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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2017, 10:48:48 pm »
The part I find difficult about torque settings are the small settings of 10-12 Foot pounds.  Most wrenches don't go that low.


So you have to go with an inch-pound wrench and do the math.

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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2017, 03:00:50 am »
The part I find difficult about torque settings are the small settings of 10-12 Foot pounds.  Most wrenches don't go that low.

So you have to go with an inch-pound wrench and do the math.

multiplying by 12 isn't rocket surgery  ;)

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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2017, 04:24:56 am »
You can do surgery on a rocket?  :017:

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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2017, 07:41:00 am »
The part I find difficult about torque settings are the small settings of 10-12 Foot pounds.  Most wrenches don't go that low.

So you have to go with an inch-pound wrench and do the math.

multiplying by 12 isn't rocket surgery  ;)
For some it is more than that!

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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2017, 07:41:50 am »
You can do surgery on a rocket?  :017:
Well, certainly. After few of these  :beerchug: :beerchug: :beerchug:

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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2017, 04:34:39 pm »
You can do surgery on a rocket?  :017:

Yes, we do it in the Air Force daily.   :beerchug:
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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2017, 04:40:51 pm »
Using proper torque on an engine oil drain plug is crucial to the health of the engine.
Failure to use calibrated and certified torque wrench will result in severe internal damage of an engine.
Also, use of proper PPE is vital while performing delicate torqueing procedure.

This sounds like something out of an Military Technical Order...especially the PPE part...I don't miss those things  ;D
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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2017, 09:00:54 pm »
Using proper torque on an engine oil drain plug is crucial to the health of the engine.
Failure to use calibrated and certified torque wrench will result in severe internal damage of an engine.
Also, use of proper PPE is vital while performing delicate torqueing procedure.

This sounds like something out of an Military Technical Order...especially the PPE part...I don't miss those things  ;D


Like the requirement of using an 8’ monkey tail when your platform is 4’ off the ground?


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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2017, 09:52:52 am »
Using proper torque on an engine oil drain plug is crucial to the health of the engine.
Failure to use calibrated and certified torque wrench will result in severe internal damage of an engine.
Also, use of proper PPE is vital while performing delicate torqueing procedure.

This sounds like something out of an Military Technical Order...especially the PPE part...I don't miss those things  ;D



Like the requirement of using an 8’ monkey tail when your platform is 4’ off the ground?


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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2017, 11:59:22 am »
The part I find difficult about torque settings are the small settings of 10-12 Foot pounds.  Most wrenches don't go that low.


So you have to go with an inch-pound wrench and do the math.

This is where Ive seen people have trouble....not because they were not able to multiply by 12, but because these 10-12lb bolts were often related to the oil drain plug.

One year, Yamaha gave away really nice Snap-on Torque wrenches with a purchase of a new YZ, offroad motorcycle.

It was not even a month before three members ripped the threads from their oil pan. Except, on the two strokes, there was no "oil pan", there were "case halves".....($$$$) to replace.

The problem was the suggested torque figures were with a brand new, DRY bolt. Very tough to do on an oil drain ....

So, with that in mind, do you guys know of a rule  thumb that a responsible owner should use when working in an area like this?

Lets say you have that drain bolt and theirs really no way to keep it oil free. Do you re-set the wrench to reflect 25% lower?  -50%?

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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2017, 02:07:22 pm »
I always assumed if the torque spec was for say an oil drain plug, they took that into consideration that it was going to be oily.  I have always just used the torque spec quoted in the manual for everything I have car or bike, and haven't stripped one out yet, or had one come loose.

On another bike of mine,  (Wee-Strom) there were a lot of problems with galling and stripping the threads of the rear axle, where the spec is for a dry bolt.  The consensus was to use anti-seize and 15-20% less torque, and no one had any problems after that.
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Re: Importance of applying Torque Settings for Oil Drain Bolt and Oil Filter?
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2017, 03:33:45 pm »
I think this idea of a clean bolt got mix up with the idea of
a dry bolt. What happens when you use tread lock? Is that
dry? I think clean and dry are not the same. Clean yes, dry?
Years ago we measured torque by the stretch of the bolt.
Today we turn a bolt so many degrees beyond a torque point.
Go to a school that teaches mackinac's and ask the instructor
how they teach it. Anti seize is a grease isn't it?

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I was told in a class....Im not sure I can even  explain this class..It was pretty silly. Our company made us attend a 8 hour training class, from a well known fitting manufacturer (located in Houston, Tx) before we were allowed to install 1/4 unions on 1/4 inch stainless steel tubing that was going to be filled with 25psi of compressed air....

The topic of torque, thread lock, and torque wrenches came up.  It had to since we met the classes goal within 10 minutes and still had 7hrs, 50 minutes to fill...

The instructor did say thread lock for sure counted as a "wet" bolt.    He claimed it was a good idea to reduce the setting on your torque wrench 25% when dealing with a wet bolt vs dry.

 He said there was also a difference between a brand new bolt as opposed to one that had been used before.

I know this is going to the ridiculous level, but probably worth considering since the cost is so high on some of the parts we can damage.

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For me anyway . if I gotta guess our torque wrench settings. I mean go 25% lower or maybe 15% lower then the torque wrench is useless.
 You guys are right that values are set with dry/new/clean threads.
  This is a case where a good experienced "feel" for tight is sufficient.
  There are certain things I will use a torque wrench for but an oil drain plug? Furgetaboutit.
 
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