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Offline 1965soda

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Instrument cluster woes....
« on: September 21, 2018, 04:51:15 pm »
Good afternoon COG wisdom chest.

I have a an issue with the instrument cluster that just surfaced and I could not locate any posts that seemed to match.  As a result, I am starting a new topic to see if anyone has any experience with this and/or may have some suggestions.

During my daily commute this week (which has been quite rainy) I noticed some moisture under the clear plastic over the display panel and instruments on the bike.  Then this morning as I pull in and shut the bike off, the oil light came on, and neutral lights stayed on (key off).  I cycled the bike on/off a couple times (with the main ignition switch) but that did not help.  Over lunch today I walked up to the bike to try to see if the lights were still on....from what I could tell, they were off until I got close enough with the fob and when the security light started blinking....the oil and neutral lights also came on.  I turned the key on, started the bike, and turned it off.  No change. 

I will check the service manual later today but do not expect there is anything serviceable with the cluster.  I do still have the extended Kawi warranty so if this looks to be a failure of the cluster itself, I will get it scheduled for a service visit.

Thanks for any experiences/thoughts/recommendations.
Currently in garage: 2011 C14, 2007 FZ1, 2001 M900 S4, 1983 900 Seca, 2002 ZRX1200
Rides of the past: 1986 900 Ninja, 1999 Ducati 900ss, 2002 R6, 2005 FJR, 1998 C10, 1998 VTR1000, 1989 1100 Katana, 1983 CB1100F, 1985 900 Ninja, 1983 900 Seca, 1982 Seca turbo, 1982 CX500 turbo, 1982 750 Seca, 1983 550 Vision, 1974 CB400F, mid 70's Rupp mini-bike :-)

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Re: Instrument cluster woes....
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2018, 05:41:20 pm »
other than rain water that got into the switch pods, water in the dash gae housing shouldn't prevent the power down sequence the bike goes thru when shut off...
there have been instances of wires in a harness plug, that plugs into the relay box or the ECU under the seat tho, that when th wire was displaced, the bike when shut off, didn't completely 'power down'...
I'd suggest un plugging, and re-plugging the 3 harness' to the relay box, and the main one to the ECU, while pushing the "wire bundle" firmily into the connector plug, to make sure no single wire is partially 'ejected' from the rear of the plug.

other than that, blowing both switch pods (the ones on the had grips) out thoughrouly with compressed air ( I've had issues with the high/low beam switch, in rain), and also the ignition switch, to remove any possible water from them...

I think it's related to the wire bundle and connector interface at the relay box tho.
I'd suggest attending to this a.s.a.p., as a relay controlling the start sequence/shutdown is not de-energizing, and will kill your battery if left unchecked.
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Re: Instrument cluster woes....
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2018, 01:56:32 pm »
Thanks for the suggestion MoB.  Unfortunately, the items I checked have not resulted in a solution.  I opened up the left switch housing, dry inside (did blow it out anyway).  Checked the plugs in/out of the ECU and other components under the seat, also dry but reseated them just in case.  Checked the connectors under the dash area and reseated those.  Looked under the tank-top panel at the relays, all were dry, checked the plugs, and also cycled the key on and off to see if they clicked (some did some did not).  I did get a suggestion to try removing a particular fuses to see if it has an impact and I will try that tonight. 

I did notice when looking it over this past weekend that when the bike is off if I pull the left trigger finger switch (the one that allows you to toggle through the display) that the problematic oil and neutral lights go out.  The lights come back on when I release the switch.  The switch works normally when the bike is on and the oil/neutral lights also work normally when the bike is running. 

Also, there appears to be little drain on the battery when off....after a couple days of not running, the bike started right up and continues to run normally.  I also have a Rostra on the bike and at first thought maybe the switch had shorted....but that continues to operate perfectly. 

This one is a head scratcher and unless I can sort it out with out much more effort, I will be bringing it into the dealer to have them do some troubleshooting as the bike is still under GTPP.

Thanks for any other suggestions.
Currently in garage: 2011 C14, 2007 FZ1, 2001 M900 S4, 1983 900 Seca, 2002 ZRX1200
Rides of the past: 1986 900 Ninja, 1999 Ducati 900ss, 2002 R6, 2005 FJR, 1998 C10, 1998 VTR1000, 1989 1100 Katana, 1983 CB1100F, 1985 900 Ninja, 1983 900 Seca, 1982 Seca turbo, 1982 CX500 turbo, 1982 750 Seca, 1983 550 Vision, 1974 CB400F, mid 70's Rupp mini-bike :-)

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Re: Instrument cluster woes....
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2018, 09:26:25 pm »
the 'relay' box I noted, is the solid state relay box, under the seat... the one with 3 harness' running into it, that is the one that had shown a displaced wire (pushed back out of the plastic shell) when it was inserted... check that closely... the individual "mechanical relays" were not what I was talking about.

SISF was pulling his hair out once, trying to find a cause for a 'drain', and stumbled upon this as a cause...(he was trouble shooting a chattering Throttle sensor, that was cycling with the bike off...)
I admit, it takes a bit of chasing, but he's a tenacious critter... and found it.
Also, maybe completely disconnecting that Rostra, all the power leads, and see what happens, I assume you are using a relay of some sort in that circuit, which may be hanging...
best of luck chasing this one down, keep at it, AND report... thanks,

SEE the attached page about the relay box.. below,
and also, maybe pull the battery, and pull the main relay out (behind the battery) to see if it de'energizes, and resets... may also do diagnostics on that per the FSM. It may be failed, and staying latched also...

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Re: Instrument cluster woes....
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2018, 11:32:42 am »
Thanks MoB.  I am pretty sure I looked over the wires closely when I removed and reconnected the plugs on the relay box....but will check again. 

When I went to do some more chasing last evening, with the key off, I pulled the trigger switch on the left bar switch pod and just as it was doing before....the oil and neutral lights went out.  However, when I released the switch, the lights stayed off.  Now the symptoms of the issue are gone....which will make troubleshooting more challenging.  I will check a few more things that have been recommended and will keep riding the bike to see if the issue resurfaces.  I expect it probably will....but may not occur again until we get some more rainy weather. 

Thank you again for the suggestions and responses.  I will gladly post up if/when I find some additional information.
Currently in garage: 2011 C14, 2007 FZ1, 2001 M900 S4, 1983 900 Seca, 2002 ZRX1200
Rides of the past: 1986 900 Ninja, 1999 Ducati 900ss, 2002 R6, 2005 FJR, 1998 C10, 1998 VTR1000, 1989 1100 Katana, 1983 CB1100F, 1985 900 Ninja, 1983 900 Seca, 1982 Seca turbo, 1982 CX500 turbo, 1982 750 Seca, 1983 550 Vision, 1974 CB400F, mid 70's Rupp mini-bike :-)