronnie. Stand by for red flashing banners and monkeys cat-walking across the screen  ;D
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Ronnie on February 23, 2016, 07:57:11 pm
LOL, oh well...it won't be the first time.  :)  I'm assuming this is what you were referring to http://concours.org/national/2016-national-rally-main-page (http://concours.org/national/2016-national-rally-main-page) ?  If so, I doubt I will make it to that.  I would love to, but I noticed the dates are a Mon-Fri and not over a weekend and I have too many other things planned for my vacation days.  Why wouldn't they plan it for like a Thur-Sun so people don't have to use so much vacation time? 
Not sure where you live, but I have a place in Chimney Rock NC that I'm at every 2 or 3 weeks.  I do a lot of riding in the mountains, so if you are close to that area let me know and we can meet up and ride.  Then you can try mine out with the AST pullback risers and see what you think.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: connie_rider on February 23, 2016, 08:53:23 pm
Ted, please excuse my ignorance as I'm fairly new to the COG forum.  What is " The National" ?  I'm assuming some kind of Concours meet?   :-\
Why wouldn't they plan it for like a Thur-Sun so people don't have to use so much vacation time?

OMG!!!!!
It's the big one Ethyl... My heart,,, MY HEART!!!!!  :c002:


Quick,,,  someone get the Flog-o-matic.   :41:

   He dun went and ask'd the wrong questions. 
          I feel a floggin' commin'!!  <evil grin> :nananana:

Err Ronnie, the reason it's a weeklong is,, it ain't a weekend gatherin'.
                                                           it's the COG National event.
                                                                  {sed with Banners flying and Trumpets playing in the background}  ;)
                                                                   
:1rij: :1rij: Taa, ta, da, DDdddddaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  :1rij: :1rij:



     Folks come from all over the Nation. (some further)     
     Compared to some,,, Helen Georgia is pretty close to Chimney Rock NC.
      Fer instance,,, (I live in Houston) Some are coming from Canada/California/Europe..
      And, since your close,,,  You could arrive on Thurs. and depart the Sunday after.
          (You wouldn't want to, but ya could)

By the way; S'cuse me for pickin' on ya...
                      But, ya gave me a chance....  :nananana:
                          Couldn't help myself.........

Ride safe, Ted
     


Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Ronnie on February 24, 2016, 12:23:15 pm
No problem Ted.....I can take it as good as I can dish it out.  LOL   I may try to take a couple days off and head that way.  I'll know better when it comes closer to time.  My wife and I have a 4 day trip planned to Kentucky the first week of June(on the bike of course), so I'll have to play it by ear.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: rmills944 on February 24, 2016, 06:21:07 pm
The narrowing wasn't a problem for me.
The angle just seemed wrong.
They are a quality product and will work for some folks.
Just, not me.

Ride safe, Ted
At this point I'd agree. I had wedges with risers on my connie and liked them at first. Felt sporty and brought the bars where I liked them. I did notice what others were seeing. i was using only the outside edge of my hand to hold the bar as it was in an odd angle.
I got a new connie and changed from a Corbin to the Baldwin GT. I left them off and just have risers and I'm happy without the wedges. My reach seems to be better as well, as the Corbin was really low and the new seat is higher and move forward sitting.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: MikeB_CA on February 24, 2016, 07:18:38 pm
The narrowing wasn't a problem for me.
The angle just seemed wrong.
They are a quality product and will work for some folks.
Just, not me.

Ride safe, Ted
At this point I'd agree. I had them on my connie and liked them at first. Felt sporty and brought the bars where I liked them. I did notice what others were seeing. i was using only the outside edge of my hand to hold the bar as it was in an odd angle.
I got a new connie and changed from a Corbin to the Baldwin GT. I left them off and I'm happy without them. My reach seems to be better as well, as the Corbin was really low and the new seat is higher and move forward sitting.

Stock height for the bars is AWESOME!

Baldwin GT seat...even AWESOMER-ER!
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: rmills944 on February 25, 2016, 08:12:56 pm
I should specify I have bar risers, just not the wedges anymore.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: WingCon on February 25, 2016, 10:42:47 pm
I had full out helibars on my C14, and although they were very comfortable for long distance, I took them off because they defeated the purpose of owning a "sporty" type of bike.  (I also have an 1800 Wing so that's my fall back long distance machine.)  I put the stock bars back on, but as the stock position is still a bit too "radical" for my 61 year old 5'8" frame, I just ordered helibar risers.  They pull back 3/4" and move up 2".  They also have a female adapter for a Ram Mount which is very cool. You can also get one with a Powerlet outlet built into it.  You can order the proper size Ram Mount ball right on the Helibar website.  I'll put my Garmin there.  Going to give them a try.

https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-Kawasaki-Concours14/176.html (https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-Kawasaki-Concours14/176.html)
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Spackler on February 25, 2016, 10:55:37 pm
I had full out helibars on my C14, and although they were very comfortable for long distance, I took them off because they defeated the purpose of owning a "sporty" type of bike.  (I also have an 1800 Wing so that's my fall back long distance machine.)  I put the stock bars back on, but as the stock position is still a bit too "radical" for my 61 year old 5'8" frame, I just ordered helibar risers.  They pull back 3/4" and move up 2".  They also have a female adapter for a Ram Mount which is very cool. You can also get one with a Powerlet outlet built into it.  You can order the proper size Ram Mount ball right on the Helibar website.  I'll put my Garmin there.  Going to give them a try.

https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-Kawasaki-Concours14/176.html (https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-Kawasaki-Concours14/176.html)

If you still have the Helibar horizon bars and want to sell them, let me know.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: WingCon on February 25, 2016, 11:04:32 pm
I had full out helibars on my C14, and although they were very comfortable for long distance, I took them off because they defeated the purpose of owning a "sporty" type of bike.  (I also have an 1800 Wing so that's my fall back long distance machine.)  I put the stock bars back on, but as the stock position is still a bit too "radical" for my 61 year old 5'8" frame, I just ordered helibar risers.  They pull back 3/4" and move up 2".  They also have a female adapter for a Ram Mount which is very cool. You can also get one with a Powerlet outlet built into it.  You can order the proper size Ram Mount ball right on the Helibar website, although Murphs' includes this option too.  I'll put my Garmin there.  Going to give them a try.  I was thinking about Murph's risers with the wedge, but my wrist position right now is perfect, so I don't want to mess with something that works.  I saw the reviews below about the wedge canting the wrists inwards on the Murpsh's wedges, and I don't want that.  Worse case I can add the Murphs' wedges to the helibar risers if I need to with the extra long bolts Murph's provides.  The Helibar risers raise the bars higher 3/4" higher than the Murphs' riser's, that's why I'm going this direction. 
Ride safe!!      ;)

https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-Kawasaki-Concours14/176.html (https://www.helibars.com/products/HeliBars%C2%AE-Tour-Performance%E2%84%A2-handlebar-risers-for-Kawasaki-Concours14/176.html)

If you still have the Helibar horizon bars and want to sell them, let me know.

Sorry, they went out with the trash.  Were scratched up and I misplaced one of the parts. 
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: dlama on January 29, 2017, 02:22:49 pm
The trash? OMG powder coat will fix all of the scratches AND... Heli Bars manufacturer  have parts. You must be LOADED 😆😂
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: connie_rider on January 29, 2017, 04:08:52 pm
Update; I ended up with Murph's 1 5/8" tall risers and added a set of AST Pullbacks on top..
The Pullbacks are 1/2 taller than the riders. (Making the total height 2 1/8" taller than stock)

Pretty happy with the arrangement, but considering the idea of lowering the Risers (5/8").
Total height would then be 1 1/2" taller than stock.

Yea, I know, I'm never happy.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: walter on January 29, 2017, 04:58:22 pm
I'm 5'9" and happy with the AST 2" pullback risers for the price. I am angled very slightly forward. didn't realize it at first just because it was way more comfortable than stock.  I cant really justify spending the money on the adjustable Helibars unless that money tree starts bearing fruit!
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Doc on April 01, 2018, 12:42:50 am
Realize this is an old topic, but for those of you with helibar risers plus wedges, did you have any issues with brake or clutch lines?
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: FTB530 on April 01, 2018, 04:12:35 am
Realize this is an old topic, but for those of you with helibar risers plus wedges, did you have any issues with brake or clutch lines?
I have had the 2” risers on one bike with no extension needed, second bike I have the 2” up and 2” back with no extension needed!
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: RoadKillHeaven on April 01, 2018, 06:00:58 am
I've gone back and forth with 2" pullback raisers from AST, hoping to find happy medium. There is no such thing I've concluded. I installed AST 2" pullbacks raisers back on the bike, added side winglets from ProjektD.
I haven't tried wedges, however. I've thought about it. I've simulated wedges using washers (without riding the bike in the process) and found it to be too awkward for me. I guess we all have different hands and hold handlebars in different ways. I've found simulated wedges caused ubnormal position of my hands on the bars.
Raisers along with stock screen and winglets make me comfortable.
YMMV...

Cheers...
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: el paso on April 01, 2018, 03:58:34 pm
Just my 2 cents I’m soon to be 71 and 5’10 and have Murph’s risers and wedges and suits me fine. Just wish it would get warmer.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Phil on April 01, 2018, 04:47:09 pm
I tried the wedges on a trip from Pittsburgh to Iowa, and made it to the first service plaza in Ohio and pulled off and removed the wedges. I would have stopped earlier if there was a safe place to remove them. The angle was anything but natural for me. The rest of the ride that day was comfortable.

I still alternate between stock and the risers from Murph's. The risers are usually installed.
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: Arabian Red on April 05, 2018, 01:31:29 am
I believe I got the AST risers that also set back about an inch and that does the trick for me at 5'-10".
Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: rcannon409 on April 05, 2018, 12:30:07 pm
I did not care for my wedges when I first installed them. I liked the new angle, but the bars were too narrow.

It was not a difficult fix.  I unscrewed each "handlebar" from its riser. The bar slid into its riser...maybe 1 inch, or  a little less.

Before I slid the bars, back into their risers, I added some flat washers. 2-3, per side.

 I made sure the pin would still index, in the riser, but the washers made the bar, grip to grip, about 10mm wider. Not a lot, obviously, but enough.

For me, this was a big improvement over stock.   



Title: Re: Comparing regular risers to pullback risers and wedges
Post by: The Pope on April 06, 2018, 09:06:24 am
I did not care for my wedges when I first installed them. I liked the new angle, but the bars were too narrow.

It was not a difficult fix.  I unscrewed each "handlebar" from its riser. The bar slid into its riser...maybe 1 inch, or  a little less.

Before I slid the bars, back into their risers, I added some flat washers. 2-3, per side.

 I made sure the pin would still index, in the riser, but the washers made the bar, grip to grip, about 10mm wider. Not a lot, obviously, but enough.

For me, this was a big improvement over stock.   


..... just an fyi ......

philipintexas (http://www.philsfarkels.com/home.html (http://www.philsfarkels.com/home.html)) makes 1" longer bars for the C14. I have them (and the wedges) on my bike and it works for me. He doesn't have them listed on his site as it's a very low requested item. Send him (philipintexas) a pm if your interested on getting a set.

Now back to the original discussion.......