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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #100 on: September 04, 2017, 04:01:08 pm »
Roland, can I give you some advice?  Just stop posting in this thread.  If you feel strongly that Ivan's flash is good, start a new thread.  Discuss its merits.  Point out Ivan's reputation, the hard work he's done, give it glowing reviews.  If it truly is as good as you say, it will catch on.  But there's no reason at all to mention other vendors, nor question their ethics, in order to sell a good product. Keep it positive about Ivan & his flash.  Because I'm going to tell you a little secret:  In my opinion there are 2 vendors in COGdom who are untouchable.  Their work ethic, products, and honesty have never been questioned. They are Gary Murphy and Steve Sefsick.  If you try to sell your friend's product by bashing one of the most respected vendors (and members) in COG, well you see how it's turned out.  So, looking forward to another thread, now that you've put some miles on the flash give some real world before/after insights and good luck.

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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #101 on: September 04, 2017, 04:13:10 pm »
First let me say I've never met or had any dealings with Ivan.
 What I do have is a very good understanding of Dyno graphs. To say that an additional 500 RPM provides a "Hard pull" when his own dyno shows a DROP in both Hp and Tq between 10.5k and 11k is mystifing to say the least. To provide a "Hard pull" requires increasing power.


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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #102 on: September 04, 2017, 06:33:37 pm »
Roland, can I give you some advice?  Just stop posting in this thread.  If you feel strongly that Ivan's flash is good, start a new thread.  Discuss its merits.  Point out Ivan's reputation, the hard work he's done, give it glowing reviews.  If it truly is as good as you say, it will catch on.  But there's no reason at all to mention other vendors, nor question their ethics, in order to sell a good product. Keep it positive about Ivan & his flash.  Because I'm going to tell you a little secret:  In my opinion there are 2 vendors in COGdom who are untouchable.  Their work ethic, products, and honesty have never been questioned. They are Gary Murphy and Steve Sefsick.  If you try to sell your friend's product by bashing one of the most respected vendors (and members) in COG, well you see how it's turned out.  So, looking forward to another thread, now that you've put some miles on the flash give some real world before/after insights and good luck.

My opinion is just let it lay....

Please DONT start another thread, this one was painful enough to watch... we don't need another one, which will deteriorate just as this one did.. simple fact, it WILL happen... so...

He said everything he wanted to, or needed to about his experience, and satisfaction... leave it at that...please....

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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #103 on: September 04, 2017, 06:40:28 pm »
I just can't seem to help myself. I went back and re-read everything on Ivan's site about his C14 flash and found this. I did click on his "Contact" but again no email and I'm not going to call.
"The Concours 14 shares the same reciprocating parts as it's sibling ZX14 ie;
Crankshaft, connecting rods, piston pins, and valves.... all the same part # (for all years of C14)
ZX14 pistons have higher domes and are just slightly higher compression"


Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't the ZX14 pistons forged and the C14 cast? Big difference. It's not just reciprocating parts that are important. ALL ROTATING mass is critical to accelerating and decelerating. It's why a light weight crank rev's so much faster than a heavier one.

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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #104 on: September 04, 2017, 07:42:27 pm »
Every flash thread turns into a drama event.
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #105 on: September 04, 2017, 09:15:57 pm »
Every flash thread turns into a drama event.
I have to contest this. We have what seems like a thousand or so threads about flashing. Most are very favorable and positive reports-albeit repeating in that sense-which gets old.  So I don't see the drama part?  I think the OP was called out appropriately and there was some semanlance of an apology and plenty of rebuttals.  So let this one die.......... :deadhorse:
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #106 on: September 04, 2017, 09:21:02 pm »
I just can't seem to help myself. I went back and re-read everything on Ivan's site about his C14 flash and found this. I did click on his "Contact" but again no email and I'm not going to call.
"The Concours 14 shares the same reciprocating parts as it's sibling ZX14 ie;
Crankshaft, connecting rods, piston pins, and valves.... all the same part # (for all years of C14)
ZX14 pistons have higher domes and are just slightly higher compression"


Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong. Aren't the ZX14 pistons forged and the C14 cast? Big difference. It's not just reciprocating parts that are important. ALL ROTATING mass is critical to accelerating and decelerating. It's why a light weight crank rev's so much faster than a heavier one.

I know, I need to let this go.

I agreed as well, but I do know the answer to the rev limit question....The limiter has been raised to 10,500 from 10,000 and is optional if someone doesn't want it. 

In my case, I went for it, and its a nice improvement.   I believe this type of thing is exactly why he does the phone call, and not e mail. 
« Last Edit: September 04, 2017, 09:27:10 pm by rcannon409 »

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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #107 on: September 04, 2017, 09:27:06 pm »
From 10k to 10.5k ? My 09 hits the limit at 10.5 and even then surprises my every time. Was there a change between Gen 1 and 2 of the C14?
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #108 on: September 04, 2017, 09:30:26 pm »
Is it time for a moderator to lock this thread   >:(
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #109 on: September 04, 2017, 10:46:20 pm »
Is it time for a moderator to lock this thread   >:(
No, no lock, it's just time for people to stop replying to it and LET IT DIE!. Poop, just did it myself didn't I  ;)
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2017, 11:05:34 pm »
Five pages to be considered a masterpiece of illiteration.  Come on guys you can give six pages easy maybe more. Reading this it's kind of like watching Pawn Stars or OCC Choppers.
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #111 on: September 04, 2017, 11:07:40 pm »
From 10k to 10.5k ? My 09 hits the limit at 10.5 and even then surprises my every time. Was there a change between Gen 1 and 2 of the C14?

No, you are right..No idea if there was a change, but the tach display we see is  optimistic. I know my ninja 1000 is off by about 1500rpm, at the redline area. Dont know if this one is quite as bad, but its not "dead on" accurate, either. 

So, real "10,500" looks more like 11,500, from our tach display. 

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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #112 on: September 05, 2017, 12:08:21 am »
My independent Data Logger agrees with the Tach within 50-75 rpm.
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #113 on: September 05, 2017, 12:11:43 am »
Man, I did it again. Anyone know when the next COG Anonymous meeting is? >:(
I'm starting to think I need addiction counseling. :truce:

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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #114 on: September 05, 2017, 01:50:02 am »
Flash or no flash shifting at anything over 10,000 is a waste of time on these bikes, Just shift to the next gear to keep going faster.  :motonoises:
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #115 on: September 05, 2017, 02:01:33 am »
Very true, except when in 6th gear :-[ .
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #116 on: September 05, 2017, 02:08:04 am »
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Re: Ivans New reflash for the Concours 14
« Reply #117 on: September 05, 2017, 08:13:42 am »
How about my duck, is it better than Ivan's flash?