My intention here was not to cause any trouble. It was just to talk
about Ivan's Flash.
I'm sorry that it reads as a personal attack, against Steve, but it was a
response to other people's negative comments about where I got my work done.
From now on, I'll provide information for those who are
interested and my experience enjoying this flash from day to day.
The bike is a completely new bike all over again.
I was going to buy Steve's reflash. However, after studying his chart for slip-ons,
as well some exhaust manufacturers charts, something about Steve's chart did
not make sense to me.
I realized that the comparison chart was comparing two different gear ratios that were
different from each other appx. 20%, or about 1 gear apart Its this chart:
https://fc3a7ead-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/shoodabenengineering/concours1400/Stock%20Vs%20Evolution.PNG?attachauth=ANoY7cr8rj3NBYhKZanOT2Yc8TdYjUQvRe49HfmOB1VZ-V4t8ZePY-ENg1d6R00qCwMYFZ9_1ExeR5wTGSui2oTJ1wsnA_vRYjAkYe9MhNLmHGPJaQmCLLpe1dYkGuESO2MBU2v6TXDp1Fwobm-Z4pODmoNUO2s4hUx0wn5gNvay_C_sMCZcOqG9cOKLDEFViE2g2ijykRMlcY5yaGiPPugwvGb-5e6PSYFPSiCgz5R7l4qX851Zgz3rKCOA_DkhhNylDwf1ofjZ&attredirects=1
Also, I couldn't find a C14 dyno chart that was as weak at low rpm anywhere.
This is what made me suspicious, and I chose to spend my money with my usual tuner.
Again, no intention to harm or attack anyone, just present some
information.
Sorry for getting angry.
OK, thanks Rcannon for clearing that up for me, you ARE accusing me of being "less than truthful" and I appreciate you explaining that you think I posted a "weak" stock chart in order to make my flash look better. So let's look at that.
First, let's look at 2 charts...we'll use my chart that you kindly posted in your post above, and Ivan's stock ecu chart, the first one on his site, with stock run #5 listed as his stock run. We'll use the torque trace as comparison because it's more granular and easier to work with.
Ivan started his run around 17-1800 rpm, I started mine around 2200 rpm. Both charts show the same 2500 rpm flattening / dip, Mine is decidedly weaker at that 2500 rpm point than Ivan's but my run had just started 2-300 rpm before whereas Ivan's already was making power for an extra 500 rpm or so.
Next, let's look at 3000 rpm... Both runs are running about 70# Tq... no appreciable difference.
the same is true for 4-5-6000 rpm. the runs are very close to each other.
To say my stock run is "weak" really falls down when it's actually 5 hp
higher than Ivans.
Now you're playing on the "gear" difference. Let's look at that. I selected the 2 runs NOT because I could "play games" with the chart, but because the start and stop points on each run were so close to each other. In fact if anything the stock run gets help by being in 4th gear whereas my flashed run was in 5th gear.
Of course, after reading what you wrote, and then reviewing what Ivan posted on his page 2, I came to understand what you're alleging... that I used ECO mode to make my flashed run look better.
So let me state this in as clear a method as I can.
My stock runs were NOT done in ECO mode. I did nothing to mislead, and my dyno runs are what the dyno recorded. Heck, I even use SAE correction, not STD which would bump my numbers up. Who uses STD? HMMM.
My advise at this point would be to "tread lightly" on your allegations. Think before you post... I would hate it if you did something to materially affect my ability to make a living by making incorrect and libelous statements as "factual".
Oh, and one more thing... you also made statements about how I'm all about the money. Are you aware that I have donated almost 1600.00 worth of product and labor to COG within the last year? for COG members, just like you.
You're welcome.
Steve
ETA... going back to vacation. I only have a couple days left
