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Help! Rear wheel install...
« on: October 14, 2016, 12:28:24 am »
I've been excited to get rid of the OEM tires, I took the wheel to Cycle Gear today and had them install 190/55 PR3s - pretty stoked.

One minor issue - I can't get the wheel/final drives splines to mesh so I can put on the wheel.  What am I missing?

Thanks for your help guys!


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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2016, 12:47:22 am »
Never had this problem boss but try snicking the shift lever down into 1st and that should stop the final drive from rotating. If it doesn't work you may have another problem. Good Luck!
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2016, 12:56:44 am »
Rear wheel axle acer tube dropped out of position, reach into drive hub, pull it out and shove it back in place centered in the housing and seals..
Also, fully lift and centralize the mating parts before attempting to jamb them together, if you don't, you will waste the big hub seal for certain, and cost yourself $$$$$
« Last Edit: October 14, 2016, 01:00:28 am by MAN OF BLUES »

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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2016, 01:03:50 am »
Thanks, tried while it was in first. Still no luck. Both wheel and final drive look clear of any debris

Im throughly stumped on this one. I've attached photos - hopefully someone will see my error!

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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2016, 02:20:11 am »
Where you located Greg?
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2016, 02:55:34 am »
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2016, 09:32:42 am »
Two things:

1) First of all, your splines look dry.  Moly lube is called for.  I like the Honda M-77 Assembly Paste because it's really thick and stays put.  But any high-moly grease will do here.

2) Use the axle to help align the wheel and splines, there is not a lot of clearance and you need to have it properly aligned, or really close, before they will engage.  It may help to get someone else to assist you but I usually sit on the floor on the RH side of the bike and put my feet under the bottom of the tire.  Use your feet to lift the wheel and then you have both hands free to align it.  It looks awkward but it works for me. 
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2016, 11:17:31 am »
I had the same problem a few weeks ago.  Basically, I was on the left side of the bike, pulling the wheel towards the final drive.  A bit of wiggling and sliding the axle back through and it just popped into place.
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2016, 12:19:04 pm »
Sent you a PM.
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2016, 02:40:23 pm »
I use a piece of 2x4 or some folded up cardboard to support the wheel from underneath the tire. This gets the splines aligned and you don't have to struggle with holding up the wheel and trying to align at the same time. :beerchug:
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2016, 03:21:44 pm »
I've only changed the rear tire myself once and I am certainly no mechanic, but it lined right up and went back together. I may have just been lucky.

Concours on center stand, in 1st gear, I sat behind the bike, used my feet to lift the tire/wheel to the right height and guided it with both hands - a little jiggling and it slipped right on.

I'm in Modesto and I'd be willing to stop by  and see if it works better with 2 of us. I'll send a PM (private message).

In looking at your photos I notice something that looked slightly odd - but it may just be the angle of the photo or maybe it should look like that.


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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2016, 07:52:43 pm »
I've been excited to get rid of the OEM tires, I took the wheel to Cycle Gear today and had them install 190/55 PR3s - pretty stoked.

One minor issue - I can't get the wheel/final drives splines to mesh so I can put on the wheel.  What am I missing?

Thanks for your help guys!

On the intitial post, there was no mention about the axle insertion... just spline allignment, thus my initial comment about the spacer, but clearly the inner bearing spacer is out of position, which I've never seen occur before on a C14 or a C10... they are usually pinched tightly between the bearings, when the axle has been tightened, and after that point never move on their own... as shown in that photo...

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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2016, 01:15:45 am »
The axle fits through the wheel fine -- the "inner bearing spacer "is free inside and moves around to accommodate for the axle when inserted. I can fit the axle through the hub and the wheel - just not both at the same time because I cant get aligned on the hub.  Does the inner bearing spacer need repair at the dealer? Hope not!

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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2016, 03:24:06 pm »
The axle fits through the wheel fine -- the "inner bearing spacer "is free inside and moves around to accommodate for the axle when inserted. I can fit the axle through the hub and the wheel - just not both at the same time because I cant get aligned on the hub.  Does the inner bearing spacer need repair at the dealer? Hope not!

As long as the axle goes through, it's OK.  The spacer is held into place between the bearings by the axle and the pressure from the axle nut.
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2016, 07:44:48 pm »
The first couple of times I took the wheel off it was hard to get it lined up but after that I can do it easily. I put my feet under the wheel for support and wiggle it for a while. If supporting with only your arms you may not get the proper angle to do it. I can't think of a reason it won't go on.
Don't forget the moly on the splines. I don't see it in the pics.

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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2016, 08:53:21 pm »
Thanks to all of your collective advice, tips, ideas possibly and some blind luck on this newbies part - I finally got the wheel on.

Really appreciate all the help --- this was quite the welcome to the forum - great people here. 

Definitely looking forward to participating in the future.

Thanks again everyone,

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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2016, 10:31:23 am »
Here's a different thought...  Instead of lifting the wheel and trying to align the splines,. Put a jack under the header pipe and jack up the front of the bike, to the proper height. No lifting or struggling. Simply slide wheel onto the splines.
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2016, 01:12:26 pm »
Here's a different thought...  Instead of lifting the wheel and trying to align the splines,. Put a jack under the header pipe and jack up the front of the bike, to the proper height. No lifting or struggling. Simply slide wheel onto the splines.



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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2016, 04:15:07 pm »
Here's a different thought...  Instead of lifting the wheel and trying to align the splines,. Put a jack under the header pipe and jack up the front of the bike, to the proper height. No lifting or struggling. Simply slide wheel onto the splines.
No, no, no. That's not nearly as fun! Hey, you know guys have to make things harder than they are, right? ;D

Great tip, Nicole.
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2016, 08:34:38 pm »
Here's a different thought...  Instead of lifting the wheel and trying to align the splines,. Put a jack under the header pipe and jack up the front of the bike, to the proper height. No lifting or struggling. Simply slide wheel onto the splines.
Never tried that and never really had an issue installing the rear wheel. But geez, that makes sense.  :-[
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2016, 02:39:51 am »
Thanks guys! I haven't had an issue installing the rear tire either, as this method works really well for those of us with less brawn.
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2016, 08:42:33 am »
Thanks guys! I haven't had an issue installing the rear tire either, as this method works really well for those of us with less brawn and more brains.
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2016, 04:00:14 pm »
I use Nicole's meathod to gain clearance with the bike in the side stand doing the front tire change when not using the lift.

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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2016, 09:55:49 pm »
I use Nicole's meathod to gain clearance with the bike in the side stand doing the front tire change when not using the lift.

Great idea! Thank you :)
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Re: Help! Rear wheel install...
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2016, 01:35:01 pm »
I have to show you a tool I really like for doing this.

I had the Pitbull rear stand.  Obviously, not needed with this bikes centerstand, but it was for my other bike. I had a gift certificate that was going to expire, and I knew my friends would laugh when I brought  this thing out.

Its a Pitbull tire wedge.  Very much usable without the stand.  It will hold the tire/wheel assembly at the perfect height for re-install.

 https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2015/04/14/pit-bull-tire-wedge-positions-wheels-for-easy-axle-removal-installation/