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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #50 on: November 10, 2017, 06:24:03 pm »
I guess the fact that I have always used a PC with Windows qualifies me to judge Apple,  even though I've never even touched an Apple computer. Now that is some twisted logic.

No, I think you misunderstood what I have said.

When I look for an ecu flash, I look for certain features.  If a flash does not have the features I'm looking for, then Its not something I would purchase. Thats why I held out for so long.
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #51 on: November 10, 2017, 06:42:58 pm »
So by your definition eliminating the "Fuel Cut" is accomplished by not letting the injectors go completely shut (off) when returning the throttle to off after having been open. It's more complex but thats good enough for this. This means deceleration instead of being abrupt (injectors off) is controlled by a more gentle down sloping fuel table.
  Do I have this correct?
For me the term "Fuel Cut" doesn't just mean going completely shut but indicates any reduction of dwell time for the injectors. Fuel cut = any reduction of fuel supplied from 1% to 100%. Now we are back where we were several days ago when I said it's how you control the deceleration curve. Steve's flash, along with ALL of the others that mod the fuel tables, changes the deceleration characteristics bt changing the fuel cut. Windows, Mac, Linux makes no difference when the outcome is roughly equivalent. It doesn't matter who is tightening the bolt or what size/material the bolt is made of, as long as it gets properly tightened they are functionally the same.
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #52 on: November 10, 2017, 07:01:38 pm »
There is enough information posted here for anyone to make an informed decision for themselves, and if their jerky throttle bothers them enough to fix it.  According to the data logs above, the "fuel cut enabled" video shows the injector is completly shut off.  You can also see the bike ,on the dyno, jerking and blowing flames when he applies, and closes the throttle.

You can see it, and it's backed up by the data logs. 

The kill switch test will also show this.  I've had enough ecu flashes to know this is something that I won't be without.

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #53 on: November 10, 2017, 07:59:29 pm »
   Back about 25 years ago, I had a couple Rottweillers. Absolutely sweet, loving dogs, but if you know anything about Rot's they are not to be trifled with.  There was this kid that lived next door, he was about 8 years old, and to say this kid was an idiot would be kind. My yard is chain link fenced. This kid would aggravate the dogs any chance he'd get. He'd yell at them and hit the fence with balls and sticks, and run up and down the fence dragging a stick so it sounded like a card in a bicycle rim. This made the dogs crazy. It was their fence, and they would go crazy barking at him. I used to have to go out and calm the whole situation down, and always tell the kid to stop doing that. He was very persistent, no quit in him, even when it would be in his best interest.

  So one day I hear this blood curdling scream out by the road. I look out the window, and I see the kid in the road, frozen with fear. He'd been taunting the dogs at the closed gate. But someone forgot to latch the gate. The dogs were out, and had him surrounded. I got out there quick, and got the dogs back inside the yard. The kid was crying and shaking, and had urinated himself.

   He never ever poked the dogs again.

  I probably posted this story for a reason.

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2017, 02:36:32 pm »
rcannon409,

Have you ridden a bike with Steve's EVO flash?

Or any of Steve's other flashes?


Turbo, I don't need to....  I've ridden enough bikes without fuel cut disabled that I would never spend my money on a flash that doesn't include that.

(see my post on this board in 2015 that I have already referenced above)

You should stop by Ivan's shop since you are in his area and see if he would let you try his work firsthand so you can compare it yourself and see the difference.... maybe then you won't think that I'm an idiot.  :) :)

I haven't yet said that I think your an idiot.

But since you answered my question, and said that you've never ridden a bike with Steve's flash and still believe that you can tell that Ivan's flash is a much better product ... maybe you've just gone and shown it.   ::)

Your one person, with Ivan's flash and you really like it.   :)  You've never ridden a bike with Steve's flash so you really can't compare the two. :-X

I'm only one of the many on this forum who have Steve's flash, and to my knowledge there has only been one person who didn't like it.  But he also wouldn't accept the offer to flash it back to stock at no cost to him, including shipping, if I remember correctly.

I'm also feeling the same way "Bugnut" in post #33 and "Cap'n Bob" in post #39 feel.
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2017, 01:06:17 am »
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2017, 10:07:57 am »
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2017, 11:02:01 pm »
I guess the fact that I have always used a PC with Windows qualifies me to judge Apple,  even though I've never even touched an Apple computer. Now that is some twisted logic.

Now that's funny!! LOL :beerchug: :beerchug:
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #58 on: November 13, 2017, 04:27:52 pm »
All this becomes moot when Joe Everyman can buy the interface and software required to re-flash ECUs.

Of course, the incidences of blown-up motors may rise as well.

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #59 on: November 13, 2017, 09:51:36 pm »
There is enough information posted here for anyone to make an informed decision for themselves...

I think that sums it up right there.

So that's the end of this thread, right?  No sense disseminating redundant data and/or opinions.

I know I'm not the only one that hopes so...

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #60 on: November 14, 2017, 12:30:44 pm »
Here are 3 recent threads that are all about fuel cut symptoms, but it is purposely not mentioned because he doesn’t want anyone to know what is causing everyone’s issue... Why?

Because he can’t fix it!  So why not blame the cause on something else.

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/you-need-to-read-this-!/

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/throttle-tamer-questions/

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/driveline-lash-71937/

Why does everyone refuse to accept this?

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Does anyone here think that Steve will openly admit that he can't deal with this problem?
Just the very mention of it, and he threatens to tear me up like a Rottweiler, or something similar.

Just think of it, if anyone would go against him, this is how he will react to it… Just look at the one guy who openly had issues. How did Steve treat him? I suspect that there are quite a bit more that are afraid to post about it for the same reason.

C'mon people think for yourselves... scientific evidence is in your faces, and you still refuse to accept that your abrupt throttle cannot be fixed any other way?

BTW, here’s the original dyno chart from his site… the one that I had issues with because it was done in different gears, not a true comparison at all. Notice that the current chart on his site has this info removed.
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2017, 01:18:03 pm »
   You are really getting on my nerves Roland.

   To say I have not acknowledged fuel cut is a blatant lie. In fact, I posted about it in response 23 of this thread, and that's a re-post from 2 years ago. So as far back as 2 years ago I was posting about it. Let me repost again for you.

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 The concept of decel braking and fuel cut may be getting interchanged here. Pretty much the stock bike just dumps power as soon as you back off the throttle even a little bit. Some call it engine braking. some call it fuel cut. When it's excessive, I call it annoying. I can't stand it. I am working with the map now to try to get a smoother version of decel. I might be onto something. no promises... But IF i can pull it off, and anyone I've flashed already wants the upgrade I'll do it for the cost of shipping.
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   So here's the bottom line on that... I have a different way of dealing with fuel cut than Ivan does.  I will say this, from a tuning perspective Ivan's method is easier for the tuner. He didn't have to do all the learning and experimenting I did, But along with all my work came some revelations and results that riders like... results that Ivan wouldn't have found, because he didn't have to look.

   I have already addressed the dyno chart stuff very clearly. Again, the stock run in 4th gear actually had the advantage of gearing, and my stock run is 5HP HIGHER than Ivan's... so where is the effort to lie on my part? It doesn't exist. I have posted this previously, but you keep it up.  Here's my final word on your allegations... My charts are the exact same charts. I don't care if you don't like them. Stop trying to obfuscate and lie.

  And did you notice that guys who had loose throttle cables adjusted them, and all was good? How about the guys that have low idle settings, think it's ok to tell them to get the idles where it should be, or valves adjusted in spec?

  I actually share information with everyone here. I shared the datalog info about the slow TPS response, and a no cost fix. And somehow that's wrong of me?

   At this point, we all see that you are clearly Ivan's shill.  Your sales technique is one of tearing down another product that you have no knowledge of, and taking a clear opportunity to make personal attacks as you go.

  If you notice, I have not attacked anyone else's work. I have not first hand knowledge to do so, therefor I can't make a judgement. We are very different in that, Roland. I deal in honesty and facts... you deal in obfuscation and lies.

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2017, 02:44:45 pm »
Trump is president, what do you all think of that. How about guns. Maybe muslims, catholics or jews? Irish people are the best.
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2017, 03:26:40 pm »
I think this thread has just about run its course guys.

Maybe take this offline?

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2017, 04:21:14 pm »
Trump is president, what do you all think of that. How about guns. Maybe muslims, catholics or jews? Irish people are the best.
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #65 on: November 14, 2017, 08:29:56 pm »
Just WoW....Talk about kicking a dead horse...

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #66 on: November 14, 2017, 09:11:26 pm »
Just WoW....Talk about kicking a dead horse...


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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2017, 12:04:09 am »
Are you kidding me? Really? Please, don't stop now, you guys are too far in it. It is shorter to just bring 'er around the next bend and head for home!
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2017, 12:18:16 am »
Yep, any more "ad hominen" cheap shots will get a time out and/or moderated posting.

Let's find another thread and be cordial, this is not the best exemplar of COG.

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« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2017, 12:25:26 am »
ad hominen.....you got that in English?  :??:

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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2017, 12:38:12 am »
ad hominen.....you got that in English?  :??:

 An ad hominem argument is one that is used to counter another argument, but it is based on feelings of prejudice (often irrelevant to the argument), rather than facts, reason or logic. It is often a personal attack on one's character rather than an attempt to address the issue at hand.

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« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2017, 12:52:10 am »
Can you use it in a sentence?

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« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2017, 12:58:55 am »
Can you use it in a sentence?

gPink sometimes eggs on threads to see what happens. - OK

gPink seems to always have ulterior motives and is a liar about his motives. - Ad Hominem cheap shot. (not true)

Do the examples illustrate effectively?
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Re: Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash
« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2017, 01:00:23 am »
Can you use it in a sentence?

why just today I was making chili for supper, I asked my girl (she has a speech impediment) If I should add all the peppers or just some of them, she replied 'ad hominem'
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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2017, 01:01:29 am »
 :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Can you use it in a sentence?

why just today I was making chili for supper, I asked my girl (she has a speech impediment) If I should add all the peppers or just some of them, she replied 'ad hominem'
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