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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2017, 11:46:01 am »
OMC let me know when Fred is coming and I'll have some friends load a multi m/c hauler to swap out some motors. I have 3 in Arizona to do. Will miss you Mr.Harmon
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2017, 01:04:19 pm »
Very sorry to see you go, Fred.  I've always heard nothing but glowing reviews of you and your work on this bike.  Wish you all the best in your future endeavors, whatever those may be.

That said, this is the internet. I've always made it a rule in my own life to never take anything seriously or personally that is said about or to me on this medium, it's really easy to be a tough guy behind a keyboard. I find that most people when confronted in the real world have nothing but apologies and excuses for their behavior online. Its just way too easy to be a dick when there's no possibility of physical reprisal. That is the truth of the interwebs.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2017, 02:47:50 pm »
Very sorry to see you go Fred but I completely understand.  If you ever find your way to New England you always have food, shelter and drink at my place!

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2017, 03:04:35 pm »
Sad to read about what would appear to be a great asset to COG being leveraged out to the point where he withdraws support for the model. I'm sure his information, among that of others, has helped me get my C10 into better shape than when it was bought.

Ride safe Fred, and I hope things can smooth out.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2017, 03:39:57 pm »
Really sorry to hear your leaving us Fred.
We're gonna miss you.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #55 on: November 27, 2017, 06:03:12 pm »
I'm no "Angel" but I have been on 3 different forums in the last 10 years. Thousands of people on the other boards and I have never seen comments like the ones this person makes or at least not as consistently. Earlier this year I checked with my AD and made sure I wasn't on "automatic membership withdrawl" and voiced my concerns. There was no surprise and I heard from another monitor who knew the problem well. I know of others who voiced concerns also. So sad to see Fred go and this is a major loss to our group obviously. Good luck Fred and sorry this had to happen but I get it. I will continue to buy items from Fred!!
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #56 on: November 27, 2017, 06:17:31 pm »
Fred, You know I fully understand and support you in doing what you think is best for you.  I am doing the same thing.

I do have an opinion though.  If you view the forum as you would the country then all you are doing is letting the terrorist win.   There will always be those that view the world different and want to impose their will on you but moving out of the country you love because someone is making it less than perfect is not an acceptable solution in my opinion.
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #57 on: November 27, 2017, 08:17:30 pm »
Fred, I never met you or knew much about you, but reading all these comments makes me feel terrible to hear you are leaving..... I bought SteveFl's Concours with many miles on it, SO, I bought your CDs to keep her for many more. Hope you change your mind.
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2017, 08:44:58 pm »
Fred, You know I fully understand and support you in doing what you think is best for you.  I am doing the same thing.

I do have an opinion though.  If you view the forum as you would the country then all you are doing is letting the terrorist win.   There will always be those that view the world different and want to impose their will on you but moving out of the country you love because someone is making it less than perfect is not an acceptable solution in my opinion.
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #59 on: November 27, 2017, 09:15:38 pm »
I'm kinda new on here and was sorry to see this news!

Fred, I just ordered a set of your maintenance videos, and I don't even have the bike yet! I stress the yet part!  :motonoises:

It would be great if you reconsidered as it sure looks like you are a most valued asset to this community! If not, I can certainly respect your decision... Best wishes to you!

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #60 on: November 27, 2017, 10:16:26 pm »
I am sad to hear of your leaving Fred.  As far as I know you have always been a gentleman on the forum.  Your videos have provided step by step instructions to many of us on here allowing us to save thousands of dollars in maintenance costs. The group owes you a huge Thanks for the hours of hard work that you have provided that have benefited us all.

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ON A SIDE NOTE-I sincerely hope that the board members take a good hard look at this situation.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #61 on: November 27, 2017, 10:30:00 pm »
The people who run this forum are real dumb if they don't simply ban the person causing the problem.


The only thing I could do as a reader was put him on the ignore list so I dont have to read any of his sniping.


Looks like this board is losing a valuable member, for a not-so-valuable-member.  Thats a shame.
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2017, 12:47:12 am »
^^^^^  agreed

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2017, 01:04:11 am »
This thread has turned into quite the dogpile. I'm not sure which is worse, a MOB rant or this '#I've been abused by the MOB' bitch fest. I guess this is Mr. Harmon's revenge. Amazing display of maturity and the spirit of COGness.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2017, 01:31:21 am »
 let's call it a day folks... :deadhorse: :popcorncouple: :33:
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2017, 01:43:52 am »
Fred, I just bought my 1st Connie and joined this forum 4 months ago, but have already learned a lot from your posts, and your photo galleries.  I don't know you,  but it looks like you have done a lot for this group, not just in technical expertise,  but also in organizing rides and events.  Even though I am pretty mechanically inclined, and I have the FSM ,  I am a greenhorn when it comes to this bike, so  I just ordered a set of your videos, because you can't have too much information.  Still hope to meet you someday.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2017, 02:20:21 am »
Well damn. I'm no insider but for a forum to lose a guy like Fred is just bad, bad, bad. I bought the videos and am so grateful I can't say it. Fred, thank you.
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2017, 04:00:52 am »
This thread has turned into quite the dogpile. I'm not sure which is worse, a MOB rant or this '#I've been abused by the MOB' bitch fest. I guess this is Mr. Harmon's revenge. Amazing display of maturity and the spirit of COGness.
Agreed. What a dogpile-
Sold my C14 earlier this year. I read this crap and for the first time it kinda makes me thankful that I did-

I don’t care what anyone here says or wants to believe... truth is NO ONE is getting rich off of any aftermarket Kawasaki Concours sale, service, or product.  ::) :-[
Get over it-

As if we couldn’t tell from the last 5,000 abrasive posts, it has now become apparent that there is some sort of axe to grind here. Looks like the grinding wheel finally had enough friction, blew its bearings, and is rolling on.
Painful to watch really-

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2017, 04:40:03 am »
I’ve been a member of this group now for over 20 years and an industry member for 6 or 7 years.  I’ve served this club as AAD for five or six years, AD for 2 years, and Tech Ed for about 8 years.  I have hosted a National Rally, untold numbers of regional rallies, and I founded the Wildflower Rally in the Texas Hill Country as well as the rally at Jacks in Arkansas that both continue to this day. I’ve donated free merchandise to numerous Nationals, held tech sessions, hosted events at my home, and worked with every single Executive Director since Tom Adams took over back in the 90’s.  I’ve been a member on the old listserver since about 1995, and have written so many technical articles and provided advice and help on threads that I would not even venture a guess at the number. I completely re authored a whole new Chalkdust for the C14 and have written technical content for the Concourier since I took over the Tech Ed position in 2009. I've sat in on COG board meetings off and on for over 18 years and have helped the organization through some turbulent times in the past. I’m an engineer by trade and have been working on bikes since I can’t remember. In the course of the last 3 years I’ve serviced over 200 motorcycles from folks all over the country, and have even worked on bikes folks have brought me from overseas.  Motorcycles are in my blood, and I can’t get them out.  Like many of you, I spend much of my time finding ways to improve them, customize them, service them, and make them work better than they were originally designed.  I’ve owned a total of 5 Concours motorcyles, 3 C10’s and 2 C14’s and I’ve worked on countless others members bikes.  I worked with the first person (Don Guhl) to crack the C14 ECU and we worked together to develop a way to reflash them that later became widespread and used by other vendors.  I have had the equipment and ability to reflash Concours ECU’s for free for some time now.  And yes, I made and sold a set of videos to try to help show folks how to work on their own bike, which now appears to have become something that is being leveraged against me to force me out of this organization.

Over the past year it has become apparent that I can no longer serve as your Technical Editor. Anything I would dare to post on the forum would be severely scrutinized, criticized, and torn apart by persons who are trying to force me to leave for their own purposes.  Knowing this, I have chosen not to post on this forum for some time, as it would obviously only end one way.  In light of all this, I am now far too soured to return. I couldn’t come back if I wanted to, my attitude will never be the same and I would be no good to you. So this will be my last post on this forum. I’m retiring from COG, resigning as Tech Ed, and as soon as the current supply of my videos that are already printed are sold out, I will not be making anymore. They will be forever removed from the market. I’m done. It’s been a fun ride, but it’s clearly time for me to move on. I’ve made a lot of friends in this club, and it will be sad for me to go. I wish you all the best.

Farewell and God Bless you all.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2017, 07:43:45 pm »
Bruiser.....don't think I would expect a answer from him here.  Make the phone call or email
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2017, 12:24:28 am »
A lot of talent just walked out the door! It's a shame!

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2017, 04:09:16 am »
Fred, I never met you or knew much about you, but reading all these comments makes me feel terrible to hear you are leaving..... I bought SteveFl's Concours with many miles on it, SO, I bought your CDs to keep her for many more. Hope you change your mind.

bought it? I think I gave it to you. and it was the second bike in existence to have steve in sunny FL's flash when it was in "create mode"!  ;D

Let's go ride sometime.  And fill me in on whoever or whatever drama ran Fred away.  Suspect it was one of the grouchy elderly type folks who post armchair warrier more than ride a bike.  Thats why I log in so rarely nowadays.  strict moderation and jerks have made this forum "unfun". But I still renewed my membership because of the decent folks and help I've received.

folks....   if you're elderly and grouchy, yes I was talking about you  :great:

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2017, 12:19:21 pm »
Fred, You know I fully understand and support you in doing what you think is best for you.  I am doing the same thing.

I do have an opinion though.  If you view the forum as you would the country then all you are doing is letting the terrorist win.   There will always be those that view the world different and want to impose their will on you but moving out of the country you love because someone is making it less than perfect is not an acceptable solution in my opinion.

Bob,  I have to say that I agree with your opinion.

Having said that, I'm not saying that I feel either one, or the other, of the people this thread is about is a terrorist.

I'm also not saying that I believe either is right or wrong.

Everyone is different ... that's what makes the world, and the forum so great.
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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2017, 12:21:22 pm »
This thread has turned into quite the dogpile. I'm not sure which is worse, a MOB rant or this '#I've been abused by the MOB' bitch fest. I guess this is Mr. Harmon's revenge. Amazing display of maturity and the spirit of COGness.

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Re: Farewell COG
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2017, 03:16:15 pm »
Like every event, there's more to it than what most of y'all think.

  First of all, both these guys have a long history of contributing to COG as tech editors, event planners, AD's AAD's, etc. So it's not like a new guy ran off an old member.

 Second, the real rift comes from the differences in doing the tech editor's job. There is a COG rule that says "no officer can profit from his position". This is really where the problem comes from, and if you've read the thread that led to Fred's resignation then you know that my tenure as a tech editor had the same issue. The simple fact is that MOB is technically correct, and Fred technically did break forum rules for industry member postings. Was it a grievous fault? Not in my opinion, but I didn't write the rules.


  Third, Fred has been in this position for a long time. Made a bunch of forever contributions to the group, and the knowledge base on the c-14. But burnout comes with those years, And because of some firsthand knowledge I have, I have been expecting Fred's resignation for at least 2 years, as it was apparent to me then that he was "moving on".  So to think that MOB drove Fred out isn't the case in full. Maybe the final excuse, but Fred's resignation was overdue based on the burnout syndrome.

  MOB is from a time where all the good done between members was from the good of one's heart. This is a great concept, and if you attend a rally or an event you'll see someone with trouble of any kind is helped by all attendees in any manner they can, with no thought of remuneration. But imo opinion that's not feasable when you're upgrading hundreds of bikes.  At that point it just can't be "given away", and Fred was of that opinion. Was a tech editor selling tech support video's a violation of COG's intent? That is for the officers to decide, and apparently they saw no problem with it. MOB, who didn't profit from the years of phone tech support (remember the old days?) did have a problem with it. Phone support is a HUGE time drain (personal experience talking).  If considered in that manner, you see his point. So divergent opinions on how the tech editor position should be handled led to this rift.


  COG is in a stage of Flux right now. some of the members more knowledgeable in the models are profiting because of the work / knowledge we've achieved. when the COG rules were written, and no internet existed, things were different. So I think this whole issue may cause the officers of COG to have to re-evaluate some of the rules.

  My final point is to let y'all know that sadly, this kind of resignation isn't really all that uncommon. COG is a volunteer group, and those who volunteer on a national level are tasked with a whole 'nother job, that has $0.0 for the pay scale. You are expected to perform the position you volunteered for, and there are plenty of members who will make you work to prove it. The end result, one I've personally experienced, is burnout and bitterness. It becomes apparent in word and action. Fred is no exception; the simple fact that he's decided to cease even offering the video's is graphic proof of the bitterness he's feeling. Remember, the work is finished in making the videos. From here on any sales are gravy money. To deny that of the new c-14 owner is really just a manifestation of all the frustration he's now feeling. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Those who know MOB know how he feels in his frustrations and bitterness.  I've seen it across the board... COG chewing up and spitting out it's most valuable contributors. Maybe it's time for term limits, to prevent that, but then the next issue is to find volunteers, which starts the whole downhill slide all over again.

  So before you take sides or dogpile, think about it. It's easy to armchair the whole affair, a little different if you know the facts.

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