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Title: List of suitable oils?
Post by: 1965soda on March 24, 2012, 01:03:27 am
Good evening! 

I did a couple searches and came up with a lot of results but not what I was looking for....  I am wondering if anyone has built and maintained a list of oils that are suitable for the C14?  I am waiting for my ECU to come back from Guhl and will then awaken my C14 from its winters nap.  I went to the dealer (for some ATV stuff) and looked at the Kawi oil and did a 'Fred Sanford' when I saw the price.  I have seen quite a few posts about other oils/brands but thought it may be useful to have those compiled in one spot.  Type, brand, places where it can be found, price....?

Capt Bob has done a great job with the vendor/parts section...wondering if he would consider something like this (also hoping I don't get banned for suggesting it). :-)

Thanks for weighing in if you think this would be helpful and thanks for considering it by those who can make this happen. 
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: ChipDoc on March 24, 2012, 02:47:10 am
There are SO many oil options out there...

In the end, the best oil is the kind that gets changed regularly.  Mama Kaw gives a list of ambient operating temps and viscosities which go with those temps, and if you're asking questions like this, then that would be your best starting point before you start experimenting with anything exotic.

Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: ZG on March 24, 2012, 04:28:44 am
Oil thread!

 :popcorncouple:
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: cuda on March 24, 2012, 09:40:00 am
 Since 1977 I use Mobil 1 in all my personal chit, Rotella in my commercial chit.
 
So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?
 
First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles:

Superior long-term engine protection.

Superior high-temperature stability.

Excellent low-temperature starting.

Outstanding engine performance.

Low volatility/low oil consumption

It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:

Additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers. Motorcycle oils do not require friction modifiers for fuel economy and for better clutch friction less/no friction modifier is optimum. Motorcycle oils allow the use of higher levels of antiwear additives such as ZDDP (phosphorous).

(Updated December 2007)
 
 
 
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What are the overall advantages of Mobil 1 motorcycle oils?
 
In addition to the overall benefits listed above – specifically, high-temperature stability and low volatility/low oil consumption – Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oils also offer superior anti-corrosion performance compared to conventional motor oil, which is important in many parts of the country where bikes may sit in garages for several months of the year.
 
Compared to conventional oils, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils provide superior wear and high-temperature protection, and promote engine cleanliness and lower oil consumption.
 
Once you get past these general advantages, you have to deal with each specific motorcycle oil one at a time to understand the benefits.
 
 
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Okay. Let's start with Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40. What does it offer that Mobil 1 for cars does not?
 
Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is designed for sport bikes. Most of these bikes have multi-cylinder/multi-valve engines and use a common sump, which means the engine oil lubricates the engine, transmission and wet clutch. So unlike Mobil 1 for cars, Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 motor oil has no friction modifiers, which could lead to clutch slippage.
 
The motorcycle oil also has more phosphorus/zinc for enhanced wear protection at high engine speeds and high loads.
 
In addition, Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 has a high performance dispersant/detergent technology for better high-temperature performance and engine cleanliness. Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 is also offered in a different viscosity grade than Mobil 1 for passenger cars. (Updated December 2007)
 
 
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What about Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 motor oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?
 
Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 fully synthetic motor oil is designed for air-cooled, large-displacement bikes. Because of their design, these engines can generate very high localized oil temperatures and high overall bulk-oil temperatures.
 
As you know, a typical air-cooled V-twin's rear cylinder gets a lot hotter than the front cylinder – it's a matter of airflow. When it's hot out and you're stuck in traffic, the oil temperature in your bike climbs rapidly. Above about 250°F, conventional motor oil is going to break down. Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 fully synthetic motor oil is good to above 300°F.
 
Like Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40, Mobil 1 V-Twin has high levels of phosphorus/zinc and the same high-temperature detergent technology for superior wear protection and engine cleanliness, even at elevated oil temperatures.
 
With Mobil 1 V-Twin oil, you can go the full length of the manufacturer's recommended oil change intervals with ease.
 
 
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The owner's manual says I should change the oil every 5,000 miles or once a year. I change my oil every 2,500 miles or twice a year. So why do I need that kind of protection?
 
For peace of mind and added protection. You pay a lot for a bike these days, so why risk running your engine in ordinary oil? Just like Mobil 1 synthetic oil for cars, Mobil 1 synthetic motorcycle oil helps keep your engine clean – free from varnish and deposits – and smooth running mile after mile, no matter what conditions you ride in.
 
Mobil 1 benefits engine life and performance. In fact, the lubrication capability of Mobil 1 motorcycle oil helps maintain peak horsepower and acceleration throughout the life of your engine. And with Mobil 1 you can go the full 5,000 miles between oil changes.
 
So, if you want to ride your bike long and hard and not be concerned about the oil, choose Mobil 1 motorcycle oil.
 
 
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What happened to Mobil 1 Racing 2T?
 
Mobil 1 Racing 2T was discontinued in the fall of 2007, and there is no replacement for it in the Mobil 1 motorcycle oil product lineup.
 
 
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Why did you change the name of Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 to Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40? Is the product formulation different?
 
Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 was renamed because the product is known as Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40 outside the US.  Be assured that no changes to the Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 formulation occurred during this name change. Same great product, new name.
 
 
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Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 24, 2012, 10:30:00 am
    I have no problem adding a section of oils that folks suggest for the C14. (maybe just adding it to the vendor directory) The only stipulation that I would put on it is that it is that the oil(s) follows the specifications set by Kawasaki for the Concours 14. I don't care what folks want to use in their bike. But for the purpose of a directory. Any oil that goes into the list should be available in the correct weight and specifications set by Kawasaki. If you want to suggest an oil that is available in that weight and type. Then we can do it.
   Please lets not have a debate on weights or synthetic vs. dino. Just oils that are available in the set specifications for the purpose of the directory or list. So lets see what folks come up with and we'll go from there.


The specifications for the Concours14/GTR 1400 are as follows:


Engine oil type

API   SE, SF or SG
API   SH, SJ, or SL with JASO MA

Viscosity

SAE 10W40



Good evening! 

I did a couple searches and came up with a lot of results but not what I was looking for....  I am wondering if anyone has built and maintained a list of oils that are suitable for the C14?  I am waiting for my ECU to come back from Guhl and will then awaken my C14 from its winters nap.  I went to the dealer (for some ATV stuff) and looked at the Kawi oil and did a 'Fred Sanford' when I saw the price.  I have seen quite a few posts about other oils/brands but thought it may be useful to have those compiled in one spot.  Type, brand, places where it can be found, price....?

Capt Bob has done a great job with the vendor/parts section...wondering if he would consider something like this (also hoping I don't get banned for suggesting it). :-)

Thanks for weighing in if you think this would be helpful and thanks for considering it by those who can make this happen.
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: 1965soda on March 24, 2012, 02:23:26 pm
Thanks for the feedback and for being willing to give this a try.  I will be honest....part of the reason is simply selfish.  I do not have desire to spend an afternoon driving around trying to find oil that will work and at a price that seems reasonable.  I agree with the criteria you suggested Bob and feel that is a given for this addition.  I also did not want to spark a debate....just a another resource that may prove valuable. 

Looks like we have Mobil 1 Racing 4T as a start.  Are there any national chain/box stores that offer that and approx cost/qt?

Thanks again and I look forward to seeing some of the details come in. 

Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: cuda on March 24, 2012, 04:22:12 pm
Advance / Discount $ 8.00 qt.
In my car and  diesel truck I run it for 15,000 before change.
The first motor I ran it in a 1978 300 inch  6 cy.  Ford that I bought new ,  I changed the oil every 15,000 miles at 300,000 + I pulled the head for a valve job ,  next to nothing of a  lip at the top of the cyl, my motor head friend that did not believe in synthetic's said "THAT CHIT WORKS"    He worked at the GM motor plant  454 ci in. as a inspector , dynoing  new motors.

PS This Motor Head was mister HD he had a 1/8 mile drag bike, stroked out dual spark plugs ya da ya da , what ever you could buy for a H Davidison , drag wheely bars . My XS 1100  Yamaha would eat him up. :-*
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 25, 2012, 05:41:16 pm
Yeah, I normally buy mine there as well. They have it on sale now. (As you pointed out)  $3 a bottle off the price. So $7.99 a quart is a great price. I'll be going around buying a bunch to stock up again tomorrow.


Advance / Discount $ 8.00 qt.
In my car and  diesel truck I run it for 15,000 before change.
The first motor I ran it in a 1978 300 inch  6 cy.  Ford that I bought new ,  I changed the oil every 15,000 miles at 300,000 + I pulled the head for a valve job ,  next to nothing of a  lip at the top of the cyl, my motor head friend that did not believe in synthetic's said "THAT CHIT WORKS"    He worked at the GM motor plant  454 ci in. as a inspector , dynoing  new motors.

PS This Motor Head was mister HD he had a 1/8 mile drag bike, stroked out dual spark plugs ya da ya da , what ever you could buy for a H Davidison , drag wheely bars . My XS 1100  Yamaha would eat him up. :-*
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 26, 2012, 08:25:19 pm
I went out a stocked up on a bunch of Mobil 1 4T at the sale price. I was able to grab 18 bottles today at two locations. So that was a $54 savings off the list price. With three motorcycles, it doesn't hang around too long. So I may try and grab some more.    :)
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Mad River Marc on March 26, 2012, 09:33:43 pm
Wow another Oil thread,  we haven't had one of these around here in...Oh I'd say it must be at least 15 minutes    :)) 
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: oldnslo_MO on March 26, 2012, 09:59:21 pm
Oil thread!

 :popcorncouple:
Ditto!!! :iagree:
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Chris on March 27, 2012, 11:17:30 am
Texas Tea Motor Oil, 100% synthetic. You can get it on Amazon for $38 delivered for six courts.

Reasonably priced and every bit as good as Mobile 1 and only a third of the price.

Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 27, 2012, 12:19:00 pm
Texas Tea Motor Oil, 100% synthetic. You can get it on Amazon for $38 delivered for six courts.

Reasonably priced and every bit as good as Mobile 1 and only a third of the price.



I tried to add it to the list. But I could not verify it's API ratings to make sure it meets specs Kawasaki set for the C14. And even Amazon doesn't seem to carry it or give much info on it. (I posted what Amazon listed down below) So I don't have a source for this product. If you can provide somewhere to buy this and verify that it meets specs. We'll be good to go.





(from amazon)


TEXAS TEA Motorcycle Oil 10W-40 - 100% Synthetic -6/1 Quart Bottles
by TEXAS TEA
5.0 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (2 customer reviews) | Like 1332854086 false -1 4 4 3 (4)
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Currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: ConcoursKZ on March 27, 2012, 12:44:44 pm
Is there something wrong with:Kawasaki 20w50 motorcycle Oil 20W-50 or 10w-40 like this:
http://www.kawasaki.com/kawasakinew/Accessories2/PCItemDetail.aspx?ItemNumber=K61021302&Reason=6&intCatalogID=1&intCatalogType=23&ProductTypeID=150&CategoryId=120 (http://www.kawasaki.com/kawasakinew/Accessories2/PCItemDetail.aspx?ItemNumber=K61021302&Reason=6&intCatalogID=1&intCatalogType=23&ProductTypeID=150&CategoryId=120)
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 27, 2012, 12:57:53 pm
Well, I prefer to not use EBay as a link. The problem in the past has been that  once you list it. Then it's only good for a short time. So when folks go to use the link a short time later, the link goes nowhere. So I try to avoid EBay links for the directories. I try to link to companies that (hopefully) will be around for a while. Although this is the first attempt at an oil directory. So who knows how the company likes might last.  As far as 20W50, If it's a link that includes the specified 10W40 as well, I would consider it.
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: 1965soda on March 27, 2012, 01:12:35 pm
Cap'n and all the others who have contributed.....THANKS!  This has already proven worthwhile for me as I did not want (or had time) to call or run around town trying to see who had the Mobil 1 I wanted to buy.  With the info and link...straight to the place that has it and I am on my way....

Thanks again! 
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Tom P. on March 27, 2012, 05:46:59 pm
Mobil 1 Racing 4T is branded as Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 in Canada and available at Walmart.
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 27, 2012, 07:49:41 pm
Mobil 1 Racing 4T is branded as Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 in Canada and available at Walmart.


Thanks Tom


                       I added that notation. If someone wants to come up with a link for a Canadian source,(other than Walmart) I would be glad to add it.

Bob
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: ChipDoc on March 27, 2012, 08:15:50 pm
Texas Tea Motor Oil, 100% synthetic. You can get it on Amazon for $38 delivered for six courts.


I tried to add it to the list. But I could not verify it's API ratings to make sure it meets specs Kawasaki set for the C14. And even Amazon doesn't seem to carry it or give much info on it. (I posted what Amazon listed down below) So I don't have a source for this product. If you can provide somewhere to buy this and verify that it meets specs. We'll be good to go.



I'm not all that familiar with this stuff, so these might not be what you need, but the API certifications seem to be at the bottom of this page:

http://www.texastealubes.com/ (http://www.texastealubes.com/)

And you can find it (allegedly in stock) here:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NPMAD8/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=tl0d64-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B004NPMAD8&adid=13ZZY4KK2WPPXHYVEJ40& (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004NPMAD8/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=tl0d64-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B004NPMAD8&adid=13ZZY4KK2WPPXHYVEJ40&)
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 27, 2012, 08:38:06 pm
Those API certifications are not compatible with the Concours. They look more like car oil certification. It looks like they do not list motorcycle certifications that I can see. But I see that Amazon has it back in stock again. Does anyone have a bottle of this stuff and can list the API info for verification?
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: ProfessorKonk on March 28, 2012, 01:19:21 am
The TT 10W-40 is designated as SJ JASO MA, not resource-conserving. Good to go for the C14.
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Dan_from_WA on March 28, 2012, 02:29:49 am
I have no experience with the Texas Tea motorcycle oil, but I did find the technical specs for all their products:
http://www.texastealubes.com/uploads/TEXASTEA_TechnicalData.pdf (http://www.texastealubes.com/uploads/TEXASTEA_TechnicalData.pdf)
The motorcycle oils are listed toward the end of the data sheet, product code #s 773(10W-40) and 775(20W-50).
Title: Re: List of suitable oils?
Post by: Cap'n Bob on March 28, 2012, 04:19:57 pm
Thanks. I added TT to the directory. But I didn't see a link for 10W40 at Amazon. I found one for Sears on a 6 bottle case, but the price was no where near as good. But I posted it anyway for now. If someone finds a better link in the future, pass it on and I'll add it.