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Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« on: July 16, 2017, 08:22:24 pm »
Ok guys, considering upgrading from my '09 to a '12 for two reasons, ABS and perceived heat management improvement. For those of you that have ridden an '09 and a '12+, how much improved was the dissipation of the heat from the engine?
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2017, 08:34:28 pm »
How about an 08 and a 13? I don't think my 08 had the heat problems everyone talks about our my windshield position was optimal to keep the heat moving away. I don't see a whole lot of difference and I am more than comfortable on both

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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2017, 08:39:00 pm »
I agree. My 08 was great but no difference regarding heat on my 2013. Love the abs.
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2017, 08:57:45 pm »
I've had an 08 and now I have a 12.  I'm not convinced there is a significant difference in heat to the rider between them.  I know there has been a lot of discussion about it as well as some whining but I'm a skeptic.  No complaints about either one.
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2017, 10:29:50 pm »
Well I'd advise test riding the 12 in hot weather for yourself and see if the heat is better.  If the heat from your 09 bothers you, I'd bet that the 12 would be better. Many people have said the Gen2+ are cooler. The heat from my 08 bother's me  even if I'm whining! I like to tinker so I'm going to try to correct it. If I were in the market for a C14 (or any bike) now I'd test ride it on a 90deg plus day.

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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2017, 12:17:37 pm »
I'm in Florida. I had a 9, now a 12. the 12 does throw less heat when it's really hot out, noticeably less. Steve
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2017, 04:01:08 pm »
Riding with Lurch yesterday and he has an 09 identical to mine, but he had the cats taken off and then wrapped the entire pipe(s) and he says it runs much cooler now...thinking i might do something similar when i get to Arizona purely for heat reasons: Steve, how would that affect my great decel flash?
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2017, 07:46:20 pm »
Not to speak for Steve but I have an 09 with Steve's Decel Flash, I'll have the evolution soon, cats removed. I ran the header on a Branch Flow Bench before and after the catectomy. The change was negligible. Modern Cats create very little or almost no restriction. If performance is the reason you're removing them save your time and money for something else. If it's heat related that helps but much more so if you also wrap the pipes. It's like comparing a stock air filter with hi flo version. Save your money, the stock filter flows just as much as the high price version. And you don't wind up with a sticky mess in the airbox from over oiling the filter like so many do.
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2017, 07:55:22 pm »
Not to speak for Steve but I have an 09 with Steve's Decel Flash, I'll have the evolution soon, cats removed. I ran the header on a Branch Flow Bench before and after the catectomy. The change was negligible. Modern Cats create very little or almost no restriction. If performance is the reason you're removing them save your time and money for something else. If it's heat related that helps but much more so if you also wrap the pipes. It's like comparing a stock air filter with hi flo version. Save your money, the stock filter flows just as much as the high price version. And you don't wind up with a sticky mess in the airbox from over oiling the filter like so many do.

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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2017, 08:00:18 pm »
so i guess if i do decide to remove the cat it will work fine...if i did so it would be purely a heat issue..i am moving to scottsdale soon and imagine that will take it toll on my beast...
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 10:07:51 pm »
I removed not only my cats but several others and all of them were for heat, not performance. As for A/F issues it has no effect. Dump the cats, get the flash, have fun and avoid cops if you can. :)


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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2017, 01:41:14 am »
I have the flash, it terrific and i was just checking as i don't want to screw that up...
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2017, 01:19:08 am »
So it sounds like wrapping the pipes helps. What product are people using and what's wrapped? All header pipes all the way back to the chrome mid-pipe?

BTW I got my glove box temps much lower by trimming the black foam blocks just under it to let cool air in under the box.

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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2017, 01:44:44 am »
Wrapping the entire header won't hurt but IMHO starting at the collector and working back to just before the passenger peg will give you the greatest benefit.
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2017, 04:26:01 am »
Not to speak for Steve but I have an 09 with Steve's Decel Flash, I'll have the evolution soon, cats removed. I ran the header on a Branch Flow Bench before and after the catectomy. The change was negligible. Modern Cats create very little or almost no restriction. If performance is the reason you're removing them save your time and money for something else. If it's heat related that helps but much more so if you also wrap the pipes. It's like comparing a stock air filter with hi flo version. Save your money, the stock filter flows just as much as the high price version. And you don't wind up with a sticky mess in the airbox from over oiling the filter like so many do.
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2017, 04:32:19 am »
Oh there's plenty of after market "Stuff" to blow lots of money on. Just ask any riders spouse! :'(
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2017, 09:58:53 am »
Well, farkles are things that improve creature comfort is one thing. The other is perpetual  "snake oil" advertisement people seems too feeble to avoid falling victims of... :??:
I work at performance shop, I see it quite often...among younger chaps that is, older blokes seem wiser as they have established convictions.

But...back to the topic. Connie does get warm, especially in traffic. I found screen down is good to about 70° up to 60mph then it gets turbulent.
Also, wrapping headers does look ghetto on a sporty Connie...my tuppence worth of opinion.

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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2017, 12:23:06 am »
Wrapping the entire header won't hurt but IMHO starting at the collector and working back to just before the passenger peg will give you the greatest benefit.

OK thanks Deepsea.

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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2017, 10:21:42 am »
I went ZX-14 exhaust for looks.

But in searching, I wanted the `06-`07 header which has no cat in it.

Then I had it ceramic coated.

Heat went down a little from previous, but I ride in FL year round and it's just freaking hot now regardless of what you do.

I still don't see the heat issue of the `08-`09 vs. the `10up bikes.  I've ridden both and I still love my `09 because of the look of the fairing.
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2017, 11:48:33 am »
This did nothing for performance. I removed the cats and wrapped my whole system with the exception of the muffler. It definitely reduced the amount of heat. I can place my hand on the exhaust momentarily without getting fried and my two brothers exhaust is a little louder. I also removed all the California emissions s*** and put the decel kit on when I did the major service.

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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2017, 11:58:09 am »
https://www.designengineering.com/category/catalog/dei-cycle/motorcycle-exhaust-pipe-wrap-kits/titanium-exhaust-wrap-lr-technology
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Re: Engine Heat Dissipation Improvement 2009 vs 2010+
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2017, 03:02:40 am »
One word of warning. If you have Ti headers don't wrap them. The alloy used is very thin (weight) and doesn't like to be heat soaked. It makes them prone to cracking. Heat hardened Ti is Very difficult to successfully weld and if done poorly is just a big mess.
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