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Fuel Pump Filter
« on: February 17, 2019, 10:15:09 pm »
I replaced my fuel pump filter on my 2011 with 127k miles. It looked very dirty especially compared to the new one.
My question is, how many C-14s  have stopped or had problems because of the dirty fuel filter? Just because it looked real dirty, and was, maybe it would go another 100k. Just wondering.
Thanks for your input.

PS, I have a photo of the old and new filters but cannot figure out how to insert it here.

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2019, 10:54:30 pm »
dozens...
as far back as 2009.....
you did well to make 100k... just mentioning.

doing mine this year, pre preemptively, with half your miles... just because.... :great: :great: :great: :great: :great:

Kinda part of my "pre" ride checklist in spring..

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 03:31:47 am »
MOB, Thanks for your comment. So I was not wasting my time. 

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 04:58:51 am »
MOB, Thanks for your comment. So I was not wasting my time.

no, absolutely you did not waste anything... as I said, you were very lucky to have put o much fuel, thru it without an issue..
 a very close friend ran the IBA in '09, and had issues, I talked him thru it, (before I could pull mine, and run it up to where he was) he pulled it apart, shot gumout thru it all, cleaned it up, and finished (iirc 15th) wayyy before anyone ever realized  it "could be serviced"... it took another 6-8 years, before Kaw actually acknowledged what we were doing, and they finally created an expensive "kit" to do it for $10, for a filter screen/pad.. which is really all you need, they get ya for $60....
 and prior to that, you had better hoped you had the extended warranty... because all they would do is replace the complete fuel pump..$$$$  funny how the timing "popped up" when they knew even the extended warranty bikes, were not gonna get fixed, but then made the filter replacement kit available... ( I really wonder if the older fuel pumps were actually replaced, or disassembled, and the filter tea bag shoved in them.. they knew fully well what was going on...)

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2019, 01:44:29 pm »
I replaced my fuel pump filter on my 2011 with 127k miles. It looked very dirty especially compared to the new one.
My question is, how many C-14s  have stopped or had problems because of the dirty fuel filter? Just because it looked real dirty, and was, maybe it would go another 100k. Just wondering.
Thanks for your input.

PS, I have a photo of the old and new filters but cannot figure out how to insert it here.
Here's the pic of his filter.  Looks pretty nasty to me!
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2019, 02:31:07 pm »
MOB, thanks for the very interesting history!!
And Bud, Thanks for posting my pic!

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2019, 02:33:58 pm »
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2019, 03:36:12 pm »
Haven't heard of any filter problems, but several pump failures at very low miles.

I replaced my fuel pump filter on my 2011 with 127k miles. It looked very dirty especially compared to the new one.
My question is, how many C-14s  have stopped or had problems because of the dirty fuel filter? Just because it looked real dirty, and was, maybe it would go another 100k. Just wondering.
Thanks for your input.

PS, I have a photo of the old and new filters but cannot figure out how to insert it here.

Here's the pic of his filter.  Looks pretty nasty to me!


Yep, looks pretty nasty. Looks just like mine did at about 140,000 & a couple I've seen at 30,000 - 40,000. My guess is once they get 300 - 400 gallons run through them they all look like that.

I have a new pump & filter setting a on the bench to install, just haven't got to it yet. No problems, just seems like cheap insurance & it's bound to fail someday. Better to do it here than on the road 1/2 way across the country.

Think about it, even at a lower mileage of 50,000 - 60,000 miles. It's had 1,200 - 1,400 gallons run through that tiny filter.
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2019, 08:25:55 pm »
MOB, in your opinion, when should you consider replacing the fuel filter? I'm almost @ 50k on the '09.
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 09:28:10 pm »
a some of the people noted, they can go 100k  or can be clogged before 40k,
the fellow that I mentioned only had 20k when it occurred, the same year he purchased the bike (new).
It' dependant on time/fuel station variations/ type of fuel/ and most of all travels and fueling in places with questionable fuel...

It never hurts to be proactive, especially if bringing it out of storage at the beginning of a season; pretty much the first tank I burn thru to get my stabilized fuel used up I run it as empty as safe near home (makes for easier tank inversion for dumping it out), and pull the pump to inspect...last time I did this was 2 years ago, and it was the original strainer; It wasn't "horrible" but it was showing some "work had been accomplished", and at that time I cleaned it using Gumout, and re assembled.
I'll be changing it this year, for $5 if I pull it apart to check, might a well...iirc I'm about the 50k mark.

also will replace Air Filter...a I noticed my MPG was beginning to dip at the end of last season.. for MY bike, when I see 40mpg repeatedly, it is my bike telling me it needs an A/F; as when I have a new one in I'm always @ or above 44mpg around town riding aggressively.

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2019, 01:27:50 pm »
....so is ma kaw's kit $10 or $60? Is there another source for the filter out there.  I just waited a week for shims for a valve adjustment, when I could have ordered the exact same shims from competition accessories for $4 cheaper per shim and had them in 3 days...

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2019, 01:28:36 pm »
.....and the pics didnt post....

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2019, 01:31:32 pm »
.....and the pics didnt post....
What pics? ;D
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2019, 04:00:54 pm »
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2019, 05:00:45 pm »
I want to publicly thank Bud (Paul) for walking this old man (me) on the phone thru how to post a picture on the forum!!
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2019, 05:24:45 pm »
Part Number for the filter please.
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2019, 05:40:33 pm »
Part Number for the filter please.

kawai #49019-0013, fits many ATV's.

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2019, 06:30:05 pm »
Just curious to how much time it took from parking the bike, replacing the filter, then total reassembly??

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2019, 07:00:57 pm »
Great info and timing as I have my bike apart for maintenance and drained the tank to inspect and replace the filter. 

Thanks Cliff and Rich for the info/insight!

Looking at parts fiche, Kawasaki sells a filter kit for the C14, PN-99999-0521, for $65.15.  OR.....a fuel filter for various ATV's, PN-49019-0013, for $12.74.

I am curious if anyone has determined the differences in these items?

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2019, 07:44:51 pm »
....so is ma kaw's kit $10 or $60? Is there another source for the filter out there.  I just waited a week for shims for a valve adjustment, when I could have ordered the exact same shims from competition accessories for $4 cheaper per shim and had them in 3 days...


I combined the pump, and filter source, as if you check the page for the low cost pump, and scroll to the bottom, you will see they sell the filter also, for a 3 for 1 low price (3 for the price of the Kaw OEM listed from Kaw)

http://forum.cog-online.org/fuel-cooling-and-oil-systems-59/repacement-fuel-pumpfilter-combo/

the filter Cliff noted is the correct Kaw number for the filter ( single piece)

the "kit" consists of the filter, 2 o-rings, and 3 small screws for the $65 figure...
having pulled thi for inspection, and never lost the screws, nor damaged either o-ring... I can't see that "inflated" price they want for the kit... to me it's just another "kaw money grab" they priced as such, just because "they can"...

if you are well versed in servicing this bike, DISCONNECT and remove the battery... removing the upper plastic, glovebox, and tank itself (with minimal fuel in it), and have a 5 gal gascan, a huge funnel (to invert the tank and pour the gas into the funnel without slopping), and minimal tools...
I'd quote 2 hours start to finish... working carefully... don't do the draining and tank opening indoors tho...

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 08:16:05 pm »
I want to publicly thank Bud (Paul) for walking this old man (me) on the phone thru how to post a picture on the forum!!
Proof again how the COG members are a bunch of good folk!
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 08:16:41 pm »
Thanks for the additional info Rich and the helpful link. 
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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 11:11:13 pm »
I think two hours is realistic the second time. I went real slow and careful since it was my first time and maybe more like four hours for me.
 
Oh, by the way, if you get it all back together and crank it over,  it's a good way of telling if you forgot to hook the fuel line up or not! Gas all over the floor, fuel line not hooked up!!  That's what I've been told anyway!!

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 11:24:10 pm »
 >:( >:( :rotflmao:

DOHHHHH

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Re: Fuel Pump Filter
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2019, 12:08:15 am »
I want to publicly thank Bud (Paul) for walking this old man (me) on the phone thru how to post a picture on the forum!!
Proof again how the COG members are a bunch of good folk!
THANKS Paul!

Does the filter snap onto the bottom of the fuel pump?   If so, can you take a pic of the backside of the filter and measure the metal ring part ?
 
If so, an automotive filter is probably available and may be a better alternative because it may have a larger surface area and definitely will be cheaper.
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