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Exhaust delete?
« on: December 23, 2016, 08:55:13 am »
Hey everybody! I've been riding for about 15yrs, but all cruisers.  Finally got my 2014 Connie about a month ago.  I have been reading a lot on this forum about tip and tricks for the new bike and I have to say I love what I see. I already got the MC Enterprises canyon cage and I am looking into getting risers for the bars next.  I commute 100 miles a day and it's all freeway into San Francisco.

I have seen a lot of posts about adding another can with the ZX14R system, but has anyone tried deleting the thing altogether?  Something like the Radiant Cycles shorty GP tips I found on eBay.  Looks like you could just use one on the stock Connie exhaust or use the ZX14R manifold and it looks short enough to not require modification of the center stand.

What do we think?  Am I just out of my mind here?  I don't really care for the look of any of the can options.  I know it's most likely my issue coming from the cruiser lot.  I have wide open shotgun pipes on my XVS650CA and that is way louder than most sport bikes.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2016, 10:43:33 am »
If you've been reading very much on this forum then you should already know the kind of responses you'll get from your post.

Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one.

Before you spend the money remove the exhaust can and see how loud that thing is going to be. 
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2016, 11:37:04 am »
You might also keep in mind that in many jurisdictions, exhaust modifications are illegal.  In most sane places an aftermarket system will go unnoticed but if you have removed the muffler completely you may find yourself cited under a noise ordinance.  You might want to check the laws in your area.

But with respect to the ZX-14 without an exhaust, I have a ZX-14 and it came with Muzzy's CF slip-ons when I bought it.  The PO also had the OEM exhaust.  I decided that the Muzzy's system was just too loud for my tastes especially since I'm trying to keep what hearing I have left and that even with earplugs in, 30 minutes of riding left me with ringing ears, I decided to revert back to the OEM system.  Just for the heck of it I took the bike for a ride with the mufflers off and it's SCREAMING LOUD!  I am sure the C14 would be about the same.  The tips you mention will likely not affect the loudness at all.

If your intention is to draw attention to yourself and your bike, then I'd say you will have accomplished your mission.  But I prefer NOT to draw that kind of attention to myself.  In many places the police are already unfavorably disposed to motorcyclists, so this sort of thing just further prods them to harass you.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2016, 12:04:49 pm »
California is He!! on motorcycle inspections and some motorcycle exhaust manufacturers have explicit warnings on their products that state they are not for road use in California. 

I have a 2 Brothers CF can and besides losing all that ugly weight, it makes more than enough sound for me...
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2016, 02:57:54 pm »
Grendel, there is a set of ZX-14 headers on Ebay now with only short chrome tips installed.
I can't begin to imagine how loud it is, but apparently, someone else had the same idea as you.
I'll try to find it and post. The tips look like chrome muffler tips for a car...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14-ZX-14-OEM-EXHAUST-HEADER-MANIFOLD-PIPE-/201469358638?hash=item2ee882722e:g:1DUAAOSweuxWTMdU&vxp=mtr

Not sure how it worked out, but I do recall seeing the idea somewhere.
I think someone on the Forum looked at installing shorty mufflers by using a ZG or ZX system without Mid pipes.
Not my thing; But if done right it would look similar to some of the Yamaha Sport Bikes with tiny short mufflers.

Here is a photo of a Yamaha with one.
While digging, I found Shorty's that would fit your ZG or a ZX dia exhaust for as little as $60 with removable baffles...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-YZF600R-XB-Exhaust-Pipe-1995-2007-XB-slip-on-Extremeblaster-muffler-/261926995991?hash=item3cfc10c817:m:mD7nPAX6agRH5rP3d1zsqpA&vxp=mtr

As you can see from our replies, extremely loud is not our thing.
But, everyone has their own preferences.
If you pursue this, I would suggest the shorty mufflers without mid pipes so you have some noise control.
Otherwise, I suspect your going to have a following of police officers...

NOTE: The 2009-2012 ZX-14 headers have Cats in them and would baffle the noise a bit.
            http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541
          The early 2006 - 2008 ZX's and the 2013 and up ZX-14R systems have no cats in them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-16-Zx14r-Zx14-Zx-14-14r-Exhaust-Header-Pipe-Pipes-Manifold-Headers-/282277674446?hash=item41b90f7dce:g:ehIAAOSw4GVYQcQY&vxp=mtr

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2016, 03:03:10 am »
If you've been reading very much on this forum then you should already know the kind of responses you'll get from your post.

Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one.

Before you spend the money remove the exhaust can and see how loud that thing is going to be.

You misread something, or never got past the post title. I never said anything about open pipes, the tip I mentioned from eBay has baffles in it.  While it is a lot louder, it is NOT open.  It's only the muffler I meant to delete, not the entire system.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2016, 03:13:35 am »
Grendel, there is a set of ZX-14 headers on Ebay now with only short chrome tips installed.
I can't begin to imagine how loud it is, but apparently, someone else had the same idea as you.
I'll try to find it and post. The tips look like chrome muffler tips for a car...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14-ZX-14-OEM-EXHAUST-HEADER-MANIFOLD-PIPE-/201469358638?hash=item2ee882722e:g:1DUAAOSweuxWTMdU&vxp=mtr

Not sure how it worked out, but I do recall seeing the idea somewhere.
I think someone on the Forum looked at installing shorty mufflers by using a ZG or ZX system without Mid pipes.
Not my thing; But if done right it would look similar to some of the Yamaha Sport Bikes with tiny short mufflers.

Here is a photo of a Yamaha with one.
While digging, I found Shorty's that would fit your ZG or a ZX dia exhaust for as little as $60 with removable baffles...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-YZF600R-XB-Exhaust-Pipe-1995-2007-XB-slip-on-Extremeblaster-muffler-/261926995991?hash=item3cfc10c817:m:mD7nPAX6agRH5rP3d1zsqpA&vxp=mtr

As you can see from our replies, extremely loud is not our thing.
But, everyone has their own preferences.
If you pursue this, I would suggest the shorty mufflers without mid pipes so you have some noise control.
Otherwise, I suspect your going to have a following of police officers...

NOTE: The 2009-2012 ZX-14 headers have Cats in them and would baffle the noise a bit.
            http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541
          The early 2006 - 2008 ZX's and the 2013 and up ZX-14R systems have no cats in them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-16-Zx14r-Zx14-Zx-14-14r-Exhaust-Header-Pipe-Pipes-Manifold-Headers-/282277674446?hash=item41b90f7dce:g:ehIAAOSw4GVYQcQY&vxp=mtr

Ride safe, Ted


The first link is what I was looking @ more or less.  The tips I found were black and have baffles in them so it's not an open pipe thing.  I know you need back pressure to some extent.  I did say I came from cruisers didn't I?  My Yama looks and sounds like a HD twice it's size.

I have never seen/heard of any inspections for motorcycles in Cali.  I've never received a notice from the DMV to have anything inspected so I'm not sure what the issue would be.  Except for the noise issue, but I just stay out of Walnut Creek and the like.  The system in the first link is 105db, which I think is very respectable.  I'm sure most on the ZX forums would call that a mouse fart.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2016, 10:57:09 am »
If you've been reading very much on this forum then you should already know the kind of responses you'll get from your post.

Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one.

Before you spend the money remove the exhaust can and see how loud that thing is going to be.

You misread something, or never got past the post title. I never said anything about open pipes, the tip I mentioned from eBay has baffles in it.  While it is a lot louder, it is NOT open.  It's only the muffler I meant to delete, not the entire system.

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My reading comprehension is normally pretty high.

"Something like the Radiant Cycles shorty GP tips I found on eBay."

Tips usually do not have baffles in them.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2016, 12:22:24 pm »
I use a ZX14 header(08) cats gone, thru a pair of Two Brothers cans, the cans are open straight thru, with fiberglass around the outside , no restriction, they were way too loud for me,
 lucky someone on here told me about Power Tips that Two Brothers sells , they are nothing more than three sizes of restrictors , so you can dial in your sound level needs,
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2016, 03:25:36 pm »
My wife and I cannot ride my motorcycle to our kids house, and until her parents moved, we could not visit them on my motorcycle.
We cannot ride to visit other relatives and friends near them also.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2016, 03:40:25 pm »
For ya'll to review;
I did some more digging and found the tips that I think he is interested in.
They advertise baffling, (and additional baffling) is available.
Claim 105 db.   I find that db number kinda hard to believe. But read more to see.

Black Tips;  Uhhh, go to photo 2 to see the err "muffler' tips.. (You will understand after opening)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-13-zx14-Shorty-slip-on-MINI-drag-muffler-BLACK-2-pipes/191105781807?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D54de1b089a4d4874bb6f55f209216b67%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D191619810288

Chrome Tips;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807

Also found some Coffman mufflers that might fit his wants;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Kawasaki-ZX14-Coffman-Exhaust/282291556036?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D0cdd3bc38fb8480d803a0b4d9d04115d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D191619810288

Digging thru other Coffman adds, they say;
                                                     for closed course use only,,
                                                               and
                                                     THESE MUFFLERS ARE LOUD!

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2016, 04:44:34 pm »
If you're going fast enough all the noise is behind you.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2016, 05:20:56 pm »
If you're going fast enough all the noise is behind you.

My van doesn't have a muffler. Once you get beyond
77 mph it's no longer an issue.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2016, 03:53:26 am »
For ya'll to review;
I did some more digging and found the tips that I think he is interested in.
They advertise baffling, (and additional baffling) is available.
Claim 105 db.   I find that db number kinda hard to believe. But read more to see.

Black Tips;  Uhhh, go to photo 2 to see the err "muffler' tips.. (You will understand after opening)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-13-zx14-Shorty-slip-on-MINI-drag-muffler-BLACK-2-pipes/191105781807?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D54de1b089a4d4874bb6f55f209216b67%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D191619810288

Chrome Tips;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807

Also found some Coffman mufflers that might fit his wants;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Kawasaki-ZX14-Coffman-Exhaust/282291556036?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D0cdd3bc38fb8480d803a0b4d9d04115d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D191619810288

Digging thru other Coffman adds, they say;
                                                     for closed course use only,,
                                                               and
                                                     THESE MUFFLERS ARE LOUD!

Ride safe, Ted


I can live with the 105db, I'm sure my V-Star is louder and I rode that for years with no issues from cops or anything else.  The top one is pretty much what I was looking @, stupid computer crashes every time I try to paste the link.  The Coffman system is ok, but I'm trying to get rid of the look of it.  If I can't remove it from sight I'd rather go with a full Area P system so it @ least looks nice.  I just can't deal with the giant trapezoid sitting behind me now.  It's quiet, but ugly as all hell.  Looks like the muffler equivalent of the Pontiac Aztec.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2016, 03:57:14 am »
places are gonna become like this, because.. they can.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2016, 01:42:00 pm »
 Grendel, I don't think you're going to get where you want with just muffler deletes on a stock header. The cats really mute alot of the volume, hence the big difference in volume between slipons and full systems. I think you need to consider de-catting the head pipe as a minimum, and then proced with the tips from there. Better yet, get a zx14 header without cats from a 14r, and then the tips you want. Hey, if you gotta make a statement, make it loud and clear!  ;)  Steve
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2016, 02:06:27 pm »
Hilton Head has been filled with Bike Nazis since the late 70's.  I went there from Ft. Stewart Ga. on my Roaring badass KZ440 with stock exhaust and the local constable was on me like stink on, (well you know).  Chased me and two other similarly shod bikers off the public beach when we were parking in the public lot.  I guess there was enough local money to chase off the tourists but I remember it being awkward.  It was one of those Cletus moments, you knew that if you listened to him you would probably make it out alive, if you wanted to stick up for your rights well....."Yah got a broken taillight here Mister"  we left.  I as a yankee felt like a lot of places in the south (at least back then) didn't really want me around.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2016, 07:42:34 pm »
Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one. 

Anyone running an Area P full system or anything similar is running a completely open exhaust system.  There is baffling in the muffler surround, but the system is an "open" pipe.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2016, 08:56:24 am »
Grendel, I don't think you're going to get where you want with just muffler deletes on a stock header. The cats really mute alot of the volume, hence the big difference in volume between slipons and full systems. I think you need to consider de-catting the head pipe as a minimum, and then proced with the tips from there. Better yet, get a zx14 header without cats from a 14r, and then the tips you want. Hey, if you gotta make a statement, make it loud and clear!  ;)  Steve

That is exactly what I was thinking actually.  Got a flash for that?  :)

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2016, 01:36:34 am »
When I had my 08, I didn't own a welder.   And living in the sticks, it was a 25 minute ride to the nearest exhaust shop running just the ZX14 catless header and no pipes.  The sound wavelengths the bike produces resonated through my helmet and even past my ear buds.  It generated a buzzing noise in my ear, that by the time I rode 25 miles, gave me the most ridiculous headache you can imagine.  It was unbearable.  And I LOVE LOUD PIPES!   It just doesn't work with these bikes.
Spend the money and get yourself a good tuned system that is loud.  But don't try to go straight pipe.  You won't like it.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2016, 10:10:45 pm »
Hey everybody! I've been riding for about 15yrs, but all cruisers.  Finally got my 2014 Connie about a month ago.  I have been reading a lot on this forum about tip and tricks for the new bike and I have to say I love what I see. I already got the MC Enterprises canyon cage and I am looking into getting risers for the bars next.  I commute 100 miles a day and it's all freeway into San Francisco.

I have seen a lot of posts about adding another can with the ZX14R system, but has anyone tried deleting the thing altogether?  Something like the Radiant Cycles shorty GP tips I found on eBay.  Looks like you could just use one on the stock Connie exhaust or use the ZX14R manifold and it looks short enough to not require modification of the center stand.

What do we think?  Am I just out of my mind here?  I don't really care for the look of any of the can options.  I know it's most likely my issue coming from the cruiser lot.  I have wide open shotgun pipes on my XVS650CA and that is way louder than most sport bikes.

Ryan

You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler. 
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2016, 10:35:41 pm »

I can live with the 105db, .......................................
Ryan

Not for long; 105 dB is stupid loud.  The OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit at 105 dB is 1 hour.  The NIOSH PEL is under 15 minutes.  It is the equivalent of a passenger jet take-off at ~1/2 mile away!  Hearing damage occurs above 85 dB for long term exposure.  105 db has 100 times the energy (acoustic power) of 85 dB. 
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2016, 04:17:51 am »
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.

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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2016, 05:27:13 am »
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.

That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill
the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.
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Re: Exhaust delete?
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2016, 06:29:45 am »
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.

That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill
the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.

This is what I was trying to get @. Forget the noise, I don't care one bit about jerks in cages.  I find that they stay far clear of me on my cruiser with the shotgun pipes and that's the way I like it.

The real issue I was bringing up is, is there a way to remove the muffler and still keep the same level of performance.  It's huge and ugly.  I want it gone.  I am only looking @ things already done to the ZX14R (which is more or less the naked version of the C14) and that is all.  I had no idea this was going to twist so many panties.

If I leave the stock manifold in with the catalyst, and then add a baffled tip where the slip-on goes it should be less than the 105db that the tips claim since I'd imagine that would be for an open manifold.  Someone also said the catalyst kills some of the sound, so there's that.  I was just looking for info, but if everyone wants to just talk s*** about something that hasn't been done yet I'll just go do it and figure it out on my own.

Ryan