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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2016, 07:00:04 am »


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If I leave the stock manifold in with the catalyst, and then add a baffled tip where the slip-on goes it should be less than the 105db that the tips claim since I'd imagine that would be for an open manifold.  Someone also said the catalyst kills some of the sound, so there's that.
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Considering how panty twisting this idea is  :-[ (my boxers are fine btw :great:) - it would be smart to keep the stock header with the catalyst intact. Eliminating the back pressure entirely couldn't be good. And if Steve said it would kill some sound, it must be true. I'm curious to hear what it will sound like. Should only take a few minutes to get that muffler off and fit your baffled tip onto the mid-pipe. Are you going to post us a youtube video or what?!? Get on it!!  :motonoises:

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2016, 12:27:03 pm »
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.

That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill
the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.

This is what I was trying to get @. Forget the noise, I don't care one bit about jerks in cages.  I find that they stay far clear of me on my cruiser with the shotgun pipes and that's the way I like it.

The real issue I was bringing up is, is there a way to remove the muffler and still keep the same level of performance.  It's huge and ugly.  I want it gone.  I am only looking @ things already done to the ZX14R (which is more or less the naked version of the C14) and that is all.  I had no idea this was going to twist so many panties.

If I leave the stock manifold in with the catalyst, and then add a baffled tip where the slip-on goes it should be less than the 105db that the tips claim since I'd imagine that would be for an open manifold.  Someone also said the catalyst kills some of the sound, so there's that.  I was just looking for info, but if everyone wants to just talk s*** about something that hasn't been done yet I'll just go do it and figure it out on my own.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2016, 04:55:21 pm »
Ok, everybody calm down.
We can argue about preferences forever, but everyone has their own opinion.
Why not limit the discussion to sharing thoughts, but not arguing about them??
 
He's asking how to do something.
Doing away with the bazooka and finding a look that someone personally wants has always been something we've discussed.
Discussion on that part has been interesting. Let's keep it going.

Grendel, go to my replies (#4 and #10 {I think})
These tips, are what I think you want?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807

Open and go to the bottom. Made by Low Industries.  631 704-1377
NOTE:  They offer 1, 2, or 3 levels of baffles to control back pressure and sound.
They say to call them with questions. I'm sure they can offer idea's..

If only 1 tip, use the ZG headers you already have..
If you prefer 2 tips? You will need ZX-14 headers.
(Both have the same dia outlets)

Couple those tips with 2009 - 2012 ZX-14 headers w/Cat and you can adjust your back pressure and sound as you want it.
Here is a 2012 header;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2016, 06:21:04 pm »
I am thinking that those tips on a stock header would be way too loud and get one a ticket no matter how good you baffled it. I also don't think you'd have much in the way of performance. Probably kill mpg even more.
If the goal is to eliminate the big ugly stock can and maybe make a "little" more noise, there are some options already posted. Bike is going to run a whole lot doggish with the lack of back pressure.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2017, 07:38:16 am »

Considering how panty twisting this idea is  :-[ (my boxers are fine btw :great:) - it would be smart to keep the stock header with the catalyst intact. Eliminating the back pressure entirely couldn't be good. And if Steve said it would kill some sound, it must be true. I'm curious to hear what it will sound like. Should only take a few minutes to get that muffler off and fit your baffled tip onto the mid-pipe. Are you going to post us a youtube video or what?!? Get on it!!  :motonoises:

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Hell yea there will be a video coming. I was looking to get as much info from here as I could before I went blowing money like it was my last 24hrs to live and I was in Vegas getting hookers and beer.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2017, 07:40:26 am »
Looks to me live you're the only person in this thread who has his nickers in a wad...

See, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. If you don't have any technical advice to add can you please go be a jacka$$ somewhere else?  :))

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2017, 07:48:18 am »
Ok, everybody calm down.
We can argue about preferences forever, but everyone has their own opinion.
Why not limit the discussion to sharing thoughts, but not arguing about them??
 
He's asking how to do something.
Doing away with the bazooka and finding a look that someone personally wants has always been something we've discussed.
Discussion on that part has been interesting. Let's keep it going.

Grendel, go to my replies (#4 and #10 {I think})
These tips, are what I think you want?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807

Open and go to the bottom. Made by Low Industries.  631 704-1377
NOTE:  They offer 1, 2, or 3 levels of baffles to control back pressure and sound.
They say to call them with questions. I'm sure they can offer idea's..

If only 1 tip, use the ZG headers you already have..
If you prefer 2 tips? You will need ZX-14 headers.
(Both have the same dia outlets)

Couple those tips with 2009 - 2012 ZX-14 headers w/Cat and you can adjust your back pressure and sound as you want it.
Here is a 2012 header;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541

Ride safe, Ted


Thanks again for the info Ted, I'm starting to wish I'd just PM'd you and SISF instead of getting everyone else involved.  Those are the tips I was looking @, and I'm going to get them soon.  I'm going to try using one on the stock manifold to see if it will clear the center stand if I add the other one with the ZX14 manifold.  If it all clears then I'll get the manifold too.  There are a couple places near me that can dyno the bike, so I can see right away if the performance is taking too big of a hit.  I just need to know if Steve thinks his flash will work on this or if I should just get a PCV and get it tuned on the dyno.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2017, 12:55:57 pm »
Looks to me live you're the only person in this thread who has his nickers in a wad...

See, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. If you don't have any technical advice to add can you please go be a jacka$$ somewhere else?  :))

Wow.....jackass? I don't see any cussing or name calling in Conrad's post. But I do find these statements in yours.....

Forget the noise, I don't care one bit about jerks in cages. I find that they stay far clear of me on my cruiser with the shotgun pipes and that's the way I like it.

but if everyone wants to just talk s***

Moving on, good luck with your project.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2017, 01:22:47 pm »
I love the pipe police. Someone should make a video of a sport tourer in full power ranger gear reprimanding a parade of Harleys for loud pipes and not wearing all the gear. In all my years of riding and going to bike shows I have never seen anyone call someone out for loud pipes. I have also never seen a thread about pipes not blow up into a loud pipes save lives bitch session.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2017, 02:42:07 pm »
Get the PVC

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2017, 01:23:29 pm »
"Looks like the muffler equivalent of the Pontiac Aztec."   :D  Now that's funny!

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2017, 03:46:19 am »
For the record, I am a fan of the Pontiac.  A part of me died when GM killed it, but you can ask anyone what the ugliest thing to come out of GM was and almost everyone would say the Aztec.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2018, 10:52:58 am »
Bringing this back from the dead for a second.  I finally got a round to messing with it, and it is better than I had hoped.  I will post the vid soon, it is slightly louder @ idle than before, but for the most part SISF was totally right.  All the real noise reduction is done in the cat on these bikes, so it wasn't nearly as bad as most thought it was going to be.  It only gets really loud when I pin it ... but it did that before with the stock ugly a** muffler on it.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2018, 04:36:53 pm »
We'll be watching for your video....
What headers are you using?

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2018, 07:14:09 pm »
That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2018, 03:30:05 am »
We'll be watching for your video....
What headers are you using?

Ride safe, Ted

Just took the clamp off after the cat and clamped on the baffled turn out.  Not nearly as loud, but still sounds way better.

One thing I wanted to ask you is what did you do about the center stand landing pad?  It's not hitting the swing arm when I ride so I'm not too stressed about it.  Is there a bracket that mounts to the mid pipe bolt to hold a pad for the center stand?

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2018, 03:39:49 am »
It can be fabricated from a piece of aluminum angle iron, and a screw clamp.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2018, 03:43:12 am »
Truth

Back in 1978 1100xs Yamaha put Kerker  4 to 1 race headers  LOST low end big time, had dealer do mods to make  things better never the same...

And with in the first week of header change coming home 2 AM cop sitting behind school hit's lites  chase is on  home one mile away  zig zag in basement before cop makes it past my house,
 noise is not your friend unless you really need attention 

I took off my restrictors / noise reduction units from the Two Brothers mufflers  when I went to the Cog group's   Jennings race course training last year , I was in love with noise again , you can hear every burb , pop music for sure , just not realistic  for the street.
 I use to ride with this gal  with short open pipes , only time I had to wear ear plugs  , annoying .
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2018, 06:18:37 am »
It has no lost low end power, still rides exactly the same as before.  It's only slightly louder than before anyway.  I am still baffled by the hate I'm seeing when nobody will admit to doing this so nobody knows what it sounds like.  Everybody loves to talk big because they *think* it's loud since I removed the muffler.  Like SISF said, and more people on youtube, the cat does 90% of the baffling in the box, the muffler just changes the tone.

Thanks for the idea Ted, I will see what I can come up with.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2018, 02:31:12 pm »
Cuda; I know your a racer and understand how headers work.
          Your not quite telling the whole story about the Kerkers. <ya sly devil>
           They had large diameter/long head pipes and collector, and were designed for RPM power, not low end.
            ie; The head pipe /header design lost the low end, not just the muffler.

That's why I asked which header he was using..
If you go back into this discussion, you'll see he originally planned cat-less ZX headers and 2 of the shorty's.

NOTE: I helped him find shorty's with baffles inside...
          Because of the shorty design, no mid pipe, he may actually be restricting the flow more than a stock muffler.
          With the baffles, ZG headers and Cat, these will not as loud as you might think.

We'll all agree that his mufflers are gonna be louder than most..
Yepp, {as Cuda sed} can be a cop magnet..

We all also agree that each person builds their bike to suit themselves.
So, lets wait to see/hear his video.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2018, 07:23:42 pm »
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons



Anyone running an Area P full system or anything similar is running a completely open exhaust system.  There is baffling in the muffler surround, but the system is an "open" pipe.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2018, 07:53:32 pm »
From this entire thread I got "my last 24hrs to live and I was in Vegas getting hookers and beer." HooYah.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2018, 08:15:55 pm »
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons

Clem, go crank the beast WOT and hit some rpms... it's WAY louder than a slipon. Steve
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2018, 09:09:29 pm »
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons

Clem, go crank the beast WOT and hit some rpms... it's WAY louder than a slipon. Steve
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2018, 11:06:58 pm »
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons

Clem, go crank the beast WOT and hit some rpms... it's WAY louder than a slipon. Steve

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