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Offline Steve C

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Air Filter Access?
« on: May 06, 2015, 07:40:38 pm »
Dropped the bike off with the dealer today, they're saying that replacing the Air Filter on my '09 requires removal of the tank.  $640 for brakes, oil change, and air filter.
Does that sound right?

FYI, I live in Hawaii, in a condo, our association doesn't allow us to do any work on property.
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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2015, 08:01:58 pm »
HELL NO!!!!
The air filter requires removal of the left side upper and mid  fairing and then the heat blocking foam and brackets for the relays. Two more screws and the filter is accessible.  640 sounds a bit steep.  Pads are 140$ and take a few minutes to replace. An oil change should be about 80-95$ and the air filter costs 45$ from Kawi.  Labor for the air filter would probably be 1 hour though. I would find an open parking lot and change the pads yourself. And the filter too!
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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2015, 08:04:18 pm »
It sounds ridiculously expensive. What's the shop labor rate? Have you got a good indy shop nearby besides a dealer?

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 08:11:24 pm »
If he had to pull the tank it would cost more. But he must have bad advice. Call him back and tell him the tank does not need to be removed. Brake pads are 20 minutes for front and 20 minutes for rear. Even the first time. Air Filter maybe an hour. Easiest bike ever for oil change.  Any Hawaii COG Member?
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 08:22:08 pm »
If he was pulling the tank, that's the easy part of the job. I've pulled tanks off with the plastic still on. Steve
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2015, 08:44:44 pm »
Go to a parts store, but the oil from them, by the filter from them and tell them you will be using there lot for a couple of his. Some even lend out tools.

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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2015, 09:18:55 pm »
Dropped the bike off with the dealer today, they're saying that replacing the Air Filter on my '09 requires removal of the tank.  $640 for brakes, oil change, and air filter.
Does that sound right?

FYI, I live in Hawaii, in a condo, our association doesn't allow us to do any work on property.
Steve

Run DON'T WALK to that dealer and GET YOUR BIKE AWAY SAFELY!!  No, that doesn't sound right at all!  The air filter does NOT require removal of the tank in any way shape or form.  You can pickup a copy of the service manual (or a quick Google search will find you an online copy) and you can see for yourself how easy it is.

Heck, you could wheel the C14 into your condo and do the work inside!  Find a friend with a non-socialist HOA and do it there.

In my opinion you're paying $640 for something that would cost you less than $100 to do yourself.  But my #1 concern is that if this dealer is so clueless that he doesn't even know how to change the air filter, would you trust him with anything else?
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 09:26:59 pm »
Sounds about right for Hawaii, everything costs more there...  :(

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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 09:36:17 pm »
Sounds about right for Hawaii, everything costs more there...  :(
Doesn't seem to cost too much to get lei'd in Hawaii. I usually see the girls giving them away for free.  :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 10:27:42 pm »
Sounds about right for Hawaii, everything costs more there...  :(


ain't that the truth.....



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on a lighter side, air filter, oil and filter, and all brake pads, is like a max of 4 hours.... do it in the parking lot of the dealership where you buy the filter, or even at K Mart... where everyone does oil changes... might have to wait inline for the optimal parking space over the drain grate tho... :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

just have to ask tho, don't you have any friends on the island, that you could ask or barter for a half days work in their driveway...?
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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2015, 01:22:42 am »
I did my first air filter change out only couple weeks ago and removed fairings to do so, but just after doing it read a posting here that explained even that was not necessary for if removing the top black glove box section you could most likely get at the AF that way.  Probably a tight squeeze, but having been in there see where it could be done.  Glove box electrics are "plug and play" type and couple screws, plastic snap rivets and  you are there.  Two screws to move foam heat shroud(so you can move out of the way) two screws to remove AF cover, pry out old filter with flat bladed screw driver, insert new one, put screws back in place, put glove box cover back on and good to go, might take as much as an hour or even less.  Engine oil/filter and final drive lube simple to do and might take you tops 45 minutes.  Price of parts, filters, oil, lube will vary but Advance Auto recently was selling Mobil 1 Syn. 10w40 for 7.95/quart, a good price.  Can't speak about brake work, have not done that yet, but everyone tells me it is a easy simple job for replacing pads??
Removing tank to do the AF job is way out of line, just a way to build up the labor charge seems to me.  Figure you could find not only a parking lot to do this, such as auto parts store parking lot, or even pay 50.00 to rent someone's garage for half a day or so and still save a lot of money.  If you do remove faring for the first time it is a hassle, but once you have done it, just a "pain" to do so and reinstall, but not that difficult as long as you use profanity and six pack of your favorite brew.   

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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2015, 04:28:39 am »
Thanks to everyone who replied.  Dealer lowered the price a bit, said they didn't need to take off the tank.
Still a lot of money for the work done.  And yes, everything here is more expensive.  Don't know anyone with a garage, friends all seem to be in the same position - no garages, this is Waikiki.

I think the best advice is to find a local mechanic who I can trust, someone with a small shop.  I'll be ready when the valve check comes due!

Thanks for all the great advice, you guys are great!
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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2015, 10:22:30 am »
I'd happily pay that if it meant I could live in Hawaii :great:

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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2015, 01:04:38 am »
If it synthetic oil at $15/qt *5 = $75
                  Kawisaki Oil Filter=$20

Oil change with labor is commonly $150

Air filter $45
1 hour labor $100

total for air filter and labor $145

Rear Pad $75
Front Pad $125
1 1/2 hr labor $150

Total pads and labor $250

                                 
Grand total = $545

The parts are based on Kawi list prices and labor is $100/hr which may be low for your location.

As others have stated these tasks are fairly simple and aftermarket Brake pads can help save a few dollars.  Maybe get a friend with basic mechanical skills to help.  A set of Fred Harmons video's will show you how easy or difficult the tasks are.

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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2015, 01:14:20 am »
Hey Steve, can we all come and stay at your house,,, (for a week or 3)?

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2015, 02:12:51 am »
Check with your local community colleges, adult schools. military bases. Most will rent a bay area and lease/loan tools too. Not a big job.
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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2015, 03:17:13 am »
HELL NO!!!!
The air filter requires removal of the left side upper and mid  fairing and then the heat blocking foam and brackets for the relays. Two more screws and the filter is accessible.  640 sounds a bit steep.  Pads are 140$ and take a few minutes to replace. An oil change should be about 80-95$ and the air filter costs 45$ from Kawi.  Labor for the air filter would probably be 1 hour though. I would find an open parking lot and change the pads yourself. And the filter too!
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Wait, what?? $45 for an oil filter?? I assume you meant to say air filter. An oil change for the C14 takes less than 15 minutes., and can be done sitting Indian-style. As far as the air filter, taking the mid fairing off is not necessary. Makes the job a shade easier, but not necessary.
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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2015, 05:35:18 am »
Hey Steve, can we all come and stay at your house,,, (for a week or 3)?

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2015, 06:17:45 am »
How to description of changing the air filter, with photos...
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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2015, 11:37:15 am »
BruceS,
I did day "air filter".  Also on the 08-09 models the mid fairing does need to be removed.  '10 and up it is a piece of cake with only loosening the top cover/glove box panel.
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2015, 06:16:24 am »
Yeh Matt, you're right.  :-X. And yeh, on my '12, the mid fairing stays put for an air filter change.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2015, 11:10:40 am »
Thanks to everyone who replied.  Dealer lowered the price a bit, said they didn't need to take off the tank.
Still a lot of money for the work done.  And yes, everything here is more expensive.  Don't know anyone with a garage, friends all seem to be in the same position - no garages, this is Waikiki.

I think the best advice is to find a local mechanic who I can trust, someone with a small shop.  I'll be ready when the valve check comes due!

Thanks for all the great advice, you guys are great!
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Re: Air Filter Access?
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2015, 04:02:14 pm »
Dumb thought, but why not attempt to get in contact with some of the Sailors/Soldiers on Ohahu and see if they can do it for you?
If there is a riding club on one of the bases, I bet they would have the tools etc to do it right.
You could order the parts on line, then go have them do it for you, while you watch/assist.
I know there is always a auto/hobby shop on the bases for their use,..

And they could use the $$..

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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2015, 03:42:48 am »
   Go to U-tube and watch the maintenance videos for the bike. Lots of good information to learn from and you can watch and pause while you figure it out.
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