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Glove compartment auto-lock
« on: July 28, 2017, 05:03:53 pm »
On later models with the glove compartment on the left side, does anyone know how to defeat the auto-lock? My preference is to be able to open and close that lid without the ignition on.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2017, 05:11:56 pm »
On later models with the glove compartment on the left side, does anyone know how to defeat the auto-lock? My preference is to be able to open and close that lid without the ignition on.

Pull the glove compartment out and disconnected the wire clip. :great:

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2017, 05:18:48 pm »
Wire in a small momentary switch in a hidden spot and it will still lock, until you push the hidden switch.

Worked for me.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2017, 05:30:30 pm »
OK...putting these 2 responses together, it sounds like, with the ignition off, there is still power supplied to the solenoid which prevents the lid from opening. By either removing the power wire OR installing a N/C momentary switch, I can open and close the lid with ignition off or on. Is that about right?
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2017, 05:37:13 pm »
You might be right.
But, it doesn't sound correct that power is being used to hold the compartment closed (with the key off)?
I suspect the momentary contact is in the ground side of the circuit.

I suspect the solenoid (fails closed)
    ie; holds the latch locked when power is off.
    Power energizes the solenoid {to unlock} when the key is turned on.

If correct, A momentary switch {from battery power} will do the trick.

But, {in the back of my feeble mind)} I think I recall another member doing exactly what Roman sed to do.
  Or he might have, just removed the solenoid.. :-[

Ted

NOTE: I like the idea of it staying locked if I'm not around.
         So, your momentary switch idea appeals to me the most.

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2017, 05:54:46 pm »
Yeah, Ted, maybe you're right. So, thinking that thru a bit more...with ignition off, the solenoid plunger prevents opening the lid. When the ignition is turned on, the plunger retracts and that allows manual operation of the lid button. But, if that's the case, how can removing the power wire allow this to work? That's why I made the unusual assumption that power was present to the solenoid with the ignition off. I really do like the idea of installing a hidden momentary switch but I need to understand this correctly to know whether to get a N/C or N/O switch.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2017, 06:12:17 pm »
The lock is active when there is NO power applied to it.  So taking the connector off will permanently lock the box.  Not what you want.  I think you'll want to disassemble the mechanism and remove or disable the locking, but not the latching portion.  I've not had one apart but I can't imagine it's all that complex.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2017, 06:19:49 pm »
The lock is active when there is NO power applied to it.  So taking the connector off will permanently lock the box.  Not what you want.  I think you'll want to disassemble the mechanism and remove or disable the locking, but not the latching portion.  I've not had one apart but I can't imagine it's all that complex.

I just did some troubleshooting and you are 100% correct. With the ignition off, no power is supplied and the lid is locked. Removing the power wire does NOT unlock the lid. What does allow unlocking is supplying 12VDC to the solenoid. Considering that, I could find a good constant-on 12VDC supply and wire in a N/O momentary switch. Then, with the ignition off, I could momentarily press the switch which will allow the lid to open. Or, as you mention, I could just mechanically defeat the locking mechanism.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2017, 06:41:06 pm »
I like the idea of it staying locked if I'm not around.
         So, your momentary switch idea appeals to me the most.

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2017, 09:27:22 pm »
You can modify ( cut away a little bit ) the outer box, down low, near the fork tubes.out of site, which allows you to push the solenoid up with yourfinger and then open the box. Discrete, and no one will ever know its there. I did it, and love it! Took anout 20 minutes to do it.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2017, 01:15:53 am »
You can modify ( cut away a little bit ) the outer box, down low, near the fork tubes.out of site, which allows you to push the solenoid up with yourfinger and then open the box. Discrete, and no one will ever know its there. I did it, and love it! Took anout 20 minutes to do it.
I like this idea, I see its a spring on the lever that keeps it locked not the plunger.

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2017, 05:38:50 pm »
You can modify ( cut away a little bit ) the outer box, down low, near the fork tubes.out of site, which allows you to push the solenoid up with yourfinger and then open the box. Discrete, and no one will ever know its there. I did it, and love it! Took anout 20 minutes to do it.

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2017, 08:13:52 pm »
No need to do any cutting.
PO of my 2012 simply unplugged and removed the whole solenoid assembly and it worked perfectly well.
I prefer to have it locked, so I replaced all the parts and all works fine.
His reasoning (not flawed) was that is someone wants in the compartment, they'll simply tear it apart if it's locked. He kept almost nothing in there at all.
My reasoning is that I want to discourage the pass-by-thief that might press the button to see if it opens. I do keep registration and other items in there.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2017, 08:22:36 pm »
You might be right.
But, it doesn't sound correct that power is being used to hold the compartment closed (with the key off)?
I suspect the momentary contact is in the ground side of the circuit.

I suspect the solenoid (fails closed)
    ie; holds the latch locked when power is off.
    Power energizes the solenoid {to unlock} when the key is turned on.

If correct, A momentary switch {from battery power} will do the trick.

But, {in the back of my feeble mind)} I think I recall another member doing exactly what Roman sed to do.
  Or he might have, just removed the solenoid.. :-[

Ted

NOTE: I like the idea of it staying locked if I'm not around.
         So, your momentary switch idea appeals to me the most.

This is true, Ted... but that lock also re-locks once the bike starts moving at over 5 mph.
So, not being able to look at my manual right now, it might pay to look at the schematic and see what controls that power wire... may go to one of the bikes speed sensors?

Then again, it may not matter. I just know it unlocks when you turn the key on parked, then relocks as the bike starts moving again. (Kawi didn't want us to be rummaging around in there while riding.)
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2017, 09:15:06 pm »
After considering the responses, my plan will be to install a N/O momentary switch. What I'll probably do is to disconnect the existing connector and substitute my own 12VDC and ground with the switch installed on the + side. That way, anytime I want to open the box, I can do so with or without the ignition on and regardless of whether the bike is moving or not.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2017, 01:03:08 am »
After considering the responses, my plan will be to install a N/O momentary switch. What I'll probably do is to disconnect the existing connector and substitute my own 12VDC and ground with the switch installed on the + side. That way, anytime I want to open the box, I can do so with or without the ignition on and regardless of whether the bike is moving or not.

I think I see one small problem with your idea..
While riding it would require 1 finger for the Momentary switch, and 1 finger to push the button and open the box...
I think you sed you planned to hide that momentary button? So it wouldn't be handy?
If so, how would you push both buttons,, while riding?

Old and Slow's idea is starting to appeal to me.

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2017, 01:15:00 am »
On later models with the glove compartment on the left side, does anyone know how to defeat the auto-lock? My preference is to be able to open and close that lid without the ignition on.

Pull the glove compartment out and disconnected the wire clip. :great:
That's what I did 2 days after I bought mine
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2017, 01:18:53 am »
What wire clip? What does the wire clip do?
I thought he meant the power plug to the solenoid?

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2017, 09:36:56 am »

I think I see one small problem with your idea..
While riding it would require 1 finger for the Momentary switch, and 1 finger to push the button and open the box...
I think you sed you planned to hide that momentary button? So it wouldn't be handy?
If so, how would you push both buttons,, while riding?

Old and Slow's idea is starting to appeal to me.

Ride safe, Ted

I see no need ever to open the box while I'm riding.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2017, 09:40:10 am »
Pull the glove compartment out and disconnected the wire clip. :great:
That's what I did 2 days after I bought mine

That's odd...on my bike, disconnecting that plug does nothing except to permanently leave the box locked with no way to open it. 
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2017, 10:46:28 am »
He said wire clip, not plug. That is what is confusing me.

NOTE: I'm easily confused...

Ted
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2017, 06:43:13 pm »
He said wire clip, not plug. That is what is confusing me.
Ted


Yeah, that description confused me too. So, what I did today (instead of installing the momentary switch) was to mechanically disable the locking mechanism. Turns out this is easy to do and can be undone just as easily. The part I removed I will describe as a "pivoting link".

The first pic shows the link undisturbed:



This next one shows the link removed:



With this link removed, you can open and close the glove box regardless of whether or not the ignition is on or off. Of course, the box is NOT locked.
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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2017, 11:12:18 pm »
What wire clip? What does the wire clip do?
I thought he meant the power plug to the solenoid?

Ride safe, Ted

Sorry. I meant "PLUG"   :'(
The power to the solenoid.  :great:
Must be my British accent. ;)

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2017, 01:29:30 pm »
Yea, yea,,, that was it.
You talk/type with an accent.. {Ya prolly did it, to confuse us Colonists}
Obviously; My confusion was all your fault.    :-[
Gee, I feel better...   :rotflmao:

Bye the bye;  {I think} we've been told that unplugging the wire clip/plug won't allow the Glove Compartment to open.
                      In fact, {they sed} it will prevent it from opening.

{Did I get that right, ya'll)??

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Re: Glove compartment auto-lock
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2017, 01:50:40 pm »
Ted, as far as I'm concerned, you got it exactly right!
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