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« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2010, 09:27:00 pm »
I just did 780 miles through the mountains on a solo round trip in two days on Route 15 from NY to PA to MD and back.  Averaged 47 mpg on my 09 C14 with a high of 49 mpg for one tank.  On the last leg, I did 200 miles in 3 hrs just to have fun.  Yup, that's a miles covered by gallons burned calculation not the display.    I was getting about 41 mpg before I installed a direct connect Gerbing power outlet getting ready for fall riding.  I found that the positive (red) cable was loose on the battery.  Seems like the C14 runs better with a good battery connection.  
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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2010, 12:36:00 am »
I am averaging right around 39 - 40 mpg.  

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2010, 09:07:00 pm »
I just finished 1000 miles and my average was 43 on a C14 '09. I seemed to get better milage if I kept it under 70  ;) . I sure has power to pass in 3rd or 4th.  :)  

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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2010, 06:45:00 am »
Hello there,    The C10 Concours is called the 1400gtr in Europe (model beforde 2010 is called gtr1400).  As a new driver, I broke a record in consumption that probably can be broken by someone of this forum:    603 km with one tank (it was very very exhausting to do, please take very care).    I made a small subsite of it in Dutch but with google translation you will find it 'handicapped' on  http://translate.google.be/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=nl&tl=en&u=logocom.be%2Fmoto%2F1400gtr.    Eg.: 'nieuw lief' means 'new girlfriend' and is translated as 'new boyfriend' (I am a standard heterosexual macho man with three fantastic kids).    I'll put a topic for this apart and hope to test the new 2010-ECU (which costs a lot) to test consumption at high speeds in the country in Europe where there are some fitting road parts without speed restriction, Germany; on the other hand when there is a restriction and you break it, you can go into jail and your bike can be confiscated).    Sorry for my poor knowledge of the language of Shakespeare, our native language is Flemish, on school we have to speek Dutch, then learn French, only then learn English, then German, and when interested some learn Spanish or Italian there-after.  Mea minima culpa!  
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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2010, 11:18:00 am »
Hello all,      I started using Fuelly.com a few weeks ago to complement the Excel spreadsheet I have been keeping on my 2001 Concours.  The mileage for me has been around 43 mpg.      I drive mostly freeway/motorway to commute 38 miles one way.  8 miles of that are straight, slower country roads until I arrive at work.  So my mileage is mainly at 65-70mph speeds.      My two cents...      Matt      
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2010, 12:56:00 pm »
I have a brand new (1 week old) 2010 C14 (Kawasaki Concours with ABS) and I just got 37.6 MPG on my first tank of premium (90+ octane) gasoline.  
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2010, 10:46:00 am »
I am thrilled with the responses that have been posted and the number of readings - Thank you     I am hoping that Kawasaki will see that we want a power full bike  to ride but also want to be able to go a long way on a tank of fuel.    I am happy that riders are paying attention to fuel millage under different conditions, road type & speed, and that some riders have gone right to the heart of the fuel system looking for improvements in millage and telling us what they have done and tried on the bike.    The Concourse is a beast that can be tamed or it can roar. Your right hand sets the level of expense in fuel and here in Ontario speeding tickets (ZERO TOLERANCE)    I hate stopping for fuel, I fill up in the morning, stop at lunch to fill the bike & myself, next stop gas & fuel - okay the group is looking for a hotel by then, (why I have head lights).       I hope this information will help you and other riders when planning a ride    John McClean    
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Re: FUEL MILLAGE ?
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2010, 01:39:42 pm »
[quote I have a brand new (1 week old) 2010 C14 (Kawasaki Concours with ABS) and I just got 37.6 MPG on my first tank of premium (90+ octane) gasoline.

I now have had my 2010 C14 for 4 tanks of gasoline and I'm averaging 38 MPG (highest 40MPG, lowest 37MPG), all premium >90 octane, mostly on the "ECO" mode (i.e. economy setting) in suburban setting (Long Island NY)
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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2010, 02:01:24 pm »
I've got about 7400 miles on my '10 C14 and gettin' somewhere around 40 +/-10.  And I don't care.  I just keep an eye on the gage and keep where I'm going in mind so I don't run out.  Just ride and enjoy.  Havin' a blast, too.   >:D >:D  Seriously, the super ECO mode, conservative power use and aux tanks are always an option if I decide to spend some time in the middle of nowhere but I ain't worryin' about it until I need to. :)

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Re: FUEL MILLAGE ?
« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2010, 12:46:11 am »
has the ECO mode made a difference in millage ?
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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2010, 01:20:19 pm »
I've done some informal testing, and I see about a 5 to 6 MPG improvement when I change to the ECO mode on the 2010. If you open the throttle up beyond 30% it automatically cancels the ECO mode mapping until you back out of it again, so for it to be effective you also have to stay out of the throttle. I see even larger improvement in 6th gear at highway speeds when I go to ECO mode, usually closer to 10mpg. 

The system also comes out of ECO mode at any speed over 80mph. Personally, I wish this limit was a little higher, cause that's generally where I set the cruise control at, but that's the way it works. As long as you understand how the system works, it's relatively easy to get 45mpg or higher out of the bike when on the highway. I have used it to extend my range through long stretches of road in New Mexico where gas stations can be hundreds of miles apart, and I can tell you it does work if you can manage to keep the bike under 80.

And for what it's worth, my fuel mileage on every bike I have owned is always around 36mpg under normal riding. This includes my various C10's, FJR, 08 C14, and both my GL1800's.  The 2010 C14 running in ECO mode is the first bike where I have broken into the mid 40's on. So yes, the ECO mode does make a difference.
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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2010, 08:32:13 pm »
Thanks for the info, I really wish the overall millage was better but I'll assume I can't have everything.
I was also hopping for a more exciting color then "Silver" My 1986 C10 is the same color. Maybe the 2012 might be something brighter lol
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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2010, 09:35:42 pm »
The experience I have had with my 2010 C!4 is consistent with Fred's post (above). It is also true that I can feel the engine performance drop in full ECO mode, but typically no matter as I am just cruising down the highway.

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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2010, 03:18:52 pm »
I just read a article by Stu Seaton - Motorcycle Mojo December 2010
Stu has the range at 400k / 250 miles on a tank of premium @ 5L/100klm / 6-7LT / 100 when not in eco
Is this reasonable in real riding, cruising at 95klm or 55mph.
After all speeding up here is not a option.
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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #39 on: December 09, 2010, 01:53:29 pm »
The experience I have had with my 2010 C!4 is consistent with Fred's post (above). It is also true that I can feel the engine performance drop in full ECO mode, but typically no matter as I am just cruising down the highway.

In 10K miles, my Mileage is about like Fred's.  I use the ECON mode most of the time but the 80MPH 'switch' point
is pretty unrealistic here in the West.  My actual speed at an Indicated 80MPH is 76MPH.  If the ECU is determining
speed like the Speedometer does, I'm switching out of ECON mode way too soon. :( 

  Overall I've got about 45MPG but I could never get anywhere at 55mph, I'd be run over as a traffic hazard. :(

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« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2011, 04:11:37 pm »
[quote I have a brand new (1 week old) 2010 C14 (Kawasaki Concours with ABS) and I just got 37.6 MPG on my first tank of premium (90+ octane) gasoline.

I now have had my 2010 C14 for 4 tanks of gasoline and I'm averaging 38 MPG (highest 40MPG, lowest 37MPG), all premium >90 octane, mostly on the "ECO" mode (i.e. economy setting) in suburban setting (Long Island NY)
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  I now have 2,500 miles on my 2010 C14 and have been averaging in the mid-30s MPG. I have used the ECO mode, but only in surburbia (Long Island NY). I have not had the opportunity to go on longer trips since purchasing the C14 in late September 2010. I am hoping the gasoline mileage improves this 2011 summer when riding longer distances.

  For comparison, for the past decade (over 200K miles) I have been riding BMWs (1999 R1100RT/2004 R1150RT) and have averaged low 40s in surburbia & high 40s long distance, with an occasional low 50s MPG in southwestern USA (i.e. at higher altitudes and no ethanol in the gasoline). NOTE: 1 gallon of ethanol = 70% the energy of 1 gallon of gasoline.

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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2011, 07:14:12 pm »
I just got back from a weekend trip with the better half.  Fully loaded on the highway in Super-ECO mode at an avg 80 mph I logged 47 mpg over one tank of gas.  I bet I can break 50 as a one-up.
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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2011, 02:46:57 am »
There are way too many variables that must be taken into account when figuring mpg. I find that a head wind is more of an issue than speed here in the SW. I have gotten 47mpg riding a variety of roads and speeds (65-80) over seven tanks of gas but would have gotten much less on one tank riding into a 30-35 mph headwind. Even with ECO mode you won't get 100mpg on a Concours so if you are looking for real gas mileage you'll have to buy one of those 100-200 cc bikes.  ;)
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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2011, 06:52:40 am »
I've kept detailed records for both the C10 and the C14.  After 21,759 miles on the C10, I averaged 41.6 miles per US gallon.  After 12,170 miles on the C14, most of it in ECO mode, I averaged 38.5 miles per US gallon.  If I were to believe the on board fuel mileage of the display, ECO mode gains 4 to 6 miles per US gallon when cruising down a flat, straight road at 70MPH.

I ride more 'spirited' than not, more for fun than commuting (avoid Interstates when ever possible).  I found there is an increase in the throttle opening hesitation in ECO mode, especially when rolling on the throttle in steep down hill, tight corners, in first gear.  Another factor is the C14 requires premium fuel, which is an added cost.

For simple low speed commuting, the C10 is probably a better choice.  However, if you have any fun back roads along the way, then the C14 makes it all worth while.

Also, the bike defaults to non-ECO mode on start up, which requires diligence on the riders part to remember to switch back into ECO mode every time you start the engine.

Since you live in a wetter climate, you may also want to consider the benefits of KTRC and ABS.  Both are quite an asset for the commuter when the roads are not clear and dry.  Having experienced the 'with' (C14) and 'with out' (C10), I'll take every advantage I can get when commuting.

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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2011, 04:00:09 pm »
I get between 38-42 MPG

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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2013, 05:53:19 pm »
Thank you to everyone for your post
I have gained a lot of insight as to your thoughts.
I hope that Kawasaki might take another look at the mapping to make a bigger difference in the ECO mode that would bring it closer to the St1300 gas millage.
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Re: FUEL MILEAGE ? ECO made a difference OR JUST HYPE ?
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2013, 04:12:31 am »
- in ECO mode and riding steadily at a brisk pace , my C14 can easily do 200 miles on a full tank , with a bit to spare , before the low fuel warning comes on.

- thats also about time to stretch the legs too

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« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2013, 11:58:42 am »
Thank you to everyone for your post
I have gained a lot of insight as to your thoughts.
I hope that Kawasaki might take another look at the mapping to make a bigger difference in the ECO mode that would bring it closer to the St1300 gas millage.
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Doubt Kawi would drop the horsepower/performance to the ST1300 level to achieve that.

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« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2013, 05:45:58 pm »
I get better mileage than my buddies ST1300.  If we are just out cruising or traveling the interstate and I use ECO I can beat him by 1 or 2 mpg every time.  If we are running hard in the mountains he beats the snot out me (MPG wise).  But he has a bigger tank and can still go further than I can.
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« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2013, 10:43:29 pm »
I'm riding a C-14 2008 I have friends that I ride with that also have C-14's one is a 2009 one is 2010 & one is a 2012. When running the highways we usually run between 70 & 80 mph.when we stop for fuel and fill up its always just a tenth of a gallon difference between bikes. The 10 & 12 C-14s use Econo mode and doesn't seem to make much difference.