Concours 14 Fuel cut - Ivans performance ECU flash

[cuda]

You can't fix STUPID 

[Daytona_Mike]

I guess the fact that I have always used a PC with Windows qualifies me to judge Apple,  even though I've never even touched an Apple computer. Now that is some twisted logic.

Now that's funny!! LOL

[Baggerjohn]

All this becomes moot when Joe Everyman can buy the interface and software required to re-flash ECUs.

Of course, the incidences of blown-up motors may rise as well.

/ducks and runs off to forum parts unknown...

[Classvino]

There is enough information posted here for anyone to make an informed decision for themselves...

I think that sums it up right there.

So that's the end of this thread, right?  No sense disseminating redundant data and/or opinions.

I know I'm not the only one that hopes so...

Jamie

[rcannon409]

Here are 3 recent threads that are all about fuel cut symptoms, but it is purposely not mentioned because he doesn’t want anyone to know what is causing everyone’s issue... Why?

Because he can’t fix it!  So why not blame the cause on something else.

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/you-need-to-read-this-!/

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/throttle-tamer-questions/

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/driveline-lash-71937/

Why does everyone refuse to accept this?

No such thing as bad student, only bad teacher… (Pat Morita – Karate Kid)

Does anyone here think that Steve will openly admit that he can't deal with this problem?
Just the very mention of it, and he threatens to tear me up like a Rottweiler, or something similar.

Just think of it, if anyone would go against him, this is how he will react to it… Just look at the one guy who openly had issues. How did Steve treat him? I suspect that there are quite a bit more that are afraid to post about it for the same reason.

C'mon people think for yourselves... scientific evidence is in your faces, and you still refuse to accept that your abrupt throttle cannot be fixed any other way?

BTW, here’s the original dyno chart from his site… the one that I had issues with because it was done in different gears, not a true comparison at all. Notice that the current chart on his site has this info removed.

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

   You are really getting on my nerves Roland.

   To say I have not acknowledged fuel cut is a blatant lie. In fact, I posted about it in response 23 of this thread, and that's a re-post from 2 years ago. So as far back as 2 years ago I was posting about it. Let me repost again for you.

 "
 The concept of decel braking and fuel cut may be getting interchanged here. Pretty much the stock bike just dumps power as soon as you back off the throttle even a little bit. Some call it engine braking. some call it fuel cut. When it's excessive, I call it annoying. I can't stand it. I am working with the map now to try to get a smoother version of decel. I might be onto something. no promises... But IF i can pull it off, and anyone I've flashed already wants the upgrade I'll do it for the cost of shipping. "

   So here's the bottom line on that... I have a different way of dealing with fuel cut than Ivan does.  I will say this, from a tuning perspective Ivan's method is easier for the tuner. He didn't have to do all the learning and experimenting I did, But along with all my work came some revelations and results that riders like... results that Ivan wouldn't have found, because he didn't have to look.

   I have already addressed the dyno chart stuff very clearly. Again, the stock run in 4th gear actually had the advantage of gearing, and my stock run is 5HP HIGHER than Ivan's... so where is the effort to lie on my part? It doesn't exist. I have posted this previously, but you keep it up.  Here's my final word on your allegations... My charts are the exact same charts. I don't care if you don't like them. Stop trying to obfuscate and lie.

  And did you notice that guys who had loose throttle cables adjusted them, and all was good? How about the guys that have low idle settings, think it's ok to tell them to get the idles where it should be, or valves adjusted in spec?

  I actually share information with everyone here. I shared the datalog info about the slow TPS response, and a no cost fix. And somehow that's wrong of me?

   At this point, we all see that you are clearly Ivan's shill.  Your sales technique is one of tearing down another product that you have no knowledge of, and taking a clear opportunity to make personal attacks as you go.

  If you notice, I have not attacked anyone else's work. I have not first hand knowledge to do so, therefor I can't make a judgement. We are very different in that, Roland. I deal in honesty and facts... you deal in obfuscation and lies.

Steve

 

 

[RodWpg]

Trump is president, what do you all think of that. How about guns. Maybe muslims, catholics or jews? Irish people are the best.

[kv5e]

I think this thread has just about run its course guys.

Maybe take this offline?

Craig

[Baggerjohn]

Trump is president, what do you all think of that. How about guns. Maybe muslims, catholics or jews? Irish people are the best.

As long as they come equipped with a happy switch and a can, it's all good. 

[gPink]

Just WoW....Talk about kicking a dead horse...

[Bud]

Just WoW....Talk about kicking a dead horse...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8cpkwPAbY0

[old n slow]

Are you kidding me? Really? Please, don't stop now, you guys are too far in it. It is shorter to just bring 'er around the next bend and head for home!

[kv5e]

Yep, any more "ad hominen" cheap shots will get a time out and/or moderated posting.

Let's find another thread and be cordial, this is not the best exemplar of COG.

Craig

[gPink]

ad hominen.....you got that in English? 

[kv5e]

ad hominen.....you got that in English? 

 An ad hominem argument is one that is used to counter another argument, but it is based on feelings of prejudice (often irrelevant to the argument), rather than facts, reason or logic. It is often a personal attack on one's character rather than an attempt to address the issue at hand.

Craig

[gPink]

Can you use it in a sentence?

[kv5e]

Can you use it in a sentence?

gPink sometimes eggs on threads to see what happens. - OK

gPink seems to always have ulterior motives and is a liar about his motives. - Ad Hominem cheap shot. (not true)

Do the examples illustrate effectively?

[RodWpg]

Can you use it in a sentence?

why just today I was making chili for supper, I asked my girl (she has a speech impediment) If I should add all the peppers or just some of them, she replied 'ad hominem'

[kv5e]

 

Can you use it in a sentence?

why just today I was making chili for supper, I asked my girl (she has a speech impediment) If I should add all the peppers or just some of them, she replied 'ad hominem'

[gPink]

Can you use it in a sentence?

why just today I was making chili for supper, I asked my girl (she has a speech impediment) If I should add all the peppers or just some of them, she replied 'ad hominem'

See there ... the thread has already lightened up. 

[cuda]

   You are really getting on my nerves Roland.

   To say I have not acknowledged fuel cut is a blatant lie. In fact, I posted about it in response 23 of this thread, and that's a re-post from 2 years ago. So as far back as 2 years ago I was posting about it. Let me repost again for you.

 "
 The concept of decel braking and fuel cut may be getting interchanged here. Pretty much the stock bike just dumps power as soon as you back off the throttle even a little bit. Some call it engine braking. some call it fuel cut. When it's excessive, I call it annoying. I can't stand it. I am working with the map now to try to get a smoother version of decel. I might be onto something. no promises... But IF i can pull it off, and anyone I've flashed already wants the upgrade I'll do it for the cost of shipping. "

   So here's the bottom line on that... I have a different way of dealing with fuel cut than Ivan does.  I will say this, from a tuning perspective Ivan's method is easier for the tuner. He didn't have to do all the learning and experimenting I did, But along with all my work came some revelations and results that riders like... results that Ivan wouldn't have found, because he didn't have to look.

   I have already addressed the dyno chart stuff very clearly. Again, the stock run in 4th gear actually had the advantage of gearing, and my stock run is 5HP HIGHER than Ivan's... so where is the effort to lie on my part? It doesn't exist. I have posted this previously, but you keep it up.  Here's my final word on your allegations... My charts are the exact same charts. I don't care if you don't like them. Stop trying to obfuscate and lie.

  And did you notice that guys who had loose throttle cables adjusted them, and all was good? How about the guys that have low idle settings, think it's ok to tell them to get the idles where it should be, or valves adjusted in spec?

  I actually share information with everyone here. I shared the datalog info about the slow TPS response, and a no cost fix. And somehow that's wrong of me?

   At this point, we all see that you are clearly Ivan's shill.  Your sales technique is one of tearing down another product that you have no knowledge of, and taking a clear opportunity to make personal attacks as you go.

  If you notice, I have not attacked anyone else's work. I have not first hand knowledge to do so, therefor I can't make a judgement. We are very different in that, Roland. I deal in honesty and facts... you deal in obfuscation and lies.

Steve

 

 

Ya can't fix Stupid.

[rcannon409]

Im not anyone's shill, but I do think for myself.

[Bruce_Reafsnider_TN]

Im not anyone's shill, but I do think for myself.

Maybe not.  You're bashing a man over an issue that he says he's solved 2 years ago.  And the basis for your rejection of the claim is that he also suggests proper throttle cable adjustment.  I mean..c'mon!  Don't you properly adjust the air pressure in your tires.  The clutch cable, the brakes, the mirrors......all of it adds up to a properly set up and functioning motorcycle.  I don't care if Ivan's flash will twist the throttle for me without touching it, if the cables aren't right the action will not be optimal. 
Now tell us how your 'oops' moment and Ivan's webpage being removed simultaneously was just a coincidence.  Are you being paid to administer his site?  Are you providing content?  Tell us the truth, because right now your credibility is squat.  Throttle cut my hairy butt- unpaid advertisement on the site by a non-COG vendor ought to have had these threads locked long ago.

[rcannon409]

Actually, I brought up a topic called "Fuel cut". It was about how Ivan dealt with it, complete with videos. Nothing to do with how anyone else may, or may not deal with it.

No, I don't have anything to do with any web page.  I'm barely able to text, and use a smart phone. Theres no way anyone would pay me to manage a web page. Thanks, there may be a compliment in there somewhere. I did finally learn how to use spellcheck and post links.

Hes the tuner I choose to do business with.  I've paid full price for the work I got from him, and he's never sent me money, or free product or  a paycheck.

[OKC14]

This thread really is the gift that just keeps on giving.