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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2018, 03:26:45 pm »
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The one thing that took some getting used to is what I feel to be a huge lack of engine braking compared to what it had before the flash. I now run 1 or 2 gears lower in the big hills if I want to stay off the brakes.
Could you elaborate a bit more on the subject of engine braking?
Do you feel less engine breaking in gear higher than 2nd-3rd or ...?
I want to get better mileage but I hate losing engine braking. I use engine braking  extensively in both my bike and my car.
That is why I haven't committed to SISF ECU reprogramming.


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If you really like the engine braking you would love SISF Mountain Rider flash, the stock Kawasaki tune doesn't provide much in the way of engine braking.
If you look back on the post you are asking about you should note the poster is comparing Steve's Mountain Rider to Steve's Area P not the stock Kawasaki flash.
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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2018, 06:25:27 pm »
 
"The one thing that took some getting used to is what I feel to be a huge lack of engine braking compared to what it had before the flash. I now run 1 or 2 gears lower in the big hills if I want to stay off the brakes."

I don't understand your perception of "Lack of engine braking". I have a full Area P system and the MR flash. Before moving to Germany I typically spent 2 or 3 days every week riding the Sierra foothills with a group of guys all on S1000's and Aprilla's. I also spent numerous days at both Thunderhill and Sears Point doing track days. The engine braking imho is excellent. The C14 with the Shoodaben Arear P Mountain Runner flash is the smoothest and most controllable bike in this power range I've ever ridden. It does what I want when I want and does it with finesse. Oh, those guys on the S1000's never could leave me behind no matter how hard they tried.


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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2018, 07:31:08 pm »
Original. It was done last summer.
ETA: his site shows mountain runner is for stock headpipe and slip-on, not a full exhaust.
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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2018, 07:39:56 pm »
I hope nobody takes my comments as a slight on Steve’s tune. I knew full-well what I was getting, and I’m very happy with it. I forgot to mention that the flies are out on mine. The flash recommends running them for low end, but I personally don’t feel I need them since I don’t have a comparison to judge by. Looking at Steve’s description, it mentions choosing the decel quality for the AP flash. Maybe I’ll check with him on that.

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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2018, 11:03:15 pm »
I'm sure this question has been asked and answered many times on this site but some of the threads I've located have been older ones and I wanted to get the most updated suggestions. I have a 2013 14 and have done about all of the external mods I'm going to (Baldwin seat, Heli bars, highway pegs, etc.) and now I want to get into the performance side. Several years ago when I first got my bike and read a lot about the Guhl reflashing (is that still the company to go with) and recently have seen others online advertising the same upgrade. So, here goes my question, what recommendations do y'all make for a doing the reflash and, what recommendations do you suggest for an exhaust system to get me the most horses. My intent of course is to install the exhaust system first so I can get the reflash to match my exhaust. Thanks in advance for your patience with me and your input!!

Well, I see I'm too late to this party.  I bought my '09 with an AreaP full system and PC-V installed.  A slip-on of any kind is a lot of money for so little HP, but they are easy.  I would not bother with a slip-on.  My bike was also tuned on a DynoJet 250 with a fairly high HP reading.  Having never ridden a stock C14, I never knew I had "lost" low/midrange torque.  I certainly never wanted for more.  Adding Steve's Mountain Runner flash for the AreaP was eye opening.  Had it been like this from the beginning, I'd have been afraid of it.  Ivan has a long history with carb kits, so he should have the right experience.  But, I have known Steve for several years and he is regularly coming up with surprising mods for the Concours bikes that work. 

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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2018, 09:44:50 pm »
I hope nobody takes my comments as a slight on Steve’s tune. I knew full-well what I was getting, and I’m very happy with it. I forgot to mention that the flies are out on mine. The flash recommends running them for low end, but I personally don’t feel I need them since I don’t have a comparison to judge by. Looking at Steve’s description, it mentions choosing the decel quality for the AP flash. Maybe I’ll check with him on that.

without the secondaries you're not going to get any added deceleration that the others are talking about. thanks, steve

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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2018, 11:16:51 pm »
I hope nobody takes my comments as a slight on Steve’s tune. I knew full-well what I was getting, and I’m very happy with it. I forgot to mention that the flies are out on mine. The flash recommends running them for low end, but I personally don’t feel I need them since I don’t have a comparison to judge by. Looking at Steve’s description, it mentions choosing the decel quality for the AP flash. Maybe I’ll check with him on that.

without the secondaries you're not going to get any added deceleration that the others are talking about. thanks, steve

funny how those "i forgot to say..." things really come into play downstream, eh Steve...?
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I have to dig up the website I had recently, that actually HAD replacement Flies, I thought it was on the website from the clutch slave cylinder overseas, but now I can't find it... dammit.... I actually bookmarked it for future (current) reference, and can't find it... they were cheap also, dammit.
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Re: Performance updgrade
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2018, 11:33:49 pm »


funny how those "i forgot to say..." things really come into play downstream, eh Steve...?
 :-X :truce: :rotflmao:



   Honestly, Rich, it happens all the time. I'll see someone make a comment, or take a comment as meaning my most current flash, and yet I know it's a 2.5 year old flash that has been discontinued and replaced, stuff like that. Actually earlier in this thread there was something mentioned that might make someone think that my flash doesn't have great low rpm manners... but that was one of the original things I targeted over 3 years ago. So yeah, it can be tough when there's "more to the story" and the reader isn't privy to it. Steve
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