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Title: Hardware and push pins
Post by: C. Moore on February 28, 2016, 11:30:35 am
Does anybody have a good source for the push pins, screws and nuts that keeps the fairing in place? My 2010 came with two bolts that keep the upper fairing tied together under the windshield. One of those has rattled out.  I'm thinking one of those push pins would be a better choice for those two spots if I can find the right size.  In addition I've had to cobble together a few other spots with screws from my general and out of control collection of scrws, nuts and bolts but would rather have OEM or close if possible. Murph used to sell a bag of screws for the old C10 but I don't see anything like that for the C14 on his site. Thanks.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: ghostrider990 on February 28, 2016, 12:37:20 pm
I just ordered a few of the smaller push rivets from Partzilla the other day....mostly because I fig'd I might need a few spares.

They're not cheap...a littleover $2ea.  As info, Bike Bandit was near double for everything.  :-X

Check out the parts stickie in this section, the part numbers are there for everything you need.

gr
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: C. Moore on February 28, 2016, 02:48:59 pm
Thanks GR. I'll do that.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: F143744 on February 28, 2016, 05:08:27 pm
Hey, I get my plastic push pins at Autozone, I'm not sure but 3/16" sounds right. Anyway, they will let you take some outside to try fit. A lot cheaper price for the same type item. A package of 10 or so, less than $5.  Your money...
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Sailor_chic on February 29, 2016, 12:47:32 am
I have had very good luck with these push rivets. I think they are more gooder than stock.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391003952499?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/391003952499?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: C. Moore on February 29, 2016, 10:26:53 am
Thanks Ill swing by Autozone today and see what they have.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on February 29, 2016, 05:40:58 pm
Hey, I get my plastic push pins at Autozone, I'm not sure but 3/16" sounds right. Anyway, they will let you take some outside to try fit. A lot cheaper price for the same type item. A package of 10 or so, less than $5.  Your money...

not 3/16 they are M6 three stage rivets.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: notsluggo on February 29, 2016, 06:14:49 pm
My dealer has two different packages of these for $5.95 per (ten items per package).  Maybe yours does too?
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: 4Bikes on February 29, 2016, 06:47:10 pm
I bought a Nylon Push Pin Sport bike Rivet kit from Cycle Gear a few years ago.  It had most of the rivets for the bike, but is missing the small rivets under the windscreen.  Two of those with part number #92039-0051 cost nearly as much as that entire 192 piece kit.  It looks like they don't sell it any more.   ::)

I also bought a Sport Bike bolt kit that they no longer sell.  The bolts are great because you have them when you need them.  This kit looks ok as a replacement.
http://www.cyclegear.com/BOLT-Off-Road-Pro-Pack-Hardware-Kit (http://www.cyclegear.com/BOLT-Off-Road-Pro-Pack-Hardware-Kit)
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: bearbait on February 29, 2016, 11:05:40 pm
I bought some rivets at Advance Auto that are threaded, no need to pry them out.  BB
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: bigfraid on February 29, 2016, 11:17:15 pm
Just got mine from here


http://boltmotorcyclehardware.com/products/sport-bike/sport-bike-rivets.html (http://boltmotorcyclehardware.com/products/sport-bike/sport-bike-rivets.html)
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: FTB530 on June 03, 2018, 02:17:29 pm
Hey, I get my plastic push pins at Autozone, I'm not sure but 3/16" sounds right. Anyway, they will let you take some outside to try fit. A lot cheaper price for the same type item. A package of 10 or so, less than $5.  Your money...

not 3/16 they are M6 three stage rivets.

MOB, I am searching for the push pins and saw this post, after more searching a saw info from one reviewer that these didn’t work in his 2012 Concours. Have you used them in a c14?  Thanks
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 03, 2018, 06:32:42 pm
Hey, I get my plastic push pins at Autozone, I'm not sure but 3/16" sounds right. Anyway, they will let you take some outside to try fit. A lot cheaper price for the same type item. A package of 10 or so, less than $5.  Your money...

not 3/16 they are M6 three stage rivets.

MOB, I am searching for the push pins and saw this post, after more searching a saw info from one reviewer that these didn’t work in his 2012 Concours. Have you used them in a c14?  Thanks

I did not, nor did I buy any of the ones mentioned, I was only giving the size that fit thru the holes for reference...
Last year, Murph and I collaborated in trying to find a "correct fitting" replacement, and he bought some various ones, sent a couple to me for testing. The end result was that one was "close", but most didn't quite work well. The one that was "close" would have been ok, but as it was 1/4", it really required "reaming" out the holes with a drill bit, to get them to work, and allign all the various layers they protrude thru... I didn't feel it would be viable to have folks enlarging the holes in the plastic, as a solution, so between us we kinda both dropped the idea of the one that kinda worked...
When I say "kinda worked", you could force them into the existing holes, but after you lock them, and try to unlock them for removal, they wouldn't fully unlock, and then they would wedge in and not come back out without a bunch of delicate prying, which tended to bugger them up, along with the plastic around them being retained. I did do some hole drilling on some old plastic stuff I had in the shop, and if I drilled them properly, the rivets worked like OEM's, but the hole size required for easy in/out was the part that I said no to. Only because going back to an OEM pin was not going to work after enlarging the holes, so the next person that buys the modifide bike, has to deal with mystery parts, which I hate to see.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: FTB530 on June 03, 2018, 08:12:23 pm
Hey, I get my plastic push pins at Autozone, I'm not sure but 3/16" sounds right. Anyway, they will let you take some outside to try fit. A lot cheaper price for the same type item. A package of 10 or so, less than $5.  Your money...

not 3/16 they are M6 three stage rivets.

MOB, I am searching for the push pins and saw this post, after more searching a saw info from one reviewer that these didn’t work in his 2012 Concours. Have you used them in a c14?  Thanks

I did not, nor did I buy any of the ones mentioned, I was only giving the size that fit thru the holes for reference...
Last year, Murph and I collaborated in trying to find a "correct fitting" replacement, and he bought some various ones, sent a couple to me for testing. The end result was that one was "close", but most didn't quite work well. The one that was "close" would have been ok, but as it was 1/4", it really required "reaming" out the holes with a drill bit, to get them to work, and allign all the various layers they protrude thru... I didn't feel it would be viable to have folks enlarging the holes in the plastic, as a solution, so between us we kinda both dropped the idea of the one that kinda worked...
When I say "kinda worked", you could force them into the existing holes, but after you lock them, and try to unlock them for removal, they wouldn't fully unlock, and then they would wedge in and not come back out without a bunch of delicate prying, which tended to bugger them up, along with the plastic around them being retained. I did do some hole drilling on some old plastic stuff I had in the shop, and if I drilled them properly, the rivets worked like OEM's, but the hole size required for easy in/out was the part that I said no to. Only because going back to an OEM pin was not going to work after enlarging the holes, so the next person that buys the modifide bike, has to deal with mystery parts, which I hate to see.

Thanks for the reply, I think I’ll passand go see the dealer and pick up a few!
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 03, 2018, 08:31:52 pm
Stuff on the net changes daily, and maybe now you may find a 6mm version someone may supply now... as I say, it was just over a year ago we were doing this legwork, and not searching today, I can't say someone may have them for sale...  anything better than OEM priced ones would be nice...
If ya find them, revisit and post them up.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Hosspower on June 04, 2018, 11:56:38 am
These are the ones I found at my local dealer. They don't seem quite the same quality as the factory ones but they have been very good so far. I have put them in just about every spot that takes a 6mm rivet. And its no surprise that they seem to be cheaper online.

https://boltmotorcyclehardware.com/collections/nylon-rivets-for-atv-utv-sportbike-scooter/products/m6-push-rivet

And free shipping right now!

Has anyone else tried these before or see any possible issues with them?

Rob
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Gscott on June 04, 2018, 12:18:26 pm
Just ordered 2bags 6mm push rivets (upper left of page on post by hosspower) FREE SHIPPING! YEA!
Now to wait to see if they work.   
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: FTB530 on June 04, 2018, 01:50:17 pm
Just ordered 2bags 6mm push rivets (upper left of page on post by hosspower) FREE SHIPPING! YEA!
Now to wait to see if they work.

Me too! Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 04, 2018, 05:29:38 pm
These are the ones I found at my local dealer. They don't seem quite the same quality as the factory ones but they have been very good so far. I have put them in just about every spot that takes a 6mm rivet. And its no surprise that they seem to be cheaper online.

https://boltmotorcyclehardware.com/collections/nylon-rivets-for-atv-utv-sportbike-scooter/products/m6-push-rivet

And free shipping right now!

Has anyone else tried these before or see any possible issues with them?

Rob

Just asking so I know, how many times have they been cycled thru the install/remove/install/remove cycle, and what tool do you use for releasing the lock?
The ones up behind the windshield are the ones most often removed, and there is very little room for a removal tool there...
Just again again, as the OEM ones are even tricky to extract, once the pin is pushed in, without dropping them into the "abyss"
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Hosspower on June 04, 2018, 05:35:18 pm
I have probably taken some of them in and out 5 times so far. I just use a short screw driver bit to pop the center in. I do have the Madstad brackets though that make it a lot easier. Try using a small allen wrench that is shaped like an L.

Rob
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Wolverine on June 04, 2018, 05:36:00 pm
Thanks, great find!!

Question though, on my 2009 I don't see many of these?


Also anyone know where you can get those clear plastic washers that are under the bolts on the fairing pieces ?
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 04, 2018, 05:50:53 pm
I have probably taken some of them in and out 5 times so far. I just use a short screw driver bit to pop the center in. I do have the Madstad brackets though that make it a lot easier. Try using a small allen wrench that is shaped like an L.

Rob
Cool...
I made a small L tool with a piece of coathanger wire, , actuall, its a Z shaped thing... legs are 3/8" and 1/2" with about 4" between them..
I also have some dentist picks with 90* pointy tips, I use for prying the rivet up and out... works fine..on the OEM ones.. I'll pick up a pack of the ones noted, just for spares...

Wolverine... keep looking, they are all over the place, front of the black filler pieces top fairing under the frontbottom of the windscreen, and on the black front fairing bezel piece at the radiator surround, at the bottom.. a couple other places also around the rear/side bottom wheel recess filler pan, and rear of side filler pans.. some are the kind with a phillips head screw, that never unscrews... so they get pried out/punched out and replaced... never could make those work
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Wolverine on June 04, 2018, 07:25:42 pm
thanks MOB,

Anyone know a source for the little small clear washers that go on the allen bolts around the various fairing pieces
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: FTB530 on June 04, 2018, 07:49:25 pm
I used a very small Allen key to push the pins, in the tool bag anyway!
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Sailor_chic on June 04, 2018, 09:12:14 pm
Good Ol' Amazon....    https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Hardware-2005-6SRIV-Nylon-Rivet/dp/B00HMZEXSG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1528150249&sr=8-2&keywords=m6+push+rivets (https://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Hardware-2005-6SRIV-Nylon-Rivet/dp/B00HMZEXSG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1528150249&sr=8-2&keywords=m6+push+rivets)
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Hosspower on June 04, 2018, 09:14:41 pm
Cheaper directly from Bolt at the link I posted above. Same product.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: TimR on June 04, 2018, 10:31:19 pm
I added Hosspower's link to the C14 parts list.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: gilbysan on June 05, 2018, 01:21:43 am
Hey Wolverine,
My source has been the gallon ice cream buckets sold at grocery stores. I just cut one up and use the correct size hole punch to make new ones.  IMO they are more durable than the originals, being a bit thicker and if/when you lose one, which for me is often I just go to my screw container and get one out...
Other than that partzilla is where I go for official parts when needed. Here is the link to the page that has the washers:
https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motorcycle/2012/concours-14-abs-zg1400ccf/cowling-center-caf-ccf (https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motorcycle/2012/concours-14-abs-zg1400ccf/cowling-center-caf-ccf) You are looking for the part: 92022 Washer 6.5X16x1 full # is: 92022-1143 $1.81 each.  Makes the ice cream tub look better and you can pig out on your fav flavor as a bonus.

Cheers!
BG
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Gscott on June 05, 2018, 11:41:13 am
Try Ace hardware for the washers
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Wolverine on June 05, 2018, 12:17:20 pm
I'll try ACE but its tempting to try the ice cream  bucket just so I can get to the bottom of it.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 05, 2018, 07:28:49 pm
Hey Wolverine,
My source has been the gallon ice cream buckets sold at grocery stores. I just cut one up and use the correct size hole punch to make new ones.  IMO they are more durable than the originals, being a bit thicker and if/when you lose one, which for me is often I just go to my screw container and get one out...
Other than that partzilla is where I go for official parts when needed. Here is the link to the page that has the washers:
https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motorcycle/2012/concours-14-abs-zg1400ccf/cowling-center-caf-ccf (https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/kawasaki/motorcycle/2012/concours-14-abs-zg1400ccf/cowling-center-caf-ccf) You are looking for the part: 92022 Washer 6.5X16x1 full # is: 92022-1143 $1.81 each.  Makes the ice cream tub look better and you can pig out on your fav flavor as a bonus.

Cheers!
BG

I'm really liking that realm of thought... mmmmmm good... real good...
Come to yhink of it, any lids from numerous containers would work, coffee cans, butter tubs, the lids from the deli tater salad and cole slaw.... all this is making me hungry....

A. Set of hole punches from Harbor Freight, and all is good...  lesseee, punch a 1/4" hole first, then punch around that with a 5/8" and voila...
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: TimR on June 05, 2018, 10:52:43 pm
Try Ace hardware for the washers


I've looked for the push pins there but never thought about the washers. Now a reason to go to Ace Hardware.  ;)
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 06, 2018, 12:36:28 am
Try Ace hardware for the washers


I've looked for the push pins there but never thought about the washers. Now a reason to go to Ace Hardware.  ;)

Lowes has them also,
I'm opting to make my own...
use my drill press as a press (non powered) with a block of hardwood, and these
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-hollow-punch-set-67030.html (https://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-hollow-punch-set-67030.html)

or go manual, and hammer 'em out....
https://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/punches/9-piece-hollow-punch-set-3838.html (https://www.harborfreight.com/hand-tools/punches/9-piece-hollow-punch-set-3838.html)

of course, I have an H/F outlet store like 5 miles from my house... so tools always win over buying at Lowes..
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: gilbysan on June 06, 2018, 02:00:24 pm
Went to my local electronics supply for adhesive shrink wrap tubes and they had that wall of hard to find assortment of everything that the Big Box stores usually don't have, (which ACE and True Value do have) and found some small black plastic washers that are just a bit thicker than the stock opaque nylon washers. Bought a bunch of them for 19 cents each.  They also carry the push pins but I did not pay attention to the sizes...
Yogurt lids also work well unless they are the tin foil types of course...
Cheers!
Gilbysan
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: TimR on June 08, 2018, 11:19:47 pm
Sorry to say at the local Ace hardware it's nope, nada, no on the push pins and nylon washers.  :'(
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on June 09, 2018, 12:25:51 am
Sorry to say at the local Ace hardware it's nope, nada, no on the push pins and nylon washers.  :'(
yep
pretty much Ace sux for hardware... Lowes has washers tho, and mayb, pushpins, but not the correct metric ones...

I did find once, a True Value Hardware store, in Wellsboro Pa., that actually had 4 of the C10 front wheel bearings in a bin... they weren't the sealed bearings, but they would get someone home... amazing find.
Title: Re: Hardware and push pins
Post by: Buzzard on July 02, 2018, 11:32:02 pm
I purchased a pack of the 6mm  push pins from Bolt, 5.99 free shipping, they arrived quickly.
They work great, used them to replace push pins holding the upper inside lf/rt black fairing covers behind the windshield.