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Lowering the C14?
« on: June 09, 2018, 11:25:12 am »
I just bought an 08 C14 and with my short legs, it's gotta come down a couple inches.  I'm not sure where to find/buy lowering links, any recommendations?  Old posts mention that Muzzy links might be best,but I'll be darned if I can discover where those are available?  A company T-Rex manufacturing, is out of stock and I haven't found another source.  Suggestions?
I will lower the seat in addition, but still need the links.  TIA,  Bill  (StillKickin!)

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2018, 11:42:28 am »
I used these, I think they wee a 3/4" drop. Threaded links are available that allow for a fully adjustable setting, but you lose the centerstand.

http://projektd.com/product_info.php?products_id=85

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2018, 11:50:12 am »
Thanks for the info.  I'd like to save the center stand if possible, don't know if I can have both?  Again, I've heard that using Muzzy links might accomplish that, but don't know where to come by Muzzy.  I'll save the link you sent, Thanks again!

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2018, 12:31:52 pm »
I'll assume your lowering the front to match the rear?
If not, the geometry will not be the same...

Some mfg's sell Links that allow different amounts of lowering. (have multiple holes)
Not sure how well they work, never liked the design. But can be found on Ebay/other.

I have the Muzzy's and {as I recall} they dropped the bike 1 1/2".
Work with the center stand.
   (NOTE: Muzzy is no longer in business).
I also have a lowered seat.

The T-Rex seems to be the best current design.
   Works with the center stand.
          One was installed by another member recently and he reported a 1 1/4" drop.

Another option is to buy ZX-14 stock Links.
     Their longer than your stockers, available on Ebay, inexpensive, and will lower the bike about 2 1/2++".
          I think 2 1/2++" is too much as I have clearance problems with a 1 1/2" drop....

NOTE: The only way to accurately measure the drop; is measure from frame to axle before and after the install {with the bike on the center stand}.
          Many try to measure the drop; with bike off of center stand, frame to ground.
           This is not accurate as the springs sag differently.
           Because of the different spring sag, the bike will set lower than the measured drop.

Another note: After you get it lowered you will need to change the stands to match.

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2018, 05:09:30 pm »
Thanks for the info.  If Muzzy is out of business, no wonder I can't find them....  Guess I'll go with another brand.  I doubt I'll go more than 1 1/2" drop with the links.  If I can save the use of the center stand, I want to.
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2018, 05:18:51 pm »
I modified my Center stand to work with the lowered bike.
Takes a little planning, but doable.
Not sure where you'll find a link that only lowers it 1/2".

Ride safe, Ted

Update; Did a little research; I typed "Kawasaki Concours 14 lowering Link" into Ebay and found several.

This one is supposed to give you options from 0" - 4" drop.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/06-18-Kawasaki-0-4-ZG1400-Concours-14-Adjustable-Lowering-Links-Kit/321929708245?fits=Make%3AKawasaki%7CModel%3AConcours+14&hash=item4af48182d5:g:hMwAAOSwviBZyf1z
They also sell adjustable side stands..

Not sure how knowledgeable you are about lowering links?
  The longer the Link {or the greater the distance between holes},,, the lower the bike sets.
           So, to get 1" drop you might use the 1st hole {farthest from the end}.
           Unfortunately, this Link only has 3 holes, so I don't know if 1" is an option?
    You will have to note them and ask..
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2018, 05:36:06 pm »
I have the Projectd, dropped about 1 inch. You will have trouble with the kickstand after. There are adjustable ones available or the original can be modified. The bike is much safer to ride now. I live in the city and all the stop and go just to get to the highway was hard for me. Sometimes no matter my best plan, the bike leans the opposite way.

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2018, 05:45:17 pm »
I put a set of Soupys on my C10
Cant speak to the C14 but website does say you lose the C stand but you have stock to -4" adjustability
http://soupysperformance.com/kawasaki/concours-1400/concours-1400-kickstand-side-lowering-links-combo-kit.html
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2018, 07:45:13 pm »
Call TRex, online said out of stock. I called and they had them available.
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2018, 10:51:35 pm »
"Now",, why didn't I think about that??   :-[

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2018, 10:59:14 pm »
Black Path also makes an adjustable link for the C-14. Check their website to see if theirs keeps the C stand. I have the Soupys links on my FJR  and I love them. Here is the ebay link for the BP links.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F332594106733

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2018, 12:05:19 am »
Any Link that is straight and has spacer's at the bottom will not work.

You made me think, so I just looked more closely at the various stands that have been mentioned.

The lower portion of the lowering Link's must be narrow where they attach to the rocker.
ie; See stock links;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Concours-14-ZG1400-2012-Rear-Suspension-Link-Arms-Knuckle-Tie-Rods/122956653177?epid=6014519307&hash=item1ca0c9a279:g:69gAAOSwU91ae7Uo

The only Links I see that work with the center Stand are the Project D and the T-Rex.
Both have a bent appearance.. This bend at the bottom is what gives clearance for the center Stand.
I'm pretty certain that these links give a 1 1/4" - 1 1/2" drop.

I think a Lust, and Pingle Link may also work, but the Pingle says that it fits ZX-14, and is a 3" drop, which is too much drop.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Concours-14-ZG-1400-Lowering-Kit-2007-2018-Links-Lust-Racing-Linkage/332632734982?epid=8018589066&hash=item4d7274bd06:g:qVQAAOSwJjZa4cj1

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pingel-Lowering-Link-3-quot-62028-Kawasaki-Ninja-ZX-14/231773498100?fits=Make%3AKawasaki%7CModel%3AConcours+14&epid=171235289&hash=item35f6c6eaf4:g:ncIAAOSwkh9aYSmB

There is a chance the Black Path Link's that I posted earlier will work, but looks doubtful because of the design.
"If" it will clear the center stand, it supposedly offers a 0" to 4" drop {???}

Ride safe, Ted
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2018, 10:57:37 am »
Anybody know of any instructional videos of installing the lowering links?  TIA

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2018, 11:55:13 am »
I've got a T-Rex lowering link and adjustable side stand I would sell if you can't get something else figured out.  Make an offer.  I'd have to dig them out.  May take a day or two.  I liked it lowered but I couldn't lean over enough to keep up with Ted so I had to go back to stock.
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2018, 02:22:03 pm »
I don't know of any, but I think I can tell you e'nuff to get-er-dun.
 {Others [even Not so-wild Turkey] please chip in, if I miss anything}.

Put bike on center stand.
IMPORTANT: Add a strap to center stand to ensure it is held forward.
  {With bike on center stand} Take a #1 measurement from axle to upper/rear frame {Note measurement points}, and record the number.
Take a photo of stock Links to help you remember how they fit.
Loosen bolts/nuts on stock Links.
Place a board/other under the rear wheel so that someone can raise/lower the wheel for you.
With someone holding the rear wheel up "slightly", remove stock links.
Install new links using upper bolt/nut only.
With someone holding the rear wheel up "to align the holes", install lower bolt and tighten both..
{With bike on center stand} Take a #2 measurement from axle to upper/rear frame at the same "measurement points", and record the number.
Remove strap, and pull the bike off center stand.
   Use care; Will be a greater drop than normal!

Ride it...……..  :motonoises:

NOTE's:  Subtract Measurement #2 from #1 to determine amount bike was lowered.
              Center stand and side stands will require shortening..
              I suggest lowering the front to match the rear....
              (You will probably need to add additional pre-load to forks/shock)

Ride safe, Ted

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2018, 02:27:20 pm »
Great directions Ted! It is an easy job. I had to remove rear exhaust bolt to get to one of the bolt heads or one of the nuts. There is an upper bolt and a lower bolt to remove and then install new links with old bolts. Doing it as a one man job myself, I used a floor jack with a towel on the lift point under the lowest part of the swingarm below the shaft drive.
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2018, 06:09:32 pm »
Thanks you guys for your help, doesn't seem to complicated.  Lowering the forks to match might be more work?  Looks like one has to be a contortionist to get to the triple tree.  Anyhow, I'll get there eventually.  Thanks again!   :beerchug:

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2018, 06:40:51 pm »
I didn't lie.  I said I did so I could keep up.  I didn't say it was a successful endeavor.  Ha.
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2018, 07:46:16 pm »
Removing the plastic plate below the headlights make it relatively EZ to reach the bolts on the Triple Tree's.
Might have to spread the holes a bit and then slide the tubes up to match however much you lower the rear.
NOTE: Stock bars {without risers}, limit the amount you can rise the tubes.

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2018, 05:04:47 pm »
You're a wealth of information Sir, I appreciate your sharing!  Hopefully, I'll get on it one day this week.  Thanks again!   :great:

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2018, 06:11:55 pm »
Lowered a lil in the rear is not a bad way to go on this bike.

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2018, 06:14:36 pm »
Don't tell anyone. I'm making everything up as I go along... shhhhhh

I'm currently in contact with a manufacturer that sells lowering links with multiple holes for changing the amount of drop.
   He sez the holes give you 0" to 4" of drop. {4".. OMG!!  :-\}
I'm trying to get him to tell me how much drop, each hole produces.
    I currently have 1 1/2" of drop and want a bit less as I'm dragging too much in the corners..
Wondering if one of his holes will produce 3/4" - 1" drop.

While were discussing; 
          Some say that they successfully used a ZX-14 Link to lower their bike.
          I bought/tried one and they do fit.  But they are 3/4" longer than a ZG-14 link.
            My calculations indicate that 3/4' difference, produces 3" of drop... {Waaay too much!}
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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2018, 06:44:04 pm »
drop the 14 by 4", and you will be buying fender innerds..
not to mention "U" joints..(well, drive shafts, as we still have no replacement available for a user servicable U joint)

just the complete shaft...
and that's.... 39158-0004.... costs $689.75


now, that's a shaft....

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 05:02:28 pm »
https://www.ebay.com/itm/06-18-Kawasaki-0-4-ZG1400-Concours-14-Adjustable-Lowering-Links-Kit/321929708245?fits=Make%3AKawasaki%7CModel%3AConcours+14&hash=item4af48182d5:g:hMwAAOSwviBZyf1z

Black Path Lowering Links supposedly offer from 0-4" of drop.
I contacted them and asked how much drop each of the 3 holes would offer.
I have 1 1/2" drop with my Muzzey's and want 3/4" to 1" drop.
After avoiding my question repeatedly, they finally said,,, They have NO IDEA....

If anyone tries these {or others with multiple holes}, please post the info.

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Re: Lowering the C14?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 05:32:41 pm »
A 6" to 8" inch drop will make an interesting cartoon.  >:D
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