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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2019, 11:54:40 pm »
will do guys, I hope this is an easy fix.

If it is the SS's they will make a nice mobile in my garage.
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2019, 03:26:49 pm »
IIRC when I bled the clutch and had the reservoir top off I could see a small rush of fluid push out of the MC hole, almost like a small geyser of fluid. I don't see this ATM with the top off and grabbing the lever.

I could be imagining this since its be a while.

I can see the MC piston move using a flashlight to look into that hole. I have to go get a syringe before I can start the back flush process.
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2019, 06:29:32 pm »
I flushed the master and system, back flushed the system and re-bled the clutch. It only took a few minute ride to confirm the double bump is still there.

It was worth a shot as MOB suggested.

Thanks everyone for the help and tips.

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2019, 06:36:48 pm »
Thanks MOB.  Its not to often we those break. I was just on a facebook site and read about someone there who broke theirs.
Here is an older post about a 2010 with broken springs and a person further  below saying his 2012 has the same symptom but never came back to say what he found.
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http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/c14-clutch-star-springs-failure/


Thanks Mike, truthfully I really do remember that single issue, (it was a while back...),but never heard the outcome of any others, or noticed a "pattern"; thus my thoughts about it being "uncommon"...

I guess it's time to open it up and look, it is an easy job tho.. and with the bike leaned over on the side stand, probably won't loose much, if any oil in the process..

as for F/B, well... lets say I hold zero faith in anything I read there, and actually just got banned from the site, because people found my attempts at helping them, and promoting this forum, to be annoying... :-X :-X ::) :-[ :truce:

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2019, 06:44:05 pm »
I am mechanically inclined, but in the parts diagram I don't see a nut? Are the SS's at the top on the basket and assembly for easy access?

I did not order the nut BTW. I assume it can be re-used?

Oh, there is the nut!
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2019, 07:17:49 pm »
I am looking the FSM for the clutch removal and I don't see and pictures or references to the leaf springs? Or there location? I see a reference to torque limiter springs though, but no picture.

I'll keep looking.
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2019, 07:34:31 pm »
I am looking the FSM for the clutch removal and I don't see and pictures or references to the leaf springs? Or there location? I see a reference to torque limiter springs though, but no picture.

I'll keep looking.

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2019, 08:31:17 pm »
Thanks MOB.

I'll let the shop doing the valve check do the springs for me.

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2019, 09:35:03 pm »
Bike is in for valve inspection and the clutch inspection. Tech suspects its broken star springs. I'll keep you posted.
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2019, 11:01:54 pm »
Bike is in for valve inspection and the clutch inspection. Tech suspects its broken star springs. I'll keep you posted.

make sure he does a shim map... just saying, again,

and also get the broken springs, if found, so we can see them.. and you can feel better knowing if it really was that, or just a $$ adder on the bill...
also, I like to "document" issue like this, in the archives, for future use for members to see..

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2019, 01:20:44 pm »
GPD,
My clutch started slipping a week ago. First noticed it when I goosed it above 6K RPM.  It is not getting worse but I am riding it more gently until I can replace the plates and springs early next week.  I am interested in seeing what the friction plates look like when I get them off the bike.  Will do an oil change as well to clean out any stuff that has accumulated in the oil and filter.
Wish me luck!
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2019, 01:42:55 pm »
I wonder how this ended up? gdp323 let us know man.
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2019, 02:40:18 pm »
I don't have the bike back yet. I will update when I get it back.

Your clutch is slipping, do you get the double bump at the clutch lever? Or are the plates just worn out?
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2019, 08:17:53 pm »
The clutch has been repaired, 2 broken star springs. Its still in the shop for the valve inspections.

MOB, if you want I can email the broken parts pictures to you once I get the bike?

Bike is a 2013 with just under 50K miles.

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2019, 08:32:37 pm »
Hey GPD,
Which ones are the Star Springs? 

Thanks!
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2019, 08:50:06 pm »
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2019, 09:34:51 pm »
Hey GPD,
Which ones are the Star Springs? 

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2019, 04:05:49 pm »
Guys, this information is beyond informational. I just bought a 2011 with 4k miles on it. I replaced all the brake fluid and clutch fluid. I do notice a little play in the clutch lever which I'm not sure was there before. Is this normal? Seems there is a little pull on the lever before it gets harder to pull, make sense? Seems to work fine though. Once again, great info. Also tried to order the service manual from Kawasaki, lady responded, not available anymore. How in the world can they get away with not supplying service manuals? Anyway, getting ready to pick up my bike. It was getting new Michelins put on and brake recall done.

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2019, 04:31:23 pm »
Shizzle,

I sent you a PM.
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2019, 08:07:13 pm »
I'm astounded, and actually went and looked.. i have to place a call to Kaw, and speak to them...

the manual you want is Kaw #99924-1431-05

It is not shown now on the site., and I think they have found we have been saying for 12 years now... "get the FSM"...

this makes me very upset, I will get back to you when i find out "why" this has been an issue of late.

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :??: :??: :??: :??: >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2019, 08:48:18 pm »
I'm astounded, and actually went and looked.. i have to place a call to Kaw, and speak to them...

the manual you want is Kaw #99924-1431-05

It is not shown now on the site., and I think they have found we have been saying for 12 years now... "get the FSM"...

this makes me very upset, I will get back to you when i find out "why" this has been an issue of late.

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :??: :??: :??: :??: >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Thank you for contacting Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. The Service Manual 99924-1431-05 is no longer avail for purchase and there not available online.  However, we do have the Owners Manual 99987-1667 available to view online at Kawasaki.com or if you're interested in one, I can get one ordered for you.

If you'd like a hard copy of the Owners Manual, please provide your shipping address and I can get one out.

I apologize I wasn't able to provide the assitance you were asking for regarding the Service Manual.

Also, I wanted to bring to your attention there is an outstanding recall on the unit.  I've listed the information below.  Please reach out to your local Kawasaki dealership for assistance on the repairs.

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2019, 09:42:43 pm »
I have the FSM in a searchable PDF. Looking online there are free versions available for download. I printed my FSM out at Kinko's from PDF for use in my shop. Seeing as this is not being sold anymore I do not consider it pirating to share. PM me if you would like a copy.
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2019, 10:11:32 pm »
I have the FSM in a searchable PDF. Looking online there are free versions available for download. I printed my FSM out at Kinko's from PDF for use in my shop. Seeing as this is not being sold anymore I do not consider it pirating to share. PM me if you would like a copy.

Since when is the FSM not sold anymore?!? Sure it is; I bought a legitimate hardcopy not long back. It tis copyrighted information!
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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2019, 10:43:01 pm »
all of this is correct as of this moment..
I am very concerned.
The factory has made this "currently unavailable".. I urge you all to voce an opinion on this, directly to Kaw.
Buying "copies/pdf's/ and other online, will not be allowed thru this forum, and linking to such, if not actual "printed" copies for sale, will be ditched if links are given, but I do have to say this is NOT a conducive or acceptable solution, by Kawasaki Heavy industries/ Kawasaki motorcycle corporation, to the wants and needs, of the customer database.  Again, I will be sending an inquiries to KMC about this turn of events"..

I thank you Shizzle, for bringing this up.

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Re: Mechanical question=Clutch issues
« Reply #49 on: August 18, 2019, 12:06:04 pm »
The clutch has been repaired, 2 broken star springs. Its still in the shop for the valve inspections.

MOB, if you want I can email the broken parts pictures to you once I get the bike?

Bike is a 2013 with just under 50K miles.
I had one break on me last year, bike had 20000 miles. SS was last thing I looked at, bled clutch, new slave cylinder, got an upgraded Oberon. Last went in to change SS. One of the ears broke off and got wedged in the basket. It wasn't that hard to do, toughest part was breaking that nut free! And the SS have to go in in a certain order. Fixed my problem.