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Concours Key issue
« on: March 29, 2018, 09:50:50 pm »
I have a 2013 Concours C14 ABS. For some odd reason the key will not remove in the FSS position. It worked fine last summer. Kind of a pain in the butt to get the spare key out to open the gas tank. Local dealer called the California office and their suggestion is to replace the whole ignition system. It is still under warranty though, but dealer wasn't sure if they send new locks for the gas tank, seat and saddle bags also.

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2018, 10:06:30 pm »
Well, it's best not to take that key out anyway.  Use the "spare" key in the KiPass FOB or get another one made for that purpose.  I suspect, however, that you just don't have it properly in the FSS position.  Does it come out in the LOCK position?  It should, perhaps there is an issue with your ignition lock but I don't think I'd have the dealer tear apart my bike for that.  But it's up to you...
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2018, 10:29:10 pm »
Bummer... if you have warranty, id place this burden upon the shoulders of Kaw, to fix it... completely... selling a bike used, that does not function as sold, is a bummer... so...use the warranty please..

As for key removal, the only position it can be removed from the lock, is in the FSS position.

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2018, 10:38:48 pm »
As for key removal, the only position it can be removed from the lock, is in the FSS position.

Yes, you're right!  It's been a long day and, unfortunately, it's been far too long since I rode my C14.  Hoping the weather will clear up one of these days soon!
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2018, 10:52:40 pm »
As for key removal, the only position it can be removed from the lock, is in the FSS position.

Yes, you're right!  It's been a long day and, unfortunately, it's been far too long since I rode my C14.  Hoping the weather will clear up one of these days soon!
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Fact is, I removed my key ONCE, when new, to see the functions... since that point, it has lived happily in its slot...
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2018, 10:53:41 am »
I remove my stove knob every time I get gas, or remove the seat ... I like living on the edge.   :motonoises:
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2018, 11:23:05 am »
Yeah I have been removing the "ignition key" every time I got gas. Nothing wrong with it. As far as it not coming out yeah the dealer should fix it under warranty and that means getting the bike back as it was when it left the showroom floor. If they have to replace all the locks to match one they have to do it.
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2018, 12:13:50 pm »
I remove my stove knob every time I get gas, or remove the seat ... I like living on the edge.   :motonoises:
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2018, 03:01:40 pm »
Coggers,

For what its worth, check to see if there is any bend or bow in the key.  Mine did the same thing and I finally noticed that there was a slight bow in the key and once I straightened on my vise, all was well again.

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2018, 08:40:21 pm »
I remove my stove knob every time I get gas, or remove the seat ... I like living on the edge.   :motonoises:

I too remove the key for fuel 70k plus miles of fuel, I would want my ignition working properly in all positions.

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2018, 03:43:35 am »
I remove mine ever time I get gas as well, after all FSS stands for fuel seat stowage right??? So FSS was intended just for that purpose. My K-Pass lives deep in my gear when I ride the thought of loosing it terrifies me, besides I am lazy and rarely get off the bike to fuel making it more difficult to access my K-PASS :nananana:
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2018, 10:56:56 pm »
Coggers,

For what its worth, check to see if there is any bend or bow in the key.  Mine did the same thing and I finally noticed that there was a slight bow in the key and once I straightened on my vise, all was well again.

Cheers!

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He would have to remove the key to do that, and if he could do that, he probably wouldn't have a problem.  :great:

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2018, 11:08:42 pm »
I have a 2013 Concours C14 ABS. For some odd reason the key will not remove in the FSS position. It worked fine last summer. Kind of a pain in the butt to get the spare key out to open the gas tank. Local dealer called the California office and their suggestion is to replace the whole ignition system. It is still under warranty though, but dealer wasn't sure if they send new locks for the gas tank, seat and saddle bags also.

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I would try to wiggle the key as I was trying to remove it. Don't wiggle it side to side, or you could break it, but in line with the blade, using the knob as a guide.  Wiggle it and push down slightly then pull alternately and it might free up a pin that might be sticking.  If you get it out, treat the lock with some graphite based lock lubricant. I have been using it on my 2009 and all my locks work very nicely.

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2018, 11:59:59 pm »
Every so often, I squirt a little silicone spray on the key
Once or twice, I've stuck the silicone spray needle right into the switch
Nothing happened except it kept working, as designed

I remove my stove knob every time I get gas, or remove the seat ... I like living on the edge.   :motonoises:
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2018, 10:38:39 pm »
Paranoia set in....I removed my key today after about a year ago when I put some Tri-Flow lube on it and it still had a coating of lube left on it. I put another squirt of Tri-Flow on it for good measure and I'm good to go. A locksmith told me about this stuff and I've put it in locks that were so frozen up with corrosion I couldn't get a key in them....squirt some in and wait a few minutes and the key slips in like its going into butter. Amazing stuff. Thanks for the reminder!!
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2018, 12:04:15 am »
Paranoia set in....I removed my key today after about a year ago when I put some Tri-Flow lube on it and it still had a coating of lube left on it. I put another squirt of Tri-Flow on it for good measure and I'm good to go. A locksmith told me about this stuff and I've put it in locks that were so frozen up with corrosion I couldn't get a key in them....squirt some in and wait a few minutes and the key slips in like its going into butter. Amazing stuff. Thanks for the reminder!!

I assume you are talking about their dry lube. I wouldn't use their other lube since it attracts dirt. I have maintained mine with regular lock lubricant, graphite basically. The key, pun intended, is to stay on top of it, once the lock gets bad, it is harder to keep it working properly.

Tri-flow is great stuff, I use their chain lube on my bicycle, bus stick to their dry lube for locks.

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2018, 01:30:12 am »
I too use the stove pipe key to refuel and remove my saddle bags as it is really convenient. 60k miles on my bike with zero issues. After reading posts here I have a spare stove pipe key cut to match, however I am no more enlightened as to why some members swear to leaving the key untouched?
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2018, 09:33:48 am »
Yeah I always  remove key for gas , EVERYTHING has to be lubricated  once is a while , just the other day I could not get the saddle bag to latch , dam piece of junk !x^*@  little spray , better than new  ;)
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2018, 11:54:32 am »

I also remove my key for pretty much everything. Been doing so for 198,000 miles. Never understood the fear of it, it is made to come out afterall.

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2018, 02:22:46 pm »
I'm just the opposite. I remove my key once or twice a year for lubricating. Use a spare key for everything else. No problems yet with my 09.
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2018, 05:26:01 pm »
Is dry lube a good lube to use in the keys? How do you apply it? onto the key, or inside the key slot?

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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2018, 05:34:55 pm »
Dry graphite can be pretty messy. I use a spray lube made for locks that is "Dry" after the carrier evaporates. Most auto parts stores will have something similar. It only needs a VERY small amount. As long as some of the lub reaches the tumblers and springs you should be ok. Things like 3 in 1 oil will collect dust and dirt making the lock gummy and sticky.
  I spray the lub directly into the lock then work the key in and out several times.
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2018, 12:24:19 am »
I'm just the opposite. I remove my key once or twice a year for lubricating. Use a spare key for everything else. No problems yet with my 09.
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2018, 12:57:34 am »
...however I am no more enlightened as to why some members swear to leaving the key untouched?

Yeah, me too.
What's up with not removing the key?
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Re: Concours Key issue
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2018, 01:11:08 am »
...however I am no more enlightened as to why some members swear to leaving the key untouched?

Yeah, me too.
What's up with not removing the key?
I think some folks may be a bit heavy handed. Using it as a lever for the gas cap etc. Just a slight tweak is all it takes. If your gentle like a new kitten it seems OK. To many reported bent key prob's for me to chance. I use the spare.
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