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key fob question
« on: August 13, 2012, 12:01:04 am »
I am new to this forum. After I blew the engine in my 06 ax14  i got a new 2012 Concours abs. I love the bike and rode it from Naples Florida to Seattle. The dealership couldn't find the manual so they said I could pick it up when I got back.
I rode the whole way without taking the key out of my fob ( except to open the gas cap or the bags) or using the key in my credit card fob; I just turned the wheel that kinda looks like a stove's knob and I used my key in the key fob for the gas cap and bags. Is there some reason I shouldn't be doing this? It seems that most of the problems with the key fob are about taking the key in and out of the bike. It seems that these problems are all avoided by just using the knob?
also who sells the highway pegs and the protective bars for the saddlebags?
I am riding back the middle of September and hope to get the pegs and bars by then as well as find out about the fob question. Lots of great information here I was lucky to find it. :great:
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 12:18:56 am »
The myth about never removing the ignition key from the ignition is just like 'kill the virgin, grow the wheat'- it sounds great but really doesn't work. The stove knob key was always meant to be removed and used in the Fuel cap, Saddlebags or Seat locks (FSS position on the ignition). Some people think removing that key is 'bad juju' but that is nothing more than any other urban legend.

I have had my C-14 since 25 July 2007, am closing on 90 K miles on the bike and have always used the stove knob key for all locks on the bike. Doing that is part of what makes KiPass convenient in the first place.

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I am new to this forum. After I blew the engine in my 06 ax14  i got a new 2012 Concours abs. I love the bike and rode it from Naples Florida to Seattle. The dealership couldn't find the manual so they said I could pick it up when I got back.
I rode the whole way without taking the key out of my fob ( except to open the gas cap or the bags) or using the key in my credit card fob; I just turned the wheel that kinda looks like a stove's knob and I used my key in the key fob for the gas cap and bags. Is there some reason I shouldn't be doing this? It seems that most of the problems with the key fob are about taking the key in and out of the bike. It seems that these problems are all avoided by just using the knob?
also who sells the highway pegs and the protective bars for the saddlebags?
I am riding back the middle of September and hope to get the pegs and bars by then as well as find out about the fob question. Lots of great information here I was lucky to find it. :great:
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 08:36:00 am »
Bars, pegs, etc. can be found in the Acessories section on the main Forum menu.  Plenty of stuff to dig through.
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 09:21:21 am »
The myth about never removing the ignition key from the ignition is just like 'kill the virgin, grow the wheat'- it sounds great but really doesn't work. The stove knob key was always meant to be removed and used in the Fuel cap, Saddlebags or Seat locks (FSS position on the ignition). Some people think removing that key is 'bad juju' but that is nothing more than any other urban legend.

Gosh, I never heard that myth. Now I feel left out.  :motonoises:

When I got mine in January of this year, I had already had the manual a week. The dealer gave it to me the day I came in to sign the papers and drop off my PR3s and Genmar 406 risers to be installed (for free, of course.... traded the stock tires basically). So when I rode it home, and parked it in the garage, I started fooling with stuff to see it first hand. Turned the key all the way right, took it out, compared it to the fob key, opened the side bags with it, put it back in the ignition lock, and thats where its been ever since.

I wear my big fob on a neck lanyard you can buy at Radio Shack or Amazon which is designed to hold an iPod or small digital camera. So its always with me where I can easily get the key out when I'm riding.

So it just never occurs to me to take the key out of the ignition, because it is less convenient to do so.
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 09:39:16 am »
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- cut a spare key for the fuel cap + panniers.

- leave the knob-key in the bike.

- that will ensure you long and reliable service from the bike.

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Re: key fob question
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2012, 11:42:37 am »
Owner manuals are available for free online at Kawasaki.com
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2012, 12:39:01 pm »
Owner manuals are available for free online at Kawasaki.com

+1 on that. When the guy flew down from Canada to get my ZX14, I gave him a new manual, since I had lost the original. Easy to order at Kawasaki.com.
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2012, 03:56:49 pm »
I had a spare key cut that I use for the seat/Bag access.  For fuel cap I use the stove knob.  22k miles and zero issues with that ;)
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2012, 05:13:42 pm »
  Of course I totally disagree with Brian on this. (yeah, big surprise there) :-\   Although there have been plenty of folks who have used the stove knob key without issues. (I will give Brian that) But as always, Brian plays down anything negative about the Concours 14. (Sorry buddy, but you know it's true).  :rotflmao:
   Anyway, quite a few folks (probably more than say they haven't had any issues), have come on the forums with bent key stories. The fact is that the stove knob key is woefully inadequate in it's design. Thus many folks bend them at the slightest exertion of force on said key. Now Brian being an engineer understands this and treats his very gingerly. Thus he claims to have not experienced a bending issue. Well at least not one that he would ever admit.  ::)    But then again, if you listen to Brian, this bike is the best designed and most dependable bike ever made, that has never given anyone any issues either. Of course this is not true either. And Brian's bike is the perfect example. He has probably gotten his bike for free by now, with all the warranty trips it has made to his dealer.  And most of them was when the bike didn't have many miles on it. I guess it does get better with age. :rotflmao:
  As far as KIPASS being convenient. Like anything, it is a matter of opinion. Some folks do not find it convenient at all. But if they don't agree with the pro-KIPASS contingent,  they're bad people. And of course, according to said contingent, folks who have had KIPASS trouble or just do not care for the system, doesn't exists anyway. As we know, nobody has ever had a problem with the system. Like the bent key issue, it's only folk lore (according to certain people).   :rotflmao:

  Now in all fairness. If you're careful with that stove knob key. You could theoretically use it without issues (as Brian claims to have done). Like a lot of others folks, I myself also made spare keys and used them instead of either of the KIPASS designed keys. I found both the Stove Knob and the small fob keys to be more trouble than any normal designed key for such (FSS) uses. I found separate keys on it's own fob to be much more convenient and better designed than either of the KIPASS supplied keys. (Like I said, a matter of opinion) And in my opinion, only Kawasaki would design such a system that uses all the disadvantages of a key, without any of the advantages.   :))


Well that was fun.   :nananana:




The myth about never removing the ignition key from the ignition is just like 'kill the virgin, grow the wheat'- it sounds great but really doesn't work. The stove knob key was always meant to be removed and used in the Fuel cap, Saddlebags or Seat locks (FSS position on the ignition). Some people think removing that key is 'bad juju' but that is nothing more than any other urban legend.

I have had my C-14 since 25 July 2007, am closing on 90 K miles on the bike and have always used the stove knob key for all locks on the bike. Doing that is part of what makes KiPass convenient in the first place.

Brian



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Re: key fob question
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2012, 05:33:14 pm »
I use the FSS position and the stove knob key pretty much exclusively when fueling and accessing the bags.  I've yet to experience any trouble.

Last year I remember witnessing a new C14 owner try to turn the key without waiting for KiPass to indicate ready (display of stove key symbol).

I suspect many stove knob keys are bent by less patient riders who may have used "gorilla" hands on the stove knob.

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Re: key fob question
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2012, 05:40:07 pm »
+1..I think maybe bob is a clutz, or an infiltrator from HOG!!!! :iagree:
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 05:44:37 pm »
And this is exactly why I rarely discuss the <k-word> on this forum in any way.

To others reading along, Bob does not, can not and never has spoken for me. So when Bob expresses my views and opinions it does not in fact reflect my views and opinions. If someone would care to know what I think about a given subject, please feel free to read anything I have written in the public domain or contact me so that I can clarify any issues that may have been.... ‘incorrectly adjusted’.

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  Of course I totally disagree with Brian on this. (yeah, big surprise there) :-\   Although there have been plenty of folks who have used the stove knob key without issues. (I will give Brian that) But as always, Brian plays down anything negative about the Concours 14. (Sorry buddy, but you know it's true).  :rotflmao:
   Anyway, quite a few folks (probably more than say they haven't had any issues), have come on the forums with bent key stories. The fact is that the stove knob key is woefully inadequate in it's design. Thus many folks bend them at the slightest exertion of force on said key. Now Brian being an engineer understands this and treats his very gingerly. Thus he claims to have not experienced a bending issue. Well at least not one that he would ever admit.  ::)    But then again, if you listen to Brian, this bike is the best designed and most dependable bike ever made, that has never given anyone any issues either. Of course this is not true either. And Brian's bike is the perfect example. He has probably gotten his bike for free by now, with all the warranty trips it has made to his dealer.  And most of them was when the bike didn't have many miles on it. I guess it does get better with age. :rotflmao:
  As far as KIPASS being convenient. Like anything, it is a matter of opinion. Some folks do not find it convenient at all. But if they don't agree with the pro-KIPASS contingent,  they're bad people. And of course, according to said contingent, folks who have had KIPASS trouble or just do not care for the system, doesn't exists anyway. As we know, nobody has ever had a problem with the system. Like the bent key issue, it's only folk lore (according to certain people).   :rotflmao:

  Now in all fairness. If you're careful with that stove knob key. You could theoretically use it without issues (as Brian claims to have done). Like a lot of others folks, I myself also made spare keys and used them instead of either of the KIPASS designed keys. I found both the Stove Knob and the small fob keys to be more trouble than any normal designed key for such (FSS) uses. I found separate keys on it's own fob to be much more convenient and better designed than either of the KIPASS supplied keys. (Like I said, a matter of opinion) And in my opinion, only Kawasaki would design such a system that uses all the disadvantages of a key, without any of the advantages.   :))


Well that was fun.   :nananana:


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Re: key fob question
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2012, 06:27:27 pm »
All I know is there is like 3 or 4 competing fob topics at the top of the section right now, which is at least 2 too many.
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 06:54:48 pm »
I have found that the metal used in the stove knob key (as well as the fob keys) is made of the same fine grade chocolate that every other Ign key I have for my vehicles has ever used.  you have to be careful with it or it can bend, this has nothing to do with the FOB or the Kipass system, it's going to be the same on any vehicle.  (I bent 2 keys on my C-10, and one on my FJR)

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Re: key fob question
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2012, 07:46:39 pm »
+1..I think maybe bob is a clutz, or an infiltrator from HOG!!!! :iagree:

Just to point out, I never bent stove knob my key either. But I did see how soft and weak the key was, thus how easy it would bend. So I did take precautions by using other keys instead. And yes I found them much more convenient than either the stove knob key or fob key. Of course this was just my opinion and preference.

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2012, 08:21:22 pm »
  Sorry Brian, didn't mean to get your panties in a wad. Just to clarify to others. The views I expressed were my views and not Brian's. But what I said is exactly how you have come across for five years now.

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So give it a rest being the KIPASS Crusader.  If you like the system, fine. But let the folks who do not like it, for what ever reason, be entitled to their opinion as well. For right, wrong or indifferent reasons. It is their right.



And this is exactly why I rarely discuss the <k-word> on this forum in any way.

To others reading along, Bob does not, can not and never has spoken for me. So when Bob expresses my views and opinions it does not in fact reflect my views and opinions. If someone would care to know what I think about a given subject, please feel free to read anything I have written in the public domain or contact me so that I can clarify any issues that may have been.... ‘incorrectly adjusted’.

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Re: key fob question
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2012, 08:45:36 pm »
There are exactly four words to describe that Bob and they are HI- LAR-I- OUS.

Methinks there just might be a crusader around this thread someplace.... let's all look really hard and see if we can spot him.

Not to worry Bob, my panties are just fine but thanks for thinking about them.  :-\

So Bob, are you keeping up with all those Fudger recalls OK? Does grouping them together save time at the dealer- you know, doing three or four at one time?

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Re: key fob question
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2012, 08:57:59 pm »
Sorry, So far, no recalls. No hiccups. No problems of any kind. (well I did tighten the steering stem nut a little bit). But just fluids and tires so far. Well I did have my Zumo base go bad, and my radar detector popped a fuse one time. (Oh no, electrical stuff!  :-\  ) Although I probably just put the whammy on myself.  :-[   And I'm getting close to the C14's mileage and time of ownership.  :)


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So Bob, are you keeping up with all those Fudger recalls OK? Does grouping them together save time at the dealer- you know, doing three or four at one time?

 :rotflmao:

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Re: key fob question
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2012, 10:54:36 pm »
Hmmmm...  protagonist is to crusader,  as antagonist is to..... 
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2012, 10:57:31 pm »
Hmmmm...  protagonist is to crusader,  as antagonist is to..... 
 :nananana:  :rotflmao:

Lollypop?  LOL
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2012, 11:02:18 pm »
Mashugana? Wait, is that a verb or a noun?

 :rotflmao:

Let's use it in a few sentances both ways and see which one works....

"I think Bob is mashugana!"

"I think Bob is acting mashugana!"

"I do not understand Bob's interest in my underware, he must be mashugana!"

Hmmm, I guess it works either way.   ;)

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Re: key fob question
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2012, 12:57:20 am »
Whoa, don't be hatin' folks!?  The FOB is my favorite part of my C14 experience.  Well, KiPass in general is because its pushed my '10 bike over 60,000 miles and I haven't even had to adjust the idle nor throttle cable. Although I know its due to the mad pow-ah of KiPass, I can only theorize this power is emitted from the FOB itself.  My mad-awesome FOB:



And the pow-ah of my one FOB combined with B.D.F's TWO Fobs, was just incredible.  I saw Sushi at the next table cook itself and everyone was amazed, except me. I knew where the pow-ah had come from as these were on our table and B.D.F.s wife was kind enough to take a snapshot for us:



And here is how my FOB rests at night (although it deserves better):



Be VERY careful if you doubt the FOB.  Its pow-ah almost made me sell my bike this night to a more grateful person.  I was doubting and when I took a pic the $#%^ing FOB pow-ah made me appear.....not healthy!!!



PLEASE don't bash the KiPass.  It bothers me because honestly I'm not a Kawi fan but KiPass made it right.  And for the record I've never kept a bike this long and have had many.  Again, all due to KiPass!





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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2012, 01:30:00 am »
60k on a 2010?  Wow..   :motonoises:

How far are you planning to take this bike?
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 01:49:00 am »
60k on a 2010?  Wow..   :motonoises:

How far are you planning to take this bike?


Yes sir - Hopefully the FOB will keep it going > 100,000
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Re: key fob question
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 02:17:44 am »
Wow, that was close Steve- we needed your fair, logical and honest opinion to balance against the forces of darkness and hatred. It is great that you happened along (chuckle, chuckle).

I do remember some kind of a force, perhaps a ripple in the space - time fabric when we put those three fobs together. It was a transcendental moment for all of us (in RI).

But you are right, there is no denying the wonderfulness that is KiPass. Why on a cold, lonely night one can rub his for and remember more pleasant times. One could almost say that it was like sex.... only good.

 :D

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Whoa, don't be hatin' folks!?  The FOB is my favorite part of my C14 experience.  Well, KiPass in general is because its pushed my '10 bike over 60,000 miles and I haven't even had to adjust the idle nor throttle cable. Although I know its due to the mad pow-ah of KiPass, I can only theorize this power is emitted from the FOB itself.  My mad-awesome FOB:



And the pow-ah of my one FOB combined with B.D.F's TWO Fobs, was just incredible.  I saw Sushi at the next table cook itself and everyone was amazed, except me. I knew where the pow-ah had come from as these were on our table and B.D.F.s wife was kind enough to take a snapshot for us:



And here is how my FOB rests at night (although it deserves better):



Be VERY careful if you doubt the FOB.  Its pow-ah almost made me sell my bike this night to a more grateful person.  I was doubting and when I took a pic the $#%^ing FOB pow-ah made me appear.....not healthy!!!



PLEASE don't bash the KiPass.  It bothers me because honestly I'm not a Kawi fan but KiPass made it right.  And for the record I've never kept a bike this long and have had many.  Again, all due to KiPass!
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