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Title: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on May 31, 2015, 02:44:05 pm
Now after my sarcastic subject, my bike is 'prolly jinx'd!   :beerchug:

I told everyone when i bought the bike "ain't pinning bags, nor falling for time and $$$ for radiator protection".  The mad pow-ah of kiPass has me covered, and nowhere are the fins bent close to the "pipe", nor is my bike performing poorly or running hot during slow rides in extreme Florida or AZ heat (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)

Here are the pics several have asked me for.  Sure, as Kawasaki designed it for, my bike has had some very hard hits on the radiator. The C14 has been on many many long  gravel roads. The dirt pile up and bugs on this radiator are more of a threat for overheating than anything that has hit it.

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150531_112418070.jpg)

These are the same fins as first pic, the angle of the light and cell phone "glared" them.
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150531_112357928.jpg)

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150531_112324139.jpg)

And this is the type of terrain the unprotected radiator endures:

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/X%20country%20trippin/20110711-DSC_1694.jpg)

(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/X%20country%20trippin/20110708-DSC_1451.jpg)



Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on May 31, 2015, 02:46:06 pm
I'm not suggesting in the LEAST that you not buy or fab up products to protect your radiator. I'm just saying for my bike and the riding I do, thus far I have had no use for it for >104,000 miles (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/icon10.gif)

Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Gumby on May 31, 2015, 02:47:10 pm
 :017: Radiator guard is cheap insurance. Get off your wallet Steve!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on May 31, 2015, 02:49:24 pm
:017: Radiator guard is cheap insurance. Get off your wallet Steve!  :beerchug:

Noooooo  sir, lets please see if it will keep on gettin' it to 200K (or engine grenading first) without it  ;D
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on May 31, 2015, 06:00:39 pm
:017: Radiator guard is cheap insurance. Get off your wallet Steve!  :beerchug:


Noooooo  sir, lets please see if it will keep on gettin' it to 200K (or engine grenading first) without it  ;D


I wouldn't wish a holed rad on anyone Steve...but then I have a fenda extendah... and the mad powah of kipass...

but man, you just love to dance on banana peels in patent leather shoes bro... you are jinxing yourself man :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
http://youtu.be/OophxEckcu0 (http://youtu.be/OophxEckcu0)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Fred_Wa2gzw on May 31, 2015, 06:01:02 pm
Hey some guys don't wear helmets and ride for years without injury.  I prefer a helmet-lol.  Yes,  I have a Radiator guard and a fender extender.  Something about ATGATT??  LMAO

Fred
Wa2gzw
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on May 31, 2015, 10:18:33 pm
You guys crack me up  :great:    :great:   :great:    :great:    :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Nomadicfireman on June 02, 2015, 02:41:24 am
New radiator, $900. Don't ask me how I know  :-[. Luckily insurance covered it. Guard has been in place now for about 50000 miles. Good luck.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Gypsy JR on June 02, 2015, 07:49:32 am
This is like having an insurance policy. You go for years, decades without a claim. Start to wonder why you pay all that money. Then boom! It just paid for itself as you watch the body shop hook your car up to a torture device to pull it straight again.

Probability and statistics only tell us one thing for sure. What you roll on the die one time has absolutely no affect on what you roll the second time. In other words, history has no effect on the future in the world of chance and probability.

So your radiator will not be holed until it is holed. And then you will be sad.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: cuda on June 02, 2015, 09:42:09 am
Steve your DOOMED  :-\
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: C. Moore on June 02, 2015, 09:52:12 am
My money says he makes it to 200000. I lost a bag on the old C10 so I have those hook things to keep my bags safe and secure.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on June 02, 2015, 11:43:18 am
My money says he makes it to 200000. I lost a bag on the old C10 so I have those hook things to keep my bags safe and secure.


^^^^right on brutha.  Everyone was betting against Kawasaki and I with my unguarded radiator and unpinned bags making it to 100K, and we blew past that without issue.

But I may have jinxed it with this thread!?  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Alan_Yucius_FL on June 02, 2015, 05:52:35 pm
My money says he makes it to 200000. I lost a bag on the old C10 so I have those hook things to keep my bags safe and secure.


^^^^right on brutha.  Everyone was betting against Kawasaki and I with my unguarded radiator and unpinned bags making it to 100K, and we blew past that without issue.

But I may have jinxed it with this thread!?  ([url]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif[/url])


No worry Steve, I know you are not stupid-ishes!    Did I get that right??  :)   :rotflmao: :beerchug: :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: TLR on June 02, 2015, 07:01:02 pm
Not to hijack this thread, but I bought a ProjektD radiator guard and a fender extender.  I installed the radiator guard, (super easy), but noticed the curve radius of the fender extender doesn't match the radius of the rear of the fender.  The fender extender has two adhesive strips but also comes with three tiny screws.  Seems like, with mis-matched radiuses, the three screws would be necessary.   

Any advice about this?  And it seems like it would be wise to snip off the points on those screws--if I have to use them.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Dirtwiz on June 02, 2015, 08:30:12 pm
Everything would have been fine had he not written this simple post. Now Karma, bad luck, deservedness, insurance vendors, and FJR pilots are all lining up and hoping the worst for him. Good Luck! (fingers crossed lol)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on June 02, 2015, 09:46:53 pm
Everything would have been fine had he not written this simple post. Now Karma, bad luck, deservedness, insurance vendors, and FJR pilots are all lining up and hoping the worst for him. Good Luck! (fingers crossed lol)


(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: ConcoursKZ on June 02, 2015, 10:31:47 pm
I always figured that people who don't wear helmets don't need them.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on June 02, 2015, 10:57:36 pm
I always figured that people who don't wear helmets don't need them.

^^^agree in regards to helmets  :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: SilverConnieRider on June 02, 2015, 11:33:26 pm
Not to hijack this thread, but I bought a ProjektD radiator guard and a fender extender.  I installed the radiator guard, (super easy), but noticed the curve radius of the fender extender doesn't match the radius of the rear of the fender.  The fender extender has two adhesive strips but also comes with three tiny screws.  Seems like, with mis-matched radiuses, the three screws would be necessary.   

Any advice about this?  And it seems like it would be wise to snip off the points on those screws--if I have to use them.

I installed a fender extender on my other bike.  It had only between ¾" and 1" of a lip with some tape on it.
I didn't trust only using tape so I got SS screws and acorn (cap) nuts then drilled through both and attached with the screw heads to the fender's tire side
and the nuts facing outward.  I used red locktight and tightened them up.  Also I did use a few washers so that the screws wouldn't bottom out in the cap nuts.
No sign of any problems so far.   I have extenders on order for the Connie and expect to do the same to those too.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: MikeJ on June 03, 2015, 12:27:38 am
Not to hijack this thread, but I bought a ProjektD radiator guard and a fender extender.  I installed the radiator guard, (super easy), but noticed the curve radius of the fender extender doesn't match the radius of the rear of the fender.  The fender extender has two adhesive strips but also comes with three tiny screws.  Seems like, with mis-matched radiuses, the three screws would be necessary.   

Any advice about this?  And it seems like it would be wise to snip off the points on those screws--if I have to use them.

TLR, I bought the ProjektD rad guard and fender extender, and did use the included screws to secure the extender. To my mind the adhesive strips are not gonna keep that thing secure, especially over time. No issues with the screw points fouling on front tire.

Mike
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on June 10, 2015, 03:26:27 am
My radiator still hasn't failed, the mad pow-ah of KiPass protects it per Kawasaki's design     :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Jay on June 11, 2015, 01:39:06 am
If you radiator was a chick, I do her!
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on June 19, 2015, 12:35:16 am
If you radiator was a chick, I do her!


Oh the visual  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/avatars/lol8.gif)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on July 07, 2016, 07:40:29 pm
*bump* because this topic keeps coming up on the side of "radiator protection is a must have"  ;D :-X :o :great: :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Dirtwiz on July 07, 2016, 08:21:53 pm
Timely bump stevewfl... I just ordered my radiator guard off Ebay and already have a fender extender on it. If you have the balls, take the $70 you saved, ride to Vegas, and put it on the OO green at 72:1 and turn it into some serious $$. If not, buy a tube of JB Weld and ride in fear of a fellow COG'er seeing you doing a repair on the roadside. Best of luck brother! LOL
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: 4Bikes on July 07, 2016, 09:02:30 pm
I'll need to post a photo. My radiator doesn't look all that much different than Steve's and I run with a radiator guard. I removed and cleaned the radiator during the last valve check at 40k miles and was a bit shocked by how much imbedded gravel, tar, and dented fins I had.   :-[  I have since also added a fender extender.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on July 07, 2016, 10:53:17 pm
I'll need to post a photo. My radiator doesn't look all that much different than Steve's and I run with a radiator guard. I removed and cleaned the radiator during the last valve check at 40k miles and was a bit shocked by how much imbedded gravel, tar, and dented fins I had.   :-[  I have since also added a fender extender.

I just took a look at mine, on my '08... looks fine, but I've had a Murphs fenda extenda on it since I bought the bike... sooooo
I find the extenda more effecient in protection, as I'm sure some small debris could slip thru the grillwork on the screen only thang..
Ymmv
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on July 07, 2016, 11:06:33 pm
I'm at 115,000 miles with no plans to add any protection. Maybe I'm still jinxing myself  :motonoises:  :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: jdegraff on July 08, 2016, 12:27:28 pm
On my second C14 and no guard. Insurance is a scam BTW.  :)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: 4Bikes on July 08, 2016, 01:09:50 pm
Insurance is a scam BTW.  :)

 :iagree:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Arabian Red on July 08, 2016, 05:08:28 pm
I have had my radiator guard on since the bike was new and recently had a tire tread (AKA Road Gator) get kicked up in front of me on the freeway and the end of it curled into my radiator. The guard took the brunt of the damage saving my radiator. The money I have spent on now two guards is way less than the cost or replacing the part they were protecting. Just saying.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: 4Bikes on July 08, 2016, 05:45:28 pm
Why are those road gators legal anyway?  The truckers save a few bucks on a re-tread only to spew 5-30 lb chunks of rubber all over the road?  Coming home from the National I jumped on I-75/I-71 to get past Cincinnati.  There was a low boy trailer hurling these chunks everywhere and lots of swerving going on. If you hit one of those riding the motorcycle it could be deadly. Myth Busters confirmed that a road gator can knock someone's head off as in de-capitation. Again, on Monday, jumped on a the slab for a time and a full sized gator was curled up on the road.  If I wasn't paying attention it would be deadly. The AMA lobby needs to take on the truckers lobby on this issue. Sorry for the thread jack.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: flashback50 on July 12, 2016, 12:47:15 am
Why are those road gators legal anyway?  The truckers save a few bucks on a re-tread only to spew 5-30 lb chunks of rubber all over the road? Coming home from the National I jumped on I-75/I-71 to get past Cincinnati.  There was a low boy trailer hurling these chunks everywhere and lots of swerving going on. If you hit one of those riding the motorcycle it could be deadly. Myth Busters confirmed that a road gator can knock someone's head off as in de-capitation. Again, on Monday, jumped on a the slab for a time and a full sized gator was curled up on the road.  If I wasn't paying attention it would be deadly. The AMA lobby needs to take on the truckers lobby on this issue. Sorry for the thread jack.

Just too clarify things, those road gators are parts of just as many virgin tires as they are retreads.  Most are caused when tire pressures are too low and that coupled with extreme hot weather causes the tires to explode from over heating due to sidewall flex from under inflation. Actually one state and I can't remember which one now did a test a few years ago and found that most of these road gators were from virgin tires and not caps. Recaps are fine if kept properly inflated but problem is most company drivers do a lot of drop and hook loads and if they check tires at all and the tire has any air in it they just roll with it. I check my tires regularly and run from TN. to AZ. and back every week with no issues, but I do see a lot of tire failures for sure from other vehicles.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: 4Bikes on July 12, 2016, 09:51:57 am
Thanks for the clarification.  Sounds like the truckers need a mandatory TPMS, or be more like you and take more care in what they are doing.  Those gators are everywhere and certainly a hazard. 
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: sc on July 12, 2016, 12:34:27 pm
Just over 26k miles and I got a hole in mine, very tiny but I was able to repair it with a brazing rod. The price I got for a new rad was $863,i still cant figure out why it is so expensive as it isn't much bigger than the $250 unit on my ATV.  Not sure if I will go with a extender or rad guard, which one actually works better?

As for the road gators, they aren't all retreads. I had a 1 year old trailer tire separate like it was nobodys business, goodyear marathon.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Shoe on July 12, 2016, 01:19:44 pm
........................
Just too clarify things, those road gators are parts of just as many virgin tires as they are retreads.  Most are caused when tire pressures are too low and that coupled with extreme hot weather causes the tires to explode from over heating due to sidewall flex from under inflation. Actually one state and I can't remember which one now did a test a few years ago and found that most of these road gators were from virgin tires and not caps. Recaps are fine if kept properly inflated but problem is most company drivers do a lot of drop and hook loads and if they check tires at all and the tire has any air in it they just roll with it. I check my tires regularly and run from TN. to AZ. and back every week with no issues, but I do see a lot of tire failures for sure from other vehicles.
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I thought the tires used on the big rigs were especially made to be recapped and that problems with decapping occurred with non recapable tires. Either way I am more concerned with loss of my life. Radiators are cheap in comparison.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: TimR on July 12, 2016, 11:33:51 pm
I look at having a radiator guard sorts like buying a fan belt when the old one looks ratty. Once you buy the replacement fan belt the old one won't break. Ever.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: flashback50 on July 13, 2016, 12:50:23 am
Thanks for the clarification.  Sounds like the truckers need a mandatory TPMS, or be more like you and take more care in what they are doing.  Those gators are everywhere and certainly a hazard.

I agree but the biggest problem is that there aren't many of us old time real truckers left.. The new breed of truckers are only attracted to trucking because most are fat and lazy and think trucking will be an easy job. They really don't have a clue what being a "trucker" is all about.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Tagara on July 22, 2016, 08:32:47 pm
why not just re route the radiator on top of the luggage rack..doubt much will hit it and you can have a heater for the rear passenger when it gets cold.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on July 30, 2016, 05:40:39 pm
That's funny   :great:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: TLR on July 31, 2016, 08:57:00 pm
Nice pics, there, Stevewfl.  But that doesn't look like the Southeast! 
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on August 01, 2016, 11:47:53 am
Nice pics, there, Stevewfl.  But that doesn't look like the Southeast!

Thanks  :beerchug:

Yes sir, I don't just ride around the Southeast, gotta' let that C14 run  :great: :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: TimR on August 01, 2016, 03:52:40 pm
Nice pics, there, Stevewfl.  But that doesn't look like the Southeast!

Not enough bugs on the radiator fins either.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on August 01, 2016, 09:45:07 pm
there were no flying bugs in the desert to run into.  OMG its got the bugs on it here in FL. I should go take a pic  :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: TimR on August 02, 2016, 12:26:43 am
I thought it WAS a picture of your radiator in FL. But now since you have the flash, you know you'll be blow'in bugs, rocks and other debris through the radiator.  ;)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Fais on August 02, 2016, 12:47:52 am
(http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm186/SECOG/2014%2014%20New%20Betty/IMG_2717_zps4zmv80j1.jpg) (http://s296.photobucket.com/user/SECOG/media/2014%2014%20New%20Betty/IMG_2717_zps4zmv80j1.jpg.html)

11,000 miles and going  :motonoises:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on August 02, 2016, 01:22:44 am
Nice!  (http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j180/stevewfl/bigthumb.gif)
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Sailor_chic on August 02, 2016, 02:35:04 pm
([url]http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm186/SECOG/2014%2014%20New%20Betty/IMG_2717_zps4zmv80j1.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s296.photobucket.com/user/SECOG/media/2014%2014%20New%20Betty/IMG_2717_zps4zmv80j1.jpg.html[/url])

11,000 miles and going  :motonoises:


Amazing!
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Dirtwiz on August 06, 2016, 02:57:49 am
I wouldn't be caught dead running a "House Blend" flap......Columbian only for me.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: Rock on August 07, 2016, 01:35:45 am
Fais,

Great job on the fender extender. I did a home made one for my rear. No pic, but, it came from a Rubbermaide storage container lid. Two hours' work, paint and screwed into stock fender.
Frugal!

Phil
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on August 11, 2016, 09:54:18 pm
Starbux for the win, although I don't run any sort of radiator protection.  116K miles and counting  :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: SteveJ. on August 30, 2016, 02:48:33 am
Starbux for the win, although I don't run any sort of radiator protection.  116K miles and counting  :beerchug:

You're gaining on me there #9334. C-10 just turned 228k miles today.
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on September 04, 2016, 02:10:33 am
Starbux for the win, although I don't run any sort of radiator protection.  116K miles and counting  :beerchug:

You're gaining on me there #9334. C-10 just turned 228k miles today.

Halfway there in 6 years anyway, you must be trekking it lately huh  :great:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: SteveJ. on September 04, 2016, 09:57:28 pm
Starbux for the win, although I don't run any sort of radiator protection.  116K miles and counting  :beerchug:

You're gaining on me there #9334. C-10 just turned 228k miles today.

Halfway there in 6 years anyway, you must be trekking it lately huh  :great:
  Actually, I've put less than 1000 miles on it since April Fool's Day(retirement day). Many more(5,000) on the KiLleR. Fixin' to put about 4k++ on the Connie starting Wednesday riding the trifecta.  :motonoises: :motonoises:  :beerchug:
Title: Re: >104K miles, blah @ "radiator protection"
Post by: stevewfl on September 05, 2016, 01:10:00 am
I'm jealous!  :beerchug: