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Title: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 23, 2016, 08:55:13 am
Hey everybody! I've been riding for about 15yrs, but all cruisers.  Finally got my 2014 Connie about a month ago.  I have been reading a lot on this forum about tip and tricks for the new bike and I have to say I love what I see. I already got the MC Enterprises canyon cage and I am looking into getting risers for the bars next.  I commute 100 miles a day and it's all freeway into San Francisco.

I have seen a lot of posts about adding another can with the ZX14R system, but has anyone tried deleting the thing altogether?  Something like the Radiant Cycles shorty GP tips I found on eBay.  Looks like you could just use one on the stock Connie exhaust or use the ZX14R manifold and it looks short enough to not require modification of the center stand.

What do we think?  Am I just out of my mind here?  I don't really care for the look of any of the can options.  I know it's most likely my issue coming from the cruiser lot.  I have wide open shotgun pipes on my XVS650CA and that is way louder than most sport bikes.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Conrad on December 23, 2016, 10:43:33 am
If you've been reading very much on this forum then you should already know the kind of responses you'll get from your post.

Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one.

Before you spend the money remove the exhaust can and see how loud that thing is going to be. 
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: jwh20 on December 23, 2016, 11:37:04 am
You might also keep in mind that in many jurisdictions, exhaust modifications are illegal.  In most sane places an aftermarket system will go unnoticed but if you have removed the muffler completely you may find yourself cited under a noise ordinance.  You might want to check the laws in your area.

But with respect to the ZX-14 without an exhaust, I have a ZX-14 and it came with Muzzy's CF slip-ons when I bought it.  The PO also had the OEM exhaust.  I decided that the Muzzy's system was just too loud for my tastes especially since I'm trying to keep what hearing I have left and that even with earplugs in, 30 minutes of riding left me with ringing ears, I decided to revert back to the OEM system.  Just for the heck of it I took the bike for a ride with the mufflers off and it's SCREAMING LOUD!  I am sure the C14 would be about the same.  The tips you mention will likely not affect the loudness at all.

If your intention is to draw attention to yourself and your bike, then I'd say you will have accomplished your mission.  But I prefer NOT to draw that kind of attention to myself.  In many places the police are already unfavorably disposed to motorcyclists, so this sort of thing just further prods them to harass you.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: d04011 on December 23, 2016, 12:04:49 pm
California is He!! on motorcycle inspections and some motorcycle exhaust manufacturers have explicit warnings on their products that state they are not for road use in California. 

I have a 2 Brothers CF can and besides losing all that ugly weight, it makes more than enough sound for me...
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: connie_rider on December 23, 2016, 02:57:54 pm
Grendel, there is a set of ZX-14 headers on Ebay now with only short chrome tips installed.
I can't begin to imagine how loud it is, but apparently, someone else had the same idea as you.
I'll try to find it and post. The tips look like chrome muffler tips for a car...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14-ZX-14-OEM-EXHAUST-HEADER-MANIFOLD-PIPE-/201469358638?hash=item2ee882722e:g:1DUAAOSweuxWTMdU&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14-ZX-14-OEM-EXHAUST-HEADER-MANIFOLD-PIPE-/201469358638?hash=item2ee882722e:g:1DUAAOSweuxWTMdU&vxp=mtr)

Not sure how it worked out, but I do recall seeing the idea somewhere.
I think someone on the Forum looked at installing shorty mufflers by using a ZG or ZX system without Mid pipes.
Not my thing; But if done right it would look similar to some of the Yamaha Sport Bikes with tiny short mufflers.

Here is a photo of a Yamaha with one.
While digging, I found Shorty's that would fit your ZG or a ZX dia exhaust for as little as $60 with removable baffles...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-YZF600R-XB-Exhaust-Pipe-1995-2007-XB-slip-on-Extremeblaster-muffler-/261926995991?hash=item3cfc10c817:m:mD7nPAX6agRH5rP3d1zsqpA&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-YZF600R-XB-Exhaust-Pipe-1995-2007-XB-slip-on-Extremeblaster-muffler-/261926995991?hash=item3cfc10c817:m:mD7nPAX6agRH5rP3d1zsqpA&vxp=mtr)

As you can see from our replies, extremely loud is not our thing.
But, everyone has their own preferences.
If you pursue this, I would suggest the shorty mufflers without mid pipes so you have some noise control.
Otherwise, I suspect your going to have a following of police officers...

NOTE: The 2009-2012 ZX-14 headers have Cats in them and would baffle the noise a bit.
            http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541)
          The early 2006 - 2008 ZX's and the 2013 and up ZX-14R systems have no cats in them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-16-Zx14r-Zx14-Zx-14-14r-Exhaust-Header-Pipe-Pipes-Manifold-Headers-/282277674446?hash=item41b90f7dce:g:ehIAAOSw4GVYQcQY&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-16-Zx14r-Zx14-Zx-14-14r-Exhaust-Header-Pipe-Pipes-Manifold-Headers-/282277674446?hash=item41b90f7dce:g:ehIAAOSw4GVYQcQY&vxp=mtr)

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 24, 2016, 03:03:10 am
If you've been reading very much on this forum then you should already know the kind of responses you'll get from your post.

Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one.

Before you spend the money remove the exhaust can and see how loud that thing is going to be.

You misread something, or never got past the post title. I never said anything about open pipes, the tip I mentioned from eBay has baffles in it.  While it is a lot louder, it is NOT open.  It's only the muffler I meant to delete, not the entire system.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 24, 2016, 03:13:35 am
Grendel, there is a set of ZX-14 headers on Ebay now with only short chrome tips installed.
I can't begin to imagine how loud it is, but apparently, someone else had the same idea as you.
I'll try to find it and post. The tips look like chrome muffler tips for a car...
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14-ZX-14-OEM-EXHAUST-HEADER-MANIFOLD-PIPE-/201469358638?hash=item2ee882722e:g:1DUAAOSweuxWTMdU&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14-ZX-14-OEM-EXHAUST-HEADER-MANIFOLD-PIPE-/201469358638?hash=item2ee882722e:g:1DUAAOSweuxWTMdU&vxp=mtr[/url])

Not sure how it worked out, but I do recall seeing the idea somewhere.
I think someone on the Forum looked at installing shorty mufflers by using a ZG or ZX system without Mid pipes.
Not my thing; But if done right it would look similar to some of the Yamaha Sport Bikes with tiny short mufflers.

Here is a photo of a Yamaha with one.
While digging, I found Shorty's that would fit your ZG or a ZX dia exhaust for as little as $60 with removable baffles...
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-YZF600R-XB-Exhaust-Pipe-1995-2007-XB-slip-on-Extremeblaster-muffler-/261926995991?hash=item3cfc10c817:m:mD7nPAX6agRH5rP3d1zsqpA&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-YZF600R-XB-Exhaust-Pipe-1995-2007-XB-slip-on-Extremeblaster-muffler-/261926995991?hash=item3cfc10c817:m:mD7nPAX6agRH5rP3d1zsqpA&vxp=mtr[/url])

As you can see from our replies, extremely loud is not our thing.
But, everyone has their own preferences.
If you pursue this, I would suggest the shorty mufflers without mid pipes so you have some noise control.
Otherwise, I suspect your going to have a following of police officers...

NOTE: The 2009-2012 ZX-14 headers have Cats in them and would baffle the noise a bit.
            [url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541[/url])
          The early 2006 - 2008 ZX's and the 2013 and up ZX-14R systems have no cats in them.
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-16-Zx14r-Zx14-Zx-14-14r-Exhaust-Header-Pipe-Pipes-Manifold-Headers-/282277674446?hash=item41b90f7dce:g:ehIAAOSw4GVYQcQY&vxp=mtr[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-13-14-15-16-Zx14r-Zx14-Zx-14-14r-Exhaust-Header-Pipe-Pipes-Manifold-Headers-/282277674446?hash=item41b90f7dce:g:ehIAAOSw4GVYQcQY&vxp=mtr[/url])

Ride safe, Ted


The first link is what I was looking @ more or less.  The tips I found were black and have baffles in them so it's not an open pipe thing.  I know you need back pressure to some extent.  I did say I came from cruisers didn't I?  My Yama looks and sounds like a HD twice it's size.

I have never seen/heard of any inspections for motorcycles in Cali.  I've never received a notice from the DMV to have anything inspected so I'm not sure what the issue would be.  Except for the noise issue, but I just stay out of Walnut Creek and the like.  The system in the first link is 105db, which I think is very respectable.  I'm sure most on the ZX forums would call that a mouse fart.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Conrad on December 24, 2016, 10:57:09 am
If you've been reading very much on this forum then you should already know the kind of responses you'll get from your post.

Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one.

Before you spend the money remove the exhaust can and see how loud that thing is going to be.

You misread something, or never got past the post title. I never said anything about open pipes, the tip I mentioned from eBay has baffles in it.  While it is a lot louder, it is NOT open.  It's only the muffler I meant to delete, not the entire system.

Ryan

My reading comprehension is normally pretty high.

"Something like the Radiant Cycles shorty GP tips I found on eBay."

Tips usually do not have baffles in them.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: cuda on December 24, 2016, 12:22:24 pm
I use a ZX14 header(08) cats gone, thru a pair of Two Brothers cans, the cans are open straight thru, with fiberglass around the outside , no restriction, they were way too loud for me,
 lucky someone on here told me about Power Tips that Two Brothers sells , they are nothing more than three sizes of restrictors , so you can dial in your sound level needs,
My local Dyno high performance shop told me I just lost 3hp at 9,000 rpm's ... SO WHAT
He drag races a ZX14 , If I was drag racing I would pull off those end caps for the day , but to drive around town acting like racer boy is not me.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on December 24, 2016, 03:25:36 pm
My wife and I cannot ride my motorcycle to our kids house, and until her parents moved, we could not visit them on my motorcycle.
We cannot ride to visit other relatives and friends near them also.
It's kinda sad. :truce: :truce:

places are gonna become like this, because.. they can.
http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/community/beaufort-news/article33462084.html (http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/community/beaufort-news/article33462084.html)

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Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: connie_rider on December 24, 2016, 03:40:25 pm
For ya'll to review;
I did some more digging and found the tips that I think he is interested in.
They advertise baffling, (and additional baffling) is available.
Claim 105 db.   I find that db number kinda hard to believe. But read more to see.

Black Tips;  Uhhh, go to photo 2 to see the err "muffler' tips.. (You will understand after opening)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-13-zx14-Shorty-slip-on-MINI-drag-muffler-BLACK-2-pipes/191105781807?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D54de1b089a4d4874bb6f55f209216b67%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D191619810288 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-13-zx14-Shorty-slip-on-MINI-drag-muffler-BLACK-2-pipes/191105781807?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D54de1b089a4d4874bb6f55f209216b67%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D191619810288)

Chrome Tips;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807)

Also found some Coffman mufflers that might fit his wants;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Kawasaki-ZX14-Coffman-Exhaust/282291556036?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D0cdd3bc38fb8480d803a0b4d9d04115d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D191619810288 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Kawasaki-ZX14-Coffman-Exhaust/282291556036?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D0cdd3bc38fb8480d803a0b4d9d04115d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D191619810288)

Digging thru other Coffman adds, they say;
                                                     for closed course use only,,
                                                               and
                                                     THESE MUFFLERS ARE LOUD!

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: gPink on December 24, 2016, 04:44:34 pm
If you're going fast enough all the noise is behind you.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: works4me on December 24, 2016, 05:20:56 pm
If you're going fast enough all the noise is behind you.

My van doesn't have a muffler. Once you get beyond
77 mph it's no longer an issue.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 25, 2016, 03:53:26 am
For ya'll to review;
I did some more digging and found the tips that I think he is interested in.
They advertise baffling, (and additional baffling) is available.
Claim 105 db.   I find that db number kinda hard to believe. But read more to see.

Black Tips;  Uhhh, go to photo 2 to see the err "muffler' tips.. (You will understand after opening)
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-13-zx14-Shorty-slip-on-MINI-drag-muffler-BLACK-2-pipes/191105781807?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D54de1b089a4d4874bb6f55f209216b67%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D191619810288[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/06-13-zx14-Shorty-slip-on-MINI-drag-muffler-BLACK-2-pipes/191105781807?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D54de1b089a4d4874bb6f55f209216b67%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D191619810288[/url])

Chrome Tips;
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807[/url])

Also found some Coffman mufflers that might fit his wants;
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Kawasaki-ZX14-Coffman-Exhaust/282291556036?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D0cdd3bc38fb8480d803a0b4d9d04115d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D191619810288[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Kawasaki-ZX14-Coffman-Exhaust/282291556036?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D0cdd3bc38fb8480d803a0b4d9d04115d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D191619810288[/url])

Digging thru other Coffman adds, they say;
                                                     for closed course use only,,
                                                               and
                                                     THESE MUFFLERS ARE LOUD!

Ride safe, Ted


I can live with the 105db, I'm sure my V-Star is louder and I rode that for years with no issues from cops or anything else.  The top one is pretty much what I was looking @, stupid computer crashes every time I try to paste the link.  The Coffman system is ok, but I'm trying to get rid of the look of it.  If I can't remove it from sight I'd rather go with a full Area P system so it @ least looks nice.  I just can't deal with the giant trapezoid sitting behind me now.  It's quiet, but ugly as all hell.  Looks like the muffler equivalent of the Pontiac Aztec.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 25, 2016, 03:57:14 am
places are gonna become like this, because.. they can.
[url]http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/community/beaufort-news/article33462084.html[/url] ([url]http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/community/beaufort-news/article33462084.html[/url])

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I read that, yea... f*** those Nazis.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on December 25, 2016, 01:42:00 pm
 Grendel, I don't think you're going to get where you want with just muffler deletes on a stock header. The cats really mute alot of the volume, hence the big difference in volume between slipons and full systems. I think you need to consider de-catting the head pipe as a minimum, and then proced with the tips from there. Better yet, get a zx14 header without cats from a 14r, and then the tips you want. Hey, if you gotta make a statement, make it loud and clear!  ;)  Steve
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: JerBear on December 25, 2016, 02:06:27 pm
Hilton Head has been filled with Bike Nazis since the late 70's.  I went there from Ft. Stewart Ga. on my Roaring badass KZ440 with stock exhaust and the local constable was on me like stink on, (well you know).  Chased me and two other similarly shod bikers off the public beach when we were parking in the public lot.  I guess there was enough local money to chase off the tourists but I remember it being awkward.  It was one of those Cletus moments, you knew that if you listened to him you would probably make it out alive, if you wanted to stick up for your rights well....."Yah got a broken taillight here Mister"  we left.  I as a yankee felt like a lot of places in the south (at least back then) didn't really want me around.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: BerndV on December 25, 2016, 07:42:34 pm
Loud pipes do not save lives and I'll bet that no-one here runs an open pipe on their C-14, no-one. 

Anyone running an Area P full system or anything similar is running a completely open exhaust system.  There is baffling in the muffler surround, but the system is an "open" pipe.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 26, 2016, 08:56:24 am
Grendel, I don't think you're going to get where you want with just muffler deletes on a stock header. The cats really mute alot of the volume, hence the big difference in volume between slipons and full systems. I think you need to consider de-catting the head pipe as a minimum, and then proced with the tips from there. Better yet, get a zx14 header without cats from a 14r, and then the tips you want. Hey, if you gotta make a statement, make it loud and clear!  ;)  Steve

That is exactly what I was thinking actually.  Got a flash for that?  :)

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Graphicjunkie on December 27, 2016, 01:36:34 am
When I had my 08, I didn't own a welder.   And living in the sticks, it was a 25 minute ride to the nearest exhaust shop running just the ZX14 catless header and no pipes.  The sound wavelengths the bike produces resonated through my helmet and even past my ear buds.  It generated a buzzing noise in my ear, that by the time I rode 25 miles, gave me the most ridiculous headache you can imagine.  It was unbearable.  And I LOVE LOUD PIPES!   It just doesn't work with these bikes.
Spend the money and get yourself a good tuned system that is loud.  But don't try to go straight pipe.  You won't like it.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Colt45 on December 28, 2016, 10:10:45 pm
Hey everybody! I've been riding for about 15yrs, but all cruisers.  Finally got my 2014 Connie about a month ago.  I have been reading a lot on this forum about tip and tricks for the new bike and I have to say I love what I see. I already got the MC Enterprises canyon cage and I am looking into getting risers for the bars next.  I commute 100 miles a day and it's all freeway into San Francisco.

I have seen a lot of posts about adding another can with the ZX14R system, but has anyone tried deleting the thing altogether?  Something like the Radiant Cycles shorty GP tips I found on eBay.  Looks like you could just use one on the stock Connie exhaust or use the ZX14R manifold and it looks short enough to not require modification of the center stand.

What do we think?  Am I just out of my mind here?  I don't really care for the look of any of the can options.  I know it's most likely my issue coming from the cruiser lot.  I have wide open shotgun pipes on my XVS650CA and that is way louder than most sport bikes.

Ryan

You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler. 
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Colt45 on December 28, 2016, 10:35:41 pm

I can live with the 105db, .......................................
Ryan

Not for long; 105 dB is stupid loud.  The OSHA Permissible Exposure Limit at 105 dB is 1 hour.  The NIOSH PEL is under 15 minutes.  It is the equivalent of a passenger jet take-off at ~1/2 mile away!  Hearing damage occurs above 85 dB for long term exposure.  105 db has 100 times the energy (acoustic power) of 85 dB. 
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 31, 2016, 04:17:51 am
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Jim Snyder on December 31, 2016, 05:27:13 am
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.

That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill
the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on December 31, 2016, 06:29:45 am
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.

That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill
the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.

This is what I was trying to get @. Forget the noise, I don't care one bit about jerks in cages.  I find that they stay far clear of me on my cruiser with the shotgun pipes and that's the way I like it.

The real issue I was bringing up is, is there a way to remove the muffler and still keep the same level of performance.  It's huge and ugly.  I want it gone.  I am only looking @ things already done to the ZX14R (which is more or less the naked version of the C14) and that is all.  I had no idea this was going to twist so many panties.

If I leave the stock manifold in with the catalyst, and then add a baffled tip where the slip-on goes it should be less than the 105db that the tips claim since I'd imagine that would be for an open manifold.  Someone also said the catalyst kills some of the sound, so there's that.  I was just looking for info, but if everyone wants to just talk s*** about something that hasn't been done yet I'll just go do it and figure it out on my own.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Fais on December 31, 2016, 07:00:04 am


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If I leave the stock manifold in with the catalyst, and then add a baffled tip where the slip-on goes it should be less than the 105db that the tips claim since I'd imagine that would be for an open manifold.  Someone also said the catalyst kills some of the sound, so there's that.
Ryan
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Considering how panty twisting this idea is  :-[ (my boxers are fine btw :great:) - it would be smart to keep the stock header with the catalyst intact. Eliminating the back pressure entirely couldn't be good. And if Steve said it would kill some sound, it must be true. I'm curious to hear what it will sound like. Should only take a few minutes to get that muffler off and fit your baffled tip onto the mid-pipe. Are you going to post us a youtube video or what?!? Get on it!!  :motonoises:

 :beerchug:

Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Conrad on December 31, 2016, 12:27:03 pm
You CANNOT ride with me without a real muffler.

That's not an issue, I ride alone.

That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill
the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.

This is what I was trying to get @. Forget the noise, I don't care one bit about jerks in cages.  I find that they stay far clear of me on my cruiser with the shotgun pipes and that's the way I like it.

The real issue I was bringing up is, is there a way to remove the muffler and still keep the same level of performance.  It's huge and ugly.  I want it gone.  I am only looking @ things already done to the ZX14R (which is more or less the naked version of the C14) and that is all.  I had no idea this was going to twist so many panties.

If I leave the stock manifold in with the catalyst, and then add a baffled tip where the slip-on goes it should be less than the 105db that the tips claim since I'd imagine that would be for an open manifold.  Someone also said the catalyst kills some of the sound, so there's that.  I was just looking for info, but if everyone wants to just talk s*** about something that hasn't been done yet I'll just go do it and figure it out on my own.

Ryan

Looks to me like you're the only person in this thread who has his nickers in a wad...
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: connie_rider on December 31, 2016, 04:55:21 pm
Ok, everybody calm down.
We can argue about preferences forever, but everyone has their own opinion.
Why not limit the discussion to sharing thoughts, but not arguing about them??
 
He's asking how to do something.
Doing away with the bazooka and finding a look that someone personally wants has always been something we've discussed.
Discussion on that part has been interesting. Let's keep it going.

Grendel, go to my replies (#4 and #10 {I think})
These tips, are what I think you want?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807)

Open and go to the bottom. Made by Low Industries.  631 704-1377
NOTE:  They offer 1, 2, or 3 levels of baffles to control back pressure and sound.
They say to call them with questions. I'm sure they can offer idea's..

If only 1 tip, use the ZG headers you already have..
If you prefer 2 tips? You will need ZX-14 headers.
(Both have the same dia outlets)

Couple those tips with 2009 - 2012 ZX-14 headers w/Cat and you can adjust your back pressure and sound as you want it.
Here is a 2012 header;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541)

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: TimB_PA on December 31, 2016, 06:21:04 pm
I am thinking that those tips on a stock header would be way too loud and get one a ticket no matter how good you baffled it. I also don't think you'd have much in the way of performance. Probably kill mpg even more.
If the goal is to eliminate the big ugly stock can and maybe make a "little" more noise, there are some options already posted. Bike is going to run a whole lot doggish with the lack of back pressure.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on January 01, 2017, 07:38:16 am

Considering how panty twisting this idea is  :-[ (my boxers are fine btw :great:) - it would be smart to keep the stock header with the catalyst intact. Eliminating the back pressure entirely couldn't be good. And if Steve said it would kill some sound, it must be true. I'm curious to hear what it will sound like. Should only take a few minutes to get that muffler off and fit your baffled tip onto the mid-pipe. Are you going to post us a youtube video or what?!? Get on it!!  :motonoises:

 :beerchug:

Hell yea there will be a video coming. I was looking to get as much info from here as I could before I went blowing money like it was my last 24hrs to live and I was in Vegas getting hookers and beer.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on January 01, 2017, 07:40:26 am
Looks to me live you're the only person in this thread who has his nickers in a wad...

See, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. If you don't have any technical advice to add can you please go be a jacka$$ somewhere else?  :))
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on January 01, 2017, 07:48:18 am
Ok, everybody calm down.
We can argue about preferences forever, but everyone has their own opinion.
Why not limit the discussion to sharing thoughts, but not arguing about them??
 
He's asking how to do something.
Doing away with the bazooka and finding a look that someone personally wants has always been something we've discussed.
Discussion on that part has been interesting. Let's keep it going.

Grendel, go to my replies (#4 and #10 {I think})
These tips, are what I think you want?
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-zx14-zx-14-moto-gp-exhaust-stubby-2-mufflers/191619810288?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D5658afcb039a454da07a02990848b737%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D191105781807[/url])

Open and go to the bottom. Made by Low Industries.  631 704-1377
NOTE:  They offer 1, 2, or 3 levels of baffles to control back pressure and sound.
They say to call them with questions. I'm sure they can offer idea's..

If only 1 tip, use the ZG headers you already have..
If you prefer 2 tips? You will need ZX-14 headers.
(Both have the same dia outlets)

Couple those tips with 2009 - 2012 ZX-14 headers w/Cat and you can adjust your back pressure and sound as you want it.
Here is a 2012 header;
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-KAWASAKI-NINJA-ZX14R-ZX1400E-EXHAUST-HEADER-PIPES-MANIFOLD/401234721228?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3Da8ee7c9fdb614ecb894e13b654f9e986%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291931352541[/url])

Ride safe, Ted


Thanks again for the info Ted, I'm starting to wish I'd just PM'd you and SISF instead of getting everyone else involved.  Those are the tips I was looking @, and I'm going to get them soon.  I'm going to try using one on the stock manifold to see if it will clear the center stand if I add the other one with the ZX14 manifold.  If it all clears then I'll get the manifold too.  There are a couple places near me that can dyno the bike, so I can see right away if the performance is taking too big of a hit.  I just need to know if Steve thinks his flash will work on this or if I should just get a PCV and get it tuned on the dyno.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: gPink on January 01, 2017, 12:55:57 pm
Looks to me live you're the only person in this thread who has his nickers in a wad...

See, this is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. If you don't have any technical advice to add can you please go be a jacka$$ somewhere else?  :))

Wow.....jackass? I don't see any cussing or name calling in Conrad's post. But I do find these statements in yours.....

Forget the noise, I don't care one bit about jerks in cages. I find that they stay far clear of me on my cruiser with the shotgun pipes and that's the way I like it.

but if everyone wants to just talk s***

Moving on, good luck with your project.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: ConcoursKZ on January 01, 2017, 01:22:47 pm
I love the pipe police. Someone should make a video of a sport tourer in full power ranger gear reprimanding a parade of Harleys for loud pipes and not wearing all the gear. In all my years of riding and going to bike shows I have never seen anyone call someone out for loud pipes. I have also never seen a thread about pipes not blow up into a loud pipes save lives bitch session.

I think I will start a thread on PDF Manuals.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: cuda on January 01, 2017, 02:42:07 pm
Get the PVC

Dale Carnegie :)
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Mike on January 02, 2017, 01:23:29 pm
"Looks like the muffler equivalent of the Pontiac Aztec."   :D  Now that's funny!
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on January 03, 2017, 03:46:19 am
For the record, I am a fan of the Pontiac.  A part of me died when GM killed it, but you can ask anyone what the ugliest thing to come out of GM was and almost everyone would say the Aztec.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on February 09, 2018, 10:52:58 am
Bringing this back from the dead for a second.  I finally got a round to messing with it, and it is better than I had hoped.  I will post the vid soon, it is slightly louder @ idle than before, but for the most part SISF was totally right.  All the real noise reduction is done in the cat on these bikes, so it wasn't nearly as bad as most thought it was going to be.  It only gets really loud when I pin it ... but it did that before with the stock ugly a** muffler on it.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: connie_rider on February 09, 2018, 04:36:53 pm
We'll be watching for your video....
What headers are you using?

Ride safe, Ted

Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Guest on February 09, 2018, 07:14:09 pm
That is irrelevant to the issue at hand, loud pipes are annoying and do nothing but give bikers a bad name. Besides they also kill the power compared to tuned systems with mufflers.
amen.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on February 10, 2018, 03:30:05 am
We'll be watching for your video....
What headers are you using?

Ride safe, Ted

Just took the clamp off after the cat and clamped on the baffled turn out.  Not nearly as loud, but still sounds way better.

One thing I wanted to ask you is what did you do about the center stand landing pad?  It's not hitting the swing arm when I ride so I'm not too stressed about it.  Is there a bracket that mounts to the mid pipe bolt to hold a pad for the center stand?

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: connie_rider on February 10, 2018, 03:39:49 am
It can be fabricated from a piece of aluminum angle iron, and a screw clamp.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: cuda on February 10, 2018, 03:43:12 am
Truth

Back in 1978 1100xs Yamaha put Kerker  4 to 1 race headers  LOST low end big time, had dealer do mods to make  things better never the same...

And with in the first week of header change coming home 2 AM cop sitting behind school hit's lites  chase is on  home one mile away  zig zag in basement before cop makes it past my house,
 noise is not your friend unless you really need attention 

I took off my restrictors / noise reduction units from the Two Brothers mufflers  when I went to the Cog group's   Jennings race course training last year , I was in love with noise again , you can hear every burb , pop music for sure , just not realistic  for the street.
 I use to ride with this gal  with short open pipes , only time I had to wear ear plugs  , annoying .
 :deadhorse:
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Grendel on February 10, 2018, 06:18:37 am
It has no lost low end power, still rides exactly the same as before.  It's only slightly louder than before anyway.  I am still baffled by the hate I'm seeing when nobody will admit to doing this so nobody knows what it sounds like.  Everybody loves to talk big because they *think* it's loud since I removed the muffler.  Like SISF said, and more people on youtube, the cat does 90% of the baffling in the box, the muffler just changes the tone.

Thanks for the idea Ted, I will see what I can come up with.

Ryan
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: connie_rider on February 10, 2018, 02:31:12 pm
Cuda; I know your a racer and understand how headers work.
          Your not quite telling the whole story about the Kerkers. <ya sly devil>
           They had large diameter/long head pipes and collector, and were designed for RPM power, not low end.
            ie; The head pipe /header design lost the low end, not just the muffler.

That's why I asked which header he was using..
If you go back into this discussion, you'll see he originally planned cat-less ZX headers and 2 of the shorty's.

NOTE: I helped him find shorty's with baffles inside...
          Because of the shorty design, no mid pipe, he may actually be restricting the flow more than a stock muffler.
          With the baffles, ZG headers and Cat, these will not as loud as you might think.

We'll all agree that his mufflers are gonna be louder than most..
Yepp, {as Cuda sed} can be a cop magnet..

We all also agree that each person builds their bike to suit themselves.
So, lets wait to see/hear his video.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Pittsburgh_Clem on February 10, 2018, 07:23:42 pm
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons



Anyone running an Area P full system or anything similar is running a completely open exhaust system.  There is baffling in the muffler surround, but the system is an "open" pipe.
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Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Deepsea on February 13, 2018, 07:53:32 pm
From this entire thread I got "my last 24hrs to live and I was in Vegas getting hookers and beer." HooYah.
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on February 13, 2018, 08:15:55 pm
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons

Clem, go crank the beast WOT and hit some rpms... it's WAY louder than a slipon. Steve
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: oldnslo_MO on February 14, 2018, 09:09:29 pm
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons

Clem, go crank the beast WOT and hit some rpms... it's WAY louder than a slipon. Steve
i run an areap full system, and above 6 grand i sounds really angry...AND I LOVE IT.....political correctness sucks.. loud pipes don't save lives, they're just fun... :sorry:
Title: Re: Exhaust delete?
Post by: Pittsburgh_Clem on February 15, 2018, 11:06:58 pm
I run a full Ap but I don not think it is any louder than slip ons

Clem, go crank the beast WOT and hit some rpms... it's WAY louder than a slipon. Steve

I do not have anything to compare to  Just me and my connie. I will pay more attention in TN April