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Jerky off idle throttle response
« on: July 23, 2019, 12:34:07 pm »
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Hi Gents
My awesome, otherwise, C-14 has some quite jerky throttle response opening and closing the throttle While riding.
If I completely eliminate the cable play with this help?
Is there anything I can do?
Thanks in advance!

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2019, 12:48:09 pm »
1. Yes you can close the gap between the throttle cables
2. A reflash, all I can speak for is Steve's Mt. Rider flash it made a huge difference I rideability. The flash was a big improvement in the bikes street manner and a significant improvement in power.
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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2019, 01:34:05 pm »
Smoothness in throttle response was the biggest improvement I notice with Steve's mountain runner flash.  It completely eliminated the sudden lurch when you come onto the throttle from idle.  I do still have a little bit of play in my cables, but not much so I didn't mess with that.
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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2019, 06:24:06 pm »
Even with the flash, in my opinion this bike will always be more "jerky" on the throttle since it's shaft-driven.  I do have Steve's flash, and the bike has never had as smooth a response as compared to my old chain drive Ninja 650.  Still, I've learned to compensate for this by revving higher before an up-shift and letting off throttle more slowly.

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2019, 06:30:20 pm »
 Nickrides,
 This is a common complaint and yes there is a fix. Get it flashed and youll be amazed how much better you enjoy riding it.
  Ive owned a couple of C14's now and rode a few others. Tried everything.
  Ran a few different versions of Steve's flash and  I just got Steve's new Mountain Runner Premium .
  This is by far the smoothest shifting on off throttle C14 I've every ridden.
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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2019, 10:04:08 pm »
OK
Reflash
What is it and how do I do it or get it performed?

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2019, 10:46:27 pm »
Found the FLASH link
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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2019, 02:13:51 pm »
Nickrides,
 This is a common complaint and yes there is a fix. Get it flashed and youll be amazed how much better you enjoy riding it.
  Ive owned a couple of C14's now and rode a few others. Tried everything.
  Ran a few different versions of Steve's flash and  I just got Steve's new Mountain Runner Premium .
  This is by far the smoothest shifting on off throttle C14 I've every ridden.

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2019, 08:26:06 pm »
Hey Yo
So I spoke with Steve and he's gonna reflash my C-14 ECU
After the flash and bar back installation [ if they ever arrive] I'm gonna be rocking in the free world!

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2019, 03:27:21 pm »
Nickrides,
 This is a common complaint and yes there is a fix. Get it flashed and youll be amazed how much better you enjoy riding it.
  Ive owned a couple of C14's now and rode a few others. Tried everything.
  Ran a few different versions of Steve's flash and  I just got Steve's new Mountain Runner Premium .
  This is by far the smoothest shifting on off throttle C14 I've every ridden.

I'm glad to read this, my MRP Re-flash is shipping back to me right now. I can't wait to install and hope I have the same first impressions...

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2019, 04:35:16 pm »
Are you going from stock to the MRP?
I went from MR to MRP and love it.
If your going from stock to MRP, the change will be more noticeable than mine.
Report back with your findings...

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2019, 05:12:23 pm »
Stock to MRP as I've always put in 91+ anyway...I live in the CA Mountains but take runs out to the empty desert all the time, MRP seems to be the best choice after talking with Steve.

I'm hopping for the jerkiness to be smoothed out some as well. I liked on Steve's website how he said you'll stop bumping heads with your passenger..LOL! That's such a true statement on how jerky the bike really is.

I hope to get some riding time in next week...and will be sure to post comments.

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2019, 05:35:54 pm »
I went from stock, to MRP on my '08, and can say for certain, it's an eye opener...  :) :) :great:

I kick my own butt for waiting soooo long... but then, the MRP outshines everything prior, so I don't feel so bad.  ;)

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2019, 08:56:29 pm »
I went from stock, to MRP on my '08, and can say for certain, it's an eye opener...  :) :) :great:

I kick my own butt for waiting soooo long... but then, the MRP outshines everything prior, so I don't feel so bad.  ;)

I looked at this back before MR and waited because I live in the mountains and wanted back pressure.
Then MR came out I was going to jump on it but life got in the way.
Finally got around to looking at this again and low-and-behold MR became MRP...so I finally jumped on it.  :rotflmao:

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2019, 01:36:56 pm »
Enjoy !!
When you first ride the bike some of the changes will bel subtle..
Blasting away from your Buddy will be EZ to notice...   :motonoises:
After awhile your brain will pick up the changes and you'll smile {a lot}.  :great:

  for instance; doing twisties in 4th or 5th instead of 2nd or 3rd..
                     pulling away from a stop easily
                     shifting thru the gears smoothly

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2019, 02:47:31 pm »
Ted,

What is this "shifting thru gears smoothly" thing you speak of?

Light turns green, accelerate "briskly", reach 60, pull clutch lever, shift to 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th, release clutch.  :motonoises: :motonoises:

Well, I guess that is pretty smooth...    ;D

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2019, 03:24:14 pm »
I'm old, but not that old....     :rotflmao: 
       Unlike you / <evil grin>   :nananana:
"I" use all the gears and accelerate "briskly" !!   :motonoises: :great:

I have no idea how it's done, but the Flash definitely makes the shifts smoother..

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2019, 04:14:34 pm »
Hey, which one of us is retired ya' old xxxx?     :D    (You are retired, right?)

& I love the MR flash. Unfortunately, the above technique only works once in a while commuting.    :(   All those other drivers keep getting in MY way on MY road!!!    :rotflmao:   So, going smoothly thru the gears is a regular occurrence. Nickrides, the flash is the best farkle you can get for the bike.

Well, Vancouver is closer so certainly hope to get there. But the wife keeps talking about using all my vacation time to explore possible retirement locations... We'll see.

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2019, 04:30:59 pm »
Yes, I are retired..  :great:

Drivers on My Road "get passed" as I shift smoothly..  :motonoises:

"Yer not thinking [sneaky e'nuff]".    :rotflmao:
    ie;  Vancouver (and other rally sites) "ARE" possible retirement location's.. :)

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2019, 06:31:04 am »
Try using eco around town. I find it smoother

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2019, 03:26:52 pm »
I'm going to get Ivan's flash done on my 2014 C14.
http://ivansperformanceproducts.com/ZG1400.htm

The jerky-ness is caused by the motor practically being turned off by shutting down the valves on the  motor upon throttle roll-off. This factory configuration is done for fuel savings and ecology.

Dodgerider says it's the best flash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9XPlBv3hI



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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2019, 03:42:47 pm »
I'm going to get Ivan's flash done on my 2014 C14.
http://ivansperformanceproducts.com/ZG1400.htm

The jerky-ness is caused by the motor practically being turned off by shutting down the valves on the  motor upon throttle roll-off. This factory configuration is done for fuel savings and ecology.

Dodgerider says it's the best flash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9XPlBv3hI

Can’t go wrong here. Fantastic flash.

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2019, 11:42:05 pm »
I'm going to get Ivan's flash done on my 2014 C14.
http://ivansperformanceproducts.com/ZG1400.htm

The jerky-ness is caused by the motor practically being turned off by shutting down the valves on the  motor upon throttle roll-off. This factory configuration is done for fuel savings and ecology.

Dodgerider says it's the best flash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb9XPlBv3hI


I've had two versions of the SHoodaben Flash, and recently switched to Ivan's.

Simply stated, money well spent, and I'm not looking back.  :beerchug:

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2019, 12:54:02 pm »
As long as you guys continue to drink and disperse the Koolaid, I will quietly and politely continue to offer a contrarian point of view.  ::)

And the proof is that I had two versions of whatever Steve's flash of the month was called, and neither performed as well as Ivan's.  And more to that comment, I never felt like Steve understood the meaning of the word "customer", whereas Ivan does. 
Ivan also has a strong following and product lineup for many other bikes, not just the Concours.  All of those bikes for which he offers products are sitting in his shop, next to his Dyno.  He built this tune because he LIKES and rides the C14, not because he saw a huge market for a tune.

And keep in mind, that Ivan was still on point at the National this year, quietly donating free flashes to door prize winners, even after all of the hyperbole and chaff that's been thrown at him on the forum.

I will admit (as many know of my bike) I have a ZX14 header with Dual pipes, which makes a flash somewhat specific to my setup.  After waiting in vain two years for Steve to develop a specific flash for my application (which he insisted was necessary), I was able to visit Ivan's shop in Greenville, SC, and get my ECU flashed, and ride it back to back.
It took me less than 5 miles on the open road to realize what I'd been missing.

The Irony??  Ivan has ONE flash for all applications, and to my knowledge, he doesn't release a new one every 3-6 months.

One man's opinion, but the proof is in the pudding for me.  And I don't ride slow OR easy.

Everybody is welcome to their own opinions, but there truly aren't enough people in positions of influence on this forum making informed first-hand claims about Ivan's Flash, and I don't think that's fair.

Until you've ridden a bike flashed by Ivan and compared the two - your opinions are JUST that.

I challenge you all to find one instance of someone who has bought both flashes, and gone back to Steve's.
Go ahead.  The real challenge is getting any of you tightwads to part with the ca$h TWICE because you bought Steve's flash first, and didn't consider the other.

Free re-flashes seem to keep you all coming back for more.  Re-branding is an amazing thing.  :-X

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Re: Jerky off idle throttle response
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2019, 01:05:09 pm »
GR990 - Facts matter. I do not have a flash for your Exhaust. i'm sure I told you that. I'm sure I didn't even try to sell you on any of my flashes, knowing they wouldn't work optimally with your setup. My flashes don't work for a dual exhaust setup. I have had guys bring me zx exhaust equipped connies for dyno work. In every case the bike was cobbled together or sick with leaks, etc, that prevented me from getting valid AFR information for tuning. And really that wouldn't have satisfied me anyways, as I want to put the exhaust on my bike and datalog to it.

   There are others here with dual zx14 exhaust and my flash. Ask them if I ever represented my flash as working optimally for their setup.

   Ivan has a dedicated flash for that setup. I do not, and never represented to you or anyone else that I do. I'm glad you are happy with your Ivan flash. I do expect it's better than what you had from me, in that application. But let's be real we are now comparing apples and oranges. your statement has nothing to do with the average guy with a slip on, a bike my tune is designed to work optimally for.

    I will be building a dedicated flash for the new delkevic zx header / single exhaust setup. I expect that will be a much more popular exhaust setup than the several combinations of zx 14 / zx14r / early zx14 / later zx14  headers and then the various stock muffler / aftermarket muffler homebrewed zx exhast combos that I have chosen not to build for.

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