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Title: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 13, 2018, 05:58:33 pm
Hello to everyone,

Great to see that a COGs forum exists on the internet. I have been riding for about 16 years and took some time off from owning a Motorcycle (was on the road too much). Was in the market to get a motorcycle and really loved the 2018 Kawasaki Concours right away. I didn't even know about the fan following for the bike. It checked all the boxes and I am finally a proud owner of a new Connie (my boss's name is Connie too, ironic)!

Anyhow, I did some research about the bike and read a lot about the mods etc. I want to keep the bike as stock as possible. However, I am interested in few mods so it lasts a long time. I am a daily rider kind of person and will take long trips once in a while. Would be great to get some advise from the folks here, would really appreciate it and thanks a lot in advance.

I) I am interested in getting a top case. Something smaller, maybe a 37-40 L. Main question is about installation and operation! I looked into the OEM case from Kawasaki. It is listed for about $270 on the website! Does it come with a brake light or is that something I have to install separately? GIVI and the Shad are available with the brake light and backrest kit. Not sure which one is cheaper! How does the brake light in the top case connect to the bike, is it permanent, or something that you can disconnect when you remove the case? I couldn't find any info on this. Also, can a bike shop install the top case mounting rack? Or I have to take it to the dealer. Little bit confused about this part! If someone can clarify or help would be great.

II) I want to install the canyon cage as well. How does it affect the handling of the bike? Is the extra weight too much or doesn't really make a difference at all? Can the dealer install it or again take it to a specific bike shop?

III) Handlebar risers. I do find the handle bars a bit low. Raising them 2 inches and moving them 1-2 inches backwards would be perfect. How easy or difficult is it to install them? Again who would be the best to install them?

Thanks a lot.

Looking forward to many miles on this beauty.

Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Harry Martin on October 13, 2018, 06:50:09 pm
Welcome to the Group!

 :welcome: :a035:
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 13, 2018, 07:12:07 pm
Thanks appreciate it.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: MtnRider on October 13, 2018, 07:48:40 pm
Welcome.

I believe AST makes the only riser with the pull-back. http://www.advancedsporttouring.com/Concours_Risers_p/c14-03.htm (http://www.advancedsporttouring.com/Concours_Risers_p/c14-03.htm)  An installation video is near the bottom of the page. There are other straight risers of various heights from other sources. Murph has a set wedges available that change the angle some and work with risers, also.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Dirtwiz on October 13, 2018, 11:50:00 pm
The 2" bar risers are the most popular for getting comfortable and eliminating the pressure on your hands due to the "sport bike lean". It seems like only about half of the people who add the wedges on the bar risers to move them back seem to like them....it just depends on many ergonomics that are different for each person. I personally am ok with the 2" risers alone and I also added the peg lowering brackets to reduce the bend of my knees....huge difference to me since I am 6'2" tall and have fairly long legs. I don't have canyon cages but I can't see any difference in handling but there is a difference when you have to remove the plastics for maintenance. Takes extra time but lots of people think its worth it and many don't put them on until they have had a tip over. My peg lowering brackets came from AST and they work great but I had problems with them since they didn't ship them with the right mounting parts so I had to mod them myself....customer service is spotty there sometimes. Glad to see you are on board with the best forum around to learn about these bikes.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: C. Moore on October 14, 2018, 09:11:06 am
Canyon cages won't have any effect on handling and you can put them on yourself. Study up on it first. There's plenty of info on this site about the CC install. I have Murph's risers, wedges and the AST pull backs on my C14. I also have Murphs pegs. They lower things just enough for my knees. I just did a ride to Colorado and didn't even think about my knees. I can't help you on the top case I don't use one. Good luck with keeping things as close to stock as possible. We are always messing with something on these bikes.  :)
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: NYbiomed on October 14, 2018, 12:09:12 pm
It’s a good idea getting the canyon cages, the first time you drop your high center of gravity 700lb beastie you’ll thank yourself and they’ll have paid for themselves. Also, they provide an excellent mounting point for highway bars- a necessity in my book on any ride over a couple hours. If your worries about the weight....I would estimate 16-18lbs, not something anyone could probably feel, you could always replace the can with a CF Delkevic and neutralize the gain....and get a few extra ponies (with the baffle out) and a pleasing growl to boot!
As far as a top case, the baseplate adapter for the Monokey (most common) is just 4 bolts attached to your luggage rack, anyone can attach it. Afterwards it’s just a turn of the key and the pressing of a button to release /attach. The Kawi version will not come with lights, but you can always add them and wire in a quick connect, not very hard if you’ve done any kind of wiring, instructions will be included....they have LED kits designed specifically for this, check out Admore:

https://www.twistedthrottle.com/admore-lighting-high-output-led-kit-for-givi-v47-top-cases-red-amber?gloc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw0oveBRAmEiwAzf6_rP3BfvfSnXGNNrPMt9UyeMmjCXL_dpFOUFYMaM9Zzu87nOAYkIHUzxoCdTkQAvD_BwE (https://www.twistedthrottle.com/admore-lighting-high-output-led-kit-for-givi-v47-top-cases-red-amber?gloc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw0oveBRAmEiwAzf6_rP3BfvfSnXGNNrPMt9UyeMmjCXL_dpFOUFYMaM9Zzu87nOAYkIHUzxoCdTkQAvD_BwE)
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Anthony on October 14, 2018, 02:40:47 pm
Hello to everyone,

Great to see that a COGs forum exists on the internet. I have been riding for about 16 years and took some time off from owning a Motorcycle (was on the road too much). Was in the market to get a motorcycle and really loved the 2018 Kawasaki Concours right away. I didn't even know about the fan following for the bike. It checked all the boxes and I am finally a proud owner of a new Connie (my boss's name is Connie too, ironic)!

Anyhow, I did some research about the bike and read a lot about the mods etc. I want to keep the bike as stock as possible. However, I am interested in few mods so it lasts a long time. I am a daily rider kind of person and will take long trips once in a while. Would be great to get some advise from the folks here, would really appreciate it and thanks a lot in advance.

I) I am interested in getting a top case. Something smaller, maybe a 37-40 L. Main question is about installation and operation! I looked into the OEM case from Kawasaki. It is listed for about $270 on the website! Does it come with a brake light or is that something I have to install separately? GIVI and the Shad are available with the brake light and backrest kit. Not sure which one is cheaper! How does the brake light in the top case connect to the bike, is it permanent, or something that you can disconnect when you remove the case? I couldn't find any info on this. Also, can a bike shop install the top case mounting rack? Or I have to take it to the dealer. Little bit confused about this part! If someone can clarify or help would be great.

II) I want to install the canyon cage as well. How does it affect the handling of the bike? Is the extra weight too much or doesn't really make a difference at all? Can the dealer install it or again take it to a specific bike shop?

III) Handlebar risers. I do find the handle bars a bit low. Raising them 2 inches and moving them 1-2 inches backwards would be perfect. How easy or difficult is it to install them? Again who would be the best to install them?

Thanks a lot.

Looking forward to many miles on this beauty.

Welcome to the forum!

There are lots of great aftermarket products for the bike. For the top case, I personally have the Kawasaki case, which is made by Givi. It works well, but I plan to go to a case straight from Givi that is a little bigger (47L). I can't speak for the brake lights because I don't have them in my case, but I know they are available. With the top case, I recommend a Phils Farkles rack with the SW-Motech kit. It replaces the flimsy plastic stock rack but still looks fairly close to stock and is much more sturdy. It keeps the top case from moving around as much and also gets rid of the need for a separate mounting plate for the case. The rack allows you to snap the Givi Monokey case directly to the rack and it is very secure. I have the rack now and I love it.

I can't speak to the Canyon Cages yet, though I do plan to get some soon. I do have the 2 inch bar risers from Murphskits. They work great and I was able to install them myself very easily. They don't require any change in the brake or clutch lines and it also comes with screw spots to attach a Ram ball mount. They work well and it definitely puts me in a more comfortable riding position for long distance rides.

Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Rico on October 14, 2018, 04:00:33 pm
Don't forget a slip on pipe and a ECU reflash.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 14, 2018, 09:29:30 pm
Welcome.

I believe AST makes the only riser with the pull-back. [url]http://www.advancedsporttouring.com/Concours_Risers_p/c14-03.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.advancedsporttouring.com/Concours_Risers_p/c14-03.htm[/url])  An installation video is near the bottom of the page. There are other straight risers of various heights from other sources. Murph has a set wedges available that change the angle some and work with risers, also.


Very helpful video at the end. I think the pullback risers would work out perfect for me! Thanks MtnRider.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 14, 2018, 10:39:47 pm
@DirtWiz Thanks for the good info. Appreciate it. I think I might just get the ATS 2" risers. The pegs feel fine. It is just the reach on the left handle bar is a bit challenging and the pull back would be perfect. Will give it a try.

@C. Moore I will keep it as stock as possible. I am having second thoughts on frame sliders. I do have complete insurance. So if I drop it I guess I have to call the insurance company. But I am not sure what is the best way. I looked at the Canyon Cage, Total Blocks, T-Rex and R&G racing ones. Not sure which one to go. If I get Total Blocks, do I need to get rear bag protectors too?

@NYbiomed Yeah, I am thinking about the frame sliders. Few options, but not sure which provides the best protection. I am leaning towards Top Blocks and considering the Canyon Cage from MCE. Do I need front and rear with MCE? What about the top block? Do I need to install rear saddle protectors with top block?

@Anthony Thanks for the insight on the top case. that helps a lot. On the Kawasaki site, there is a different base plate for the top case
https://www.kawasaki.com/accessories/item/kqr-47-liter-top-case-base-plate/999940620 (https://www.kawasaki.com/accessories/item/kqr-47-liter-top-case-base-plate/999940620)
is this still not good? So better to get a different rack/base plate?

@Rico Not sure what is the ECU flash. I will look into it though.

Thanks for all the wonderful insight. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: NYbiomed on October 14, 2018, 10:41:52 pm
”I recommend a Phils Farkles rack with the SW-Motech kit. It replaces the flimsy plastic stock rack but still looks fairly close to stock and is much more sturdy”

This ^^^

True, I run the same, but is a heavier investment than the Monokey baseplate that come with the Kawi top case and the SW-Motech kit can be hard to find/acquire...unless TT has been more diligent about keeping them in stock?

Jackcarls0n

You won’t get the protection for the panniers without the rear cages, the good news is that they go on/off quickly. Running the bike without the panniers and with the cages looks super goofy. This is not a problem for me tho, as I literally never ride without my sidecases. Murphy’s law says without the rear cages you will scrub a pannier, if you can’t live with that, get the rears...

Oh yeah, and get SISF or Ivan’s flash for sure, worth it. Unfortunately, the reality is that one almost needs to spend around $2k to get it juuuust right....and we haven’t even addressed the suspension or a seat, or cruise control.

 :-\
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Road Runner on October 14, 2018, 11:59:13 pm
+1 on the canyon cages ... and soon IMO. I also have the canyon cages (of whatever they're called there; I forget) on the rear to protect the saddle bags, which work great, but they look rather odd when bags are removed.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Ken on October 15, 2018, 01:18:20 am
Along with all the rest mentioned, look at the STS, which cancels the turn signals and the switch back lights. Plug and play changes turn signal lights to LED, rear turn signal lights to running lights and front to white running lights. Blinks orange. Worth looking into. Two of the best addons I have put on the bike.   
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Anthony on October 15, 2018, 02:16:36 am
@DirtWiz Thanks for the good info. Appreciate it. I think I might just get the ATS 2" risers. The pegs feel fine. It is just the reach on the left handle bar is a bit challenging and the pull back would be perfect. Will give it a try.

@C. Moore I will keep it as stock as possible. I am having second thoughts on frame sliders. I do have complete insurance. So if I drop it I guess I have to call the insurance company. But I am not sure what is the best way. I looked at the Canyon Cage, Total Blocks, T-Rex and R&G racing ones. Not sure which one to go. If I get Total Blocks, do I need to get rear bag protectors too?

@NYbiomed Yeah, I am thinking about the frame sliders. Few options, but not sure which provides the best protection. I am leaning towards Top Blocks and considering the Canyon Cage from MCE. Do I need front and rear with MCE? What about the top block? Do I need to install rear saddle protectors with top block?

@Anthony Thanks for the insight on the top case. that helps a lot. On the Kawasaki site, there is a different base plate for the top case
https://www.kawasaki.com/accessories/item/kqr-47-liter-top-case-base-plate/999940620 (https://www.kawasaki.com/accessories/item/kqr-47-liter-top-case-base-plate/999940620)
is this still not good? So better to get a different rack/base plate?

@Rico Not sure what is the ECU flash. I will look into it though.

Thanks for all the wonderful insight. Thanks a lot.

I don't know anything about that mounting plate. It still is made with ABS plastic though so it will still have a flex in it. The Philsfarkles rack is made of metal and much more sturdy. I know the older Kawasaki top cases are a Monolock cases, which do not work with the SW Motech kit on the Phils rack. This is why I would go through Givi USA to get a Monokey case. But that's me personally.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: FTB530 on October 15, 2018, 02:20:18 am
Just bought a Givi v56 maxia from Motostorm and it was the best price I could find! $315 shipped to me!
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: C. Moore on October 15, 2018, 10:14:15 am
@DirtWiz Thanks for the good info. Appreciate it. I think I might just get the ATS 2" risers. The pegs feel fine. It is just the reach on the left handle bar is a bit challenging and the pull back would be perfect. Will give it a try.

@C. Moore I will keep it as stock as possible. I am having second thoughts on frame sliders. I do have complete insurance. So if I drop it I guess I have to call the insurance company. But I am not sure what is the best way. I looked at the Canyon Cage, Total Blocks, T-Rex and R&G racing ones. Not sure which one to go. If I get Total Blocks, do I need to get rear bag protectors too?

@NYbiomed Yeah, I am thinking about the frame sliders. Few options, but not sure which provides the best protection. I am leaning towards Top Blocks and considering the Canyon Cage from MCE. Do I need front and rear with MCE? What about the top block? Do I need to install rear saddle protectors with top block?

@Anthony Thanks for the insight on the top case. that helps a lot. On the Kawasaki site, there is a different base plate for the top case
https://www.kawasaki.com/accessories/item/kqr-47-liter-top-case-base-plate/999940620 (https://www.kawasaki.com/accessories/item/kqr-47-liter-top-case-base-plate/999940620)
is this still not good? So better to get a different rack/base plate?

@Rico Not sure what is the ECU flash. I will look into it though.

Thanks for all the wonderful insight. Thanks a lot.

I don't know anything about the Total Blocks except they are expensive. For the money most go with the canyon cages. The install is pretty straight forward. You do need to watch the motor mounts and be careful you don't strip or otherwise screw those up. Most damage to fairings is done with low speed drops and you can count on that happening at some point.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Jeff on October 15, 2018, 10:38:04 am
Welcome! I am not sure if there has been any improvements lately with the locking devices on the newer saddlebags, but if not the cheapest and most important modification you need to do is pin your bags.  There has been enough people that have lost their bags while riding under normal conditions.  A very expensive thing to fix or replace.  You can do a search to see how easy it is to do, but basically you can drill a 1/4" hole through the dog ears on the bottom of you bags and through the nob they go over.  Then install a detent pin to secure the bags.  Something I regret not doing sooner.
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Post by: Shawn on October 15, 2018, 10:59:47 am
Welcome to the COG Forum.  You'll get all the farkling advice you could ever need from the fine folks of COG.  You should consider coming out to some events...where are you in the SE?
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: stallhorn on October 15, 2018, 12:11:30 pm
welcome to the forum!

I am a newbie as well and considering top block or canyon cages. I saw a bike with canyon cages, not too impressed with the looks. I saw a top block installed a long time ago (as a kawi factory option may be), looks a lot better. But at twice as much, and maybe a little less protection, and maybe a little more difficulty to install - I am still considering going with Top Block. I hear it is not as elegant as it used to be, but I am not sure about the canyon cages. They just don't look all that great on the slick Concours!

i haven't done the pins, but I think that is a no brainer. The rear bag protectors - I could work with those..
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 17, 2018, 10:17:02 pm
Welcome to the COG Forum.  You'll get all the farkling advice you could ever need from the fine folks of COG.  You should consider coming out to some events...where are you in the SE?

I am in the Tampa bay/Orlando area. Thanks. I'll be looking to some join some events.

Thanks
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 17, 2018, 10:51:13 pm
Thank you everyone for all the information. I have been riding more often and I am finding the seating and handle bar  more comfortable everyday. I will get grip puppies and maybe helibar risers if needed.

For the frame sliders, I think I will pass on the rear ones for now. But I think canyon cages would better fit the requirements. Don't wanna make a hole in the fairing. Rest will let the insurance take care of if needed.

Main is the storage. The Kawi box on the kawi site looks like the givi V47. I'd get the one on Kawi site, but as mentioned here, the case is monolock and not monokey. So I'll order the givi topcase seprately and the Phil's rack woth SW monotech option. Will add some lights to the topcase or build my own system ( I do have electrical background).

Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: cuda on October 17, 2018, 10:52:30 pm
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Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 17, 2018, 11:01:44 pm
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Post by: strum on October 18, 2018, 11:51:05 am
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Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 18, 2018, 09:23:15 pm
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Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: antibus on October 18, 2018, 11:59:35 pm
Welcome to the forum! I tipped my bike over on a long trip, however I had the canyon cages installed and the only thing damaged was my pride which was repaired as soon as I hit some winding roads. I use the SHAD 50L top box and it works great. I replaced the top rack with a metal one as the top box bounces and flexes a lot on the stock top rack.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: NYbiomed on October 19, 2018, 12:19:28 am
Welcome to the forum! I tipped my bike over on a long trip, however I had the canyon cages installed and the only thing damaged was my pride which was repaired as soon as I hit some winding roads. I use the SHAD 50L top box and it works great. I replaced the top rack with a metal one as the top box bounces and flexes a lot on the stock top rack.

Yes, that ugly poly adapter plate is an eyesore when your not riding with the top case. SW-Motech has a metal bracket/male locking point that takes a good 80% of the flex out of the equation. Twisted Throttle was usually OOS on this, I went looking for a link last week and couldn’t find it on the website, but I believe Phil got a bunch and will sell them with his beautiful rack....not exactly cheap, but worth his asking price IMO. Much, much better solution.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Road Runner on October 19, 2018, 11:26:08 pm
Welcome to the forum! I tipped my bike over on a long trip, however I had the canyon cages installed and the only thing damaged was my pride which was repaired as soon as I hit some winding roads. I use the SHAD 50L top box and it works great. I replaced the top rack with a metal one as the top box bounces and flexes a lot on the stock top rack.

I too have the SHAD topcase; believe the 48L one and canyon cages. Both very useful/practical accessories IMO.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Howiehere on October 20, 2018, 09:13:11 am
I have 2” risers on mine, and wouldn’t want the bars any lower. It came with them, not sure how difficult to install. I don’t feel the need for a wedge to adjust further.

Installed canyon cages myself. It was a time-intensive process, but very doable. I’d highly recommend them. They look great on my ‘09, and have already saved me great expense from a low speed drop. I didn’t notice any handling effects before and after from the minimal weight added.

Welcome to the Connie family! I’m a newbie here myself. Many great people with great experience and insight.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: cuda on October 20, 2018, 01:45:43 pm
To each their own, my bars are lower than stock ;D

It is a Sport bike RIGHT :nananana:
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 23, 2018, 02:40:43 am
Thanks again to everyone for the wonderful input. Enjoying reading all the suggestions and advise. I am leaning towards the canyon cage too. A highway peg would be a great add on.

Risers, I am not sure yet. I checked the brake and clutch line attachment on my bike and it looks completely different compared to the risers installation  videos and pictures. Will upload the pics soon.

I think Phil's rack with the monokey system built in is the best option. Removes the idea of attaching another base plate and I can get a monokey case from Givi.

Might add additional lights for rear brake lights and turn signal on the saddle bags. Might design a bracket and a wiring system for it. That would be an interesting project. Not sure if someone has done that before. So running lights on saddle bags that work as turn signal and running lights for top case that would work as brake light too.

Not too keen on modifying the bike too much. So not adding cruise control system. I guess an O-ring with a throttle lock system would be fine for me.

Thank you all.

Suggestions for lighting system is welcomed.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: NYbiomed on October 24, 2018, 06:37:33 am
I’m running Vololights license plate bracket in tandem with the reflective decals for the panniers, good combo IMO.

https://www.amazon.com/Vololights-Motorcycle-Downshifting-Installation-Waterproof/dp/B00MEQ25X8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1540366507&sr=8-1&keywords=Vololights (https://www.amazon.com/Vololights-Motorcycle-Downshifting-Installation-Waterproof/dp/B00MEQ25X8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1540366507&sr=8-1&keywords=Vololights)

https://www.amazon.com/Kawasaki-GTR1400-Reflective-Rear-Decals/dp/B00IKSW71O/ref=pd_sim_263_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00IKSW71O&pd_rd_r=90c8be9d-d75f-11e8-bcf9-d56d64501878&pd_rd_w=l1lFP&pd_rd_wg=n53Zf&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=Q9HHEB0FDCBX16XSFCJR&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=Q9HHEB0FDCBX16XSFCJR (https://www.amazon.com/Kawasaki-GTR1400-Reflective-Rear-Decals/dp/B00IKSW71O/ref=pd_sim_263_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00IKSW71O&pd_rd_r=90c8be9d-d75f-11e8-bcf9-d56d64501878&pd_rd_w=l1lFP&pd_rd_wg=n53Zf&pf_rd_i=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_p=18bb0b78-4200-49b9-ac91-f141d61a1780&pf_rd_r=Q9HHEB0FDCBX16XSFCJR&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=Q9HHEB0FDCBX16XSFCJR)
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: antibus on October 27, 2018, 03:10:16 am
I am running Hyper Lites for brake lites and turn signals. If you these lites to the saddle bags please keep us informed. I did not know how to do that without limiting the ease of removing the bags.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: GrantE on October 27, 2018, 10:27:07 am
I am running Hyper Lites for brake lites and turn signals. If you these lites to the saddle bags please keep us informed. I did not know how to do that without limiting the ease of removing the bags.

I have thought about adding lighting to my luggage without making removal and installation of the bag difficult with something like these https://thmotorsports.com/67237-painless-wiring-jamb-tac-contact-kit-2-wire-kit?gclid=CjwKCAjwmdDeBRA8EiwAXlarFrCe0XgFtZ07uiaJnj4DjJ5vDAKAGfT4D0Pi3SbRIM5zbUUmtMy99RoCiQEQAvD_BwE.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: MtnRider on October 27, 2018, 11:52:26 am
Not quite as elagant as Grant's but I got these and am happy with them. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V67W77/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V67W77/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: lather on October 27, 2018, 12:50:55 pm
Not quite as elagant as Grant's but I got these and am happy with them. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V67W77/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074V67W77/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
I just ordered some connectors like those to make taking the turn signals off and back on my track bike easier. Looks like there is a specific crimping tool used for those pins. Do you know what it is called?
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: MtnRider on October 27, 2018, 03:07:39 pm
Amazon has this which looks like it does the roll crimp but states a max size of 18 ga. https://www.amazon.com/Compression-Ratcheting-Insulated-0-1-1-0mm2-MG/dp/B07FCX1M6Q/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1540655811&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=crimping+tool&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Compression-Ratcheting-Insulated-0-1-1-0mm2-MG/dp/B07FCX1M6Q/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?s=power-hand-tools&ie=UTF8&qid=1540655811&sr=1-2-spons&keywords=crimping+tool&psc=1)

I used a standard crimper on mine. It doesn't do the nice roll crimp but works fine for the conductor crimp. It doesn't do so good on the insulation crimp but I dressed it with a needle nose to get it small enough to fit in the plastic part.  And you could solder the conductor crimp for added security.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: MtnRider on October 28, 2018, 09:13:47 pm
Just found what appears to be a better set: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195VXA10/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3E5YDYCEXB5C3&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195VXA10/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3E5YDYCEXB5C3&psc=1)
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Lee Ving on October 30, 2018, 12:24:13 am
I was in the same boat with a top case. Factory unit was huge and expensive. I found a Shad SH33 on Ebay  for like $100. The mount was like $60 more and I am delighted with it. It also serves as a backrest for passenger and doesn't look too stupid.
As I have gotten to know the bike I have found it to be pretty comfortable. At first it was a torture rack, and I couldn't believe how anyone could ride one of these things over distance. It has gotten much better over time and  I like the bike more the longer I have it. It weighs 150# too much, but I love it anyway.
You might try riding it for awhile to see if you find you need the mods. For me, the must have are Ivans ECU flash and suspension work. The flash lets the engine run quite a bit cooler and with less vibration which I have to think helps longevity. Stock suspension is OK for traction but brutal for comfort.
A note about the motor. I break everything a la the Motoman method and I found that my motor continued to shed metal fines through its first several oil changes, more so than most other bikes I have had. I changed at 20, 200. 600, 1000, 1800, and there was still some fine glitter at 1800. Presently, the oil stays gold and clear for 2000+ miles and there is very little metal in it.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on October 30, 2018, 10:20:34 pm
Welcome to the forum! I tipped my bike over on a long trip, however I had the canyon cages installed and the only thing damaged was my pride which was repaired as soon as I hit some winding roads. I use the SHAD 50L top box and it works great. I replaced the top rack with a metal one as the top box bounces and flexes a lot on the stock top rack.

Canyon cages do seem to provide good protection. How easy/difficult is it to service the bike with them on? When you tipped it over did the rear protectors touch the ground too? Or the front ones were enough.

I am interested in the shad too. But I am confused. Do I need the Shad bracket[K0GT18ST] installed on top of the factory rack and then the base plate that comes with the topcase or just the baseplate and topcase? My only reason to go with GIVI will because of Phil’s Rack, no need for any other base plate or rack.
I don’t mind the Shad plate being there 24/7.

I am running Hyper Lites for brake lites and turn signals. If you these lites to the saddle bags please keep us informed. I did not know how to do that without limiting the ease of removing the bags.

My plan is to attach turn indicator lights and brake/running lights on each saddle bag. I will use a quick disconnect method for the wiring to remove the bags [I don’t plan to remove the bags though]. Will keep advised when I do the wiring. Will post the pictures.

I was in the same boat with a top case. Factory unit was huge and expensive. I found a Shad SH33 on Ebay  for like $100. The mount was like $60 more and I am delighted with it. It also serves as a backrest for passenger and doesn't look too stupid.

Nice idea. The sixty dollar mount, is that the metal mount? Or the plastic baseplate?

Just found what appears to be a better set: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195VXA10/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3E5YDYCEXB5C3&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0195VXA10/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3E5YDYCEXB5C3&psc=1)

Thanks MtnRider for the suggestion, i like the connector suggestion you posted. I am thinking to get those and the wire stripper set as you suggested and a Dremel Butane Soldering Iron (fir portability, plus it works as a heat blower for heat shrinks].

For the frame sliders. They are three options:

Top blocks, R&G racing and MCE’s canyon cage. Do you need just the cages or swimg arm and front fork protection too? Couldn’t really find info about front fork or swing arm protectors. Looking at Top Blocks, it seems one doesn’t need saddle bag protectors. So that offsets the cost a bit compared to the Canyon Cages. Next point is about servicing. How difficult is it to service the bikes with top blocks vs canyon cages installed?
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Lee Ving on October 31, 2018, 02:59:53 pm
Regarding the mount plate for Shad, IIRC it only comes one way as a kit to mount with plastic and metal components.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: antibus on November 01, 2018, 05:47:53 am
jackcarls0n,

The Canyon Cages can make removing the middle and bottom faring a challenge, however every time I am doing this it is for a valve inspection and the Canyon Cages need to come off anyway. You can cut a notch on the mounting tabs of the middle faring that make removal with the Canyon Cages possible. When I tipped my bike over both the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground. Actually I have tipped it over once and a friend also did once. Both times the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground preventing damage to the expensive plastics.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Road Runner on November 01, 2018, 08:55:40 pm
jackcarls0n,

The Canyon Cages can make removing the middle and bottom faring a challenge, however every time I am doing this it is for a valve inspection and the Canyon Cages need to come off anyway. You can cut a notch on the mounting tabs of the middle faring that make removal with the Canyon Cages possible. When I tipped my bike over both the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground. Actually I have tipped it over once and a friend also did once. Both times the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground preventing damage to the expensive plastics.
+1. I also cut the notch on each of my fairings. Sight unseen and it works well. To me, this is easier than removing the canyon cages to perform maintenance. The cages have not been in the way of any work I've had to perform, including valve inspection/adjustment.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: MAN OF BLUES on November 01, 2018, 09:40:42 pm
Regarding the mount plate for Shad, IIRC it only comes one way as a kit to mount with plastic and metal components.

I'm still using the same Shad (one of the first Murph's sold) I bought for my C10, and mounted to my C14 in '07...
it came with a 2 piece base, a metal plate with mounting holes, and a top covering plate that had the bag attachment hooks/retainer.

mine was a 42L, not sure what they make now as far as mounting plates go, but I never had an issue with mine... great product, still going strong after 11 years...
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: jackcarls0n on November 03, 2018, 02:20:40 am
Regarding the mount plate for Shad, IIRC it only comes one way as a kit to mount with plastic and metal components.

I'm still using the same Shad (one of the first Murph's sold) I bought for my C10, and mounted to my C14 in '07...
it came with a 2 piece base, a metal plate with mounting holes, and a top covering plate that had the bag attachment hooks/retainer.

mine was a 42L, not sure what they make now as far as mounting plates go, but I never had an issue with mine... great product, still going strong after 11 years...


Thank you. Appreciate the info. I am leaning towards Shad because off the overall package.

jackcarls0n,

The Canyon Cages can make removing the middle and bottom faring a challenge, however every time I am doing this it is for a valve inspection and the Canyon Cages need to come off anyway. You can cut a notch on the mounting tabs of the middle faring that make removal with the Canyon Cages possible. When I tipped my bike over both the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground. Actually I have tipped it over once and a friend also did once. Both times the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground preventing damage to the expensive plastics.

Thanks for the info. That helps a lot.

jackcarls0n,

The Canyon Cages can make removing the middle and bottom faring a challenge, however every time I am doing this it is for a valve inspection and the Canyon Cages need to come off anyway. You can cut a notch on the mounting tabs of the middle faring that make removal with the Canyon Cages possible. When I tipped my bike over both the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground. Actually I have tipped it over once and a friend also did once. Both times the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground preventing damage to the expensive plastics.
+1. I also cut the notch on each of my fairings. Sight unseen and it works well. To me, this is easier than removing the canyon cages to perform maintenance. The cages have not been in the way of any work I've had to perform, including valve inspection/adjustment.
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: antibus on November 04, 2018, 11:42:49 pm
jackcarls0n,

The Canyon Cages can make removing the middle and bottom faring a challenge, however every time I am doing this it is for a valve inspection and the Canyon Cages need to come off anyway. You can cut a notch on the mounting tabs of the middle faring that make removal with the Canyon Cages possible. When I tipped my bike over both the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground. Actually I have tipped it over once and a friend also did once. Both times the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground preventing damage to the expensive plastics.
+1. I also cut the notch on each of my fairings. Sight unseen and it works well. To me, this is easier than removing the canyon cages to perform maintenance. The cages have not been in the way of any work I've had to perform, including valve inspection/adjustment.

Road Runner,

How do you do the valve inspection without removing the front canyon cages? Am I doing it wrong?
Title: Re: New Concours owner seeking advise.
Post by: Road Runner on November 05, 2018, 12:06:36 am
jackcarls0n,

The Canyon Cages can make removing the middle and bottom faring a challenge, however every time I am doing this it is for a valve inspection and the Canyon Cages need to come off anyway. You can cut a notch on the mounting tabs of the middle faring that make removal with the Canyon Cages possible. When I tipped my bike over both the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground. Actually I have tipped it over once and a friend also did once. Both times the front and rear Canyon Cages were in contact with the ground preventing damage to the expensive plastics.
+1. I also cut the notch on each of my fairings. Sight unseen and it works well. To me, this is easier than removing the canyon cages to perform maintenance. The cages have not been in the way of any work I've had to perform, including valve inspection/adjustment.

Road Runner,

How do you do the valve inspection without removing the front canyon cages? Am I doing it wrong?

Good question. I've performed several valve inspections & adjustments since installing the canyon cages. If I recall correctly there is bracket or bracket behind the right-size canyon cage bar. I loosened the canyon cage bold slightly and moved it out of the way, but did not remove them. Some like all of the wrenching and don't mind taking off whatever and whenever, but (to me) there is already some much that comes off to perform this service that "less is more" to me. Outside of this, neither the left or right canyon cage is in the way to remove anything else, including the valve cover, etc. It's simply not in the same area of work where the actual valve inspections and adjustments are performed.