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I can turn the key on and get the Keypass symbol....I can hear and feel the click on the ignition.  The screen goes blank after the Keypass symbol goes off.  There is power to the windshield and brake lights.  I tried to search on the problem with no luck.  Any information would be greatly appreciated!  :)

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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2018, 05:16:07 pm »
I would probably start at cleaning the battery terminals then making sure it's tight. Also check the battery voltage and fuses. Others will chime in on what else to check...

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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 06:34:30 pm »
As noted above, with the addition of "remove the battery" to do this all....
Abrasively clean both terminals and cable ends with sandpaper, and also remove the ground connection at the fram, and do the same...
Then reassemble all, and tighten the bolts accordingly...
If its the original battery that came in the bike, or even 4 years or so old, might take it to a parts store and have it load checked... they do it for free... but batt must be fully charged to accomplish it. Charge it with a normal 2 amp charger, not a tender, so it gets a good soak first...

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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 09:02:13 pm »
I'm agreeing with the two earlier posts.  If you recall what happens after the key turns the bike on, you get some instruments wiggling but the first real "kick" that the system gets is from the fuel pump that cycles on with that characteristic whine.  The fuel pump takes a considerable amount of current and so if you have a bad battery or a bad connection, that pushes the electrical system "over-the-edge" so to speak and there is now no longer enough voltage to run the electronics and everything shuts down.

If you been hanging out here for any length of time, the battery ground connection postings will surely have caught your eye.  It's a fairly common problem.  But a dead battery cell will do the same thing.  Clean first since that costs nothing and is easy to do.  Then have the battery LOAD TESTED.  It should produce something close to the rated amperage.  If not, it's bad, replace it.
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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 10:03:41 pm »
While we have directed the o/p in the proper list to accomplish, I will have to say that the fuelpump itself, isn't a big amp hog at all, especially at startup... it only pulses on for 3 seconds, and shuts off... and if the key is turned off, and then a restart is attempted, a second or third time, the fuel pump will not necessarily repeat its start sequence, as the fuel pressure is sensed, and the need for it doesn't repeat always.

Also, o/p notes that windshield operates.... now THAT item is an amp hog, it has a 30a fuse, and pulls lots of current...
The fuelpump (i was suprised to find it does not have its own fuse) is running off the main fuse, which is a 30a but it doesn't pull anything compared to the shield.. or the actual starter motor...

All said tho, the high inductive loads required by the starter, in combo with the starter relay, and other electronics that do energise simultaniously at start button push, excede the capacity of a dirty connection to supply all the necessary paths, preventing the lower current draw components from functioning, like the ecu, and instruments.
The windshield actually pulls so much current, that it kinda invisibly arcs at the connections interface, not sparks so to speak, but forces current flow thru whatever "clean" contact the connection has, up to the point it also becomes a resistive connection, thru electrolytic resistive coating being formed by the draw.

Clean the cables, and terminals, and see what ya got. :great: :great: ;)
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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2018, 11:51:08 am »
Thanks for the help guys.  Did not have time yesterday but will today.
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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass - PROBLEM SOLVED
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2018, 05:13:05 pm »
Thanks for the help!  It turned out to be the IG fuse.... :)  :great:
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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass - PROBLEM SOLVED
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2018, 05:24:56 pm »
Good to hear!! If it was a fuse that blew, I'd probably make sure battery and all other electrical is working properly since obviously something caused it to blow.

Thanks for the help!  It turned out to be the IG fuse.... :)  :great:
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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass - PROBLEM SOLVED
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2018, 06:09:05 pm »
Good to hear!! If it was a fuse that blew, I'd probably make sure battery and all other electrical is working properly since obviously something caused it to blow.

Thanks for the help!  It turned out to be the IG fuse.... :)  :great:


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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass - PROBLEM SOLVED
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2018, 07:08:52 pm »
I think I may have accidentally turned the kill switch off and on quickly.
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Re: Help...ignition problem...don't think it is Keypass - PROBLEM SOLVED
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2018, 02:39:24 pm »
All:

Related to fuses: my 5 amp on my 2013, is not as wide as the others in the fuse block. My GPS was not getting pwr, fuse looked blown months ago, replaced and GPS still didn't work. Short story, moved the little devil fuse slightly to the right in the "holder" and GPS gets power.

Valve adjustment related:  At 25K my mechanic said I only had two valves needing adjusting. I guess I don't go supersonic often enough!

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