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Title: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Vader on June 09, 2017, 01:01:10 pm
I bought a used 2011 C14 in 2014 with 7000 miles, and while trying it out, I noticed the rear brake pedal engaged at different levels while riding. After riding more, I figured out what makes it react differently. Press the back brake first and it goes down about an inch. Pull the front brake first, then press the rear and it goes down 1/4 inch. This is very disconcerting while riding the mountains here in East Tennessee "quickly".
 
The brakes need bleeding, right? So I tried that with no effect. I decided to let the professionals do it and change all the fluid since it was 6 years old. The dealer informed me that my brakes are not linked, which I quickly refuted and proved that they were. But worse than that, the rear brake still engages differently depending on which brake you apply first. And the rear brake will pump up after 3 presses while riding.

My question is, does the Concours have a bleed valve on the ABS Accumulator that should be bled? If so, where is it? I feel this Kawasaki dealer is not familiar with the Concours system and has not read his service manual. I've inquired about the problem and have found no one else that experiences this.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: jonathan on June 09, 2017, 01:46:41 pm
Your bike does have linked brakes and the different engagement points depending on which brake is activated first is normal.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on June 09, 2017, 10:55:28 pm
What Jon said - and there is no bleeder on the ABS unit.

Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Vader on June 10, 2017, 11:45:16 pm
Does that mean that you guys experience that difference and it doesn't seem uncomfortable when riding aggressively? Should I just accept it and forget about it?
I recently rode a BMW K1600 with ABS for 10 days in California and it did not do that. I've been riding my Concours for 3 years and 21,000 miles and I have gotten used to it somewhat, but I still don't like the brake difference. But I do love the bike!
I'm headin to Maine for a 12 day blast and hoped I could get that issue straightened out before I go.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on June 11, 2017, 12:34:57 am
Going to a gen 2 with linked brakes from a gen 1 I just couldn't get to like the system so I 'delinked' it so it would function as I was accustomed to.  I have since sold the gen 2 and gone back to a gen 1 for other reasons. 


Delinking the brakes will not change the way the pedal behaves, which wasn't a concern for me.  My issue was the way the linked brakes made the bike behave when cornering.


Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Daytona_Mike on June 11, 2017, 11:16:18 pm
I never use the back brake on a street bike anyway---unless  maybe I am below 3   miles an hour.  You guys use the back brake for normal riding?   :o
Dirt bike-- thats different.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on June 12, 2017, 12:40:17 am
I use the rear brake at low speed like you and at high(er) speed when in a corner/bend and needing to drop some speed without the bike wanting to go off line by use of the front brake.  That's is/was the major complaint/trouble with the linked system until Kaw changed the ABS ECU linked calibration a coupla years back to minimise or eliminate this characteristic.  I haven't ridden a recalibrated model to find out but that's been reliably reported elsewhere.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Fais on June 12, 2017, 05:17:46 am
East TN rider here - we have lunch in Fontana more than once a week. Dragon - Moonshiner - Dragon and back to the shop.

Had an '09 and now a '14 and I love the linked brakes. I ride hard - and don't use the rear very often going to lunch. But after? If I'm feeling lazy (full stomach lol) I only use the rear brake. Without the linked I wouldn't be able to do that safely and quickly.

I have that stretch of road memorized so maybe that helps a lot - and the Connie is quick but not (nearly) as quick as other bikes I ride. She's made for comfort and with the linked even more so. My right hand sometimes gets tired of hundreds of curves slowing 675lbs plus me. She's a dream bike and the linked works for me.

My $0.02   - I say you'll get used to it and might start to like it. Hey, let's ride sometime  :motonoises: I live in downtown Knoxville - Old North to be exact - and the shop is in Maryville.

 :beerchug:
 
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: alingo2001 on June 14, 2017, 09:36:15 am
I was just out in Maggie Valley this weekend for a rally. Rode the Dragon on the way up on Wednesday. I was on my Victory Magnum then. Would like to try it on the Concours. I live just southeast of Nashville.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Daytona_Mike on June 14, 2017, 04:37:03 pm
I use the rear brake at low speed like you and at high(er) speed when in a corner/bend and needing to drop some speed without the bike wanting to go off line by use of the front brake.  That's is/was the major complaint/trouble with the linked system until Kaw changed the ABS ECU linked calibration a coupla years back to minimise or eliminate this characteristic.  I haven't ridden a recalibrated model to find out but that's been reliably reported elsewhere.
Hmm.. not sure how to respond to that statement.
I  never touch the rear brake- I gear down of course and use engine braking and also practice Trail Braking when entering  a turn (I want the suspension to be compressed and remain compressed going into a turn- rear brakes cant do that---were talking about  hard  cornering )
Trail Braking is not really something to be used for  street riding but I still practice but I was taught on the track to never touch the rear brake... of course we did not have anti lock brakes  or linked brakes in those days so I maybe a throwback cuz  I am old
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on June 14, 2017, 10:22:21 pm
........so I maybe a throwback cuz  I am old


Hey, I resemble that remark.   :beerchug:
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Road Runner on June 18, 2017, 01:24:14 am
I never use the back brake on a street bike anyway---unless  maybe I am below 3   miles an hour.  You guys use the back brake for normal riding?   :o
Dirt bike-- thats different.

Daytona_Mike, others: A couple of years ago switched to my current '13 Concours from a cruiser bike. On the cruiser I found it much easier to make a U-turn by use of throttle control, clutch and only rear brake. I could make pretty tight U-turns in this manner.

Should we not use the rear brake only if making a U-turn or say a turn onto a road requiring a > 90 deg turn? I'm interested to hear how others handle such situations. Always learning ... thanks
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on June 18, 2017, 01:44:30 am
The R/F link is unlinked at low speed - someone will add the specific speed.   :)
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Vader on June 22, 2017, 07:04:34 pm
12 mph per our owner's manual. I recently revisited the Kawasaki shop that bled my brakes for a retry. After riding the bike (which they did not do the first time) they acknowledge what I'm talking about (read my previous description) and said that it doesn't feel right but didn't know what else to do.
The rear brake pumps up on the second and third push of the brake. They promised me there is no air in the system, but I'm no rookie, and I know what air in the system feels like. I've bled brakes for most of my 61 years, starting with my dad when I couldn't hardly reach the pedal to pump them for him to bleed. I took it to Kawasaki because I've read that this system can be tricky to bleed. I guess I will try myself. After all, if you want something done right, .................
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Check6 on June 22, 2017, 07:25:33 pm
I ride a Harley with ABS and am coming off of a sport bike that didn't have linked brakes or ABS.  I find that using the rear brake and anything above the 12 mph engagement point is a bit unsettling.  In fact, I don't like it at all.  I probably wouldn't mind it in a panic stop or trying to trim off some speed fast on the interstate, but normal day to day riding around town it feels like it's going to lock up the front tire.

I read above that you can "de-link" the brakes.  How?  And, does delinking them disable the ABS?  I would want to keep the ABS portion of it.

Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: mattchewn on June 22, 2017, 07:41:01 pm
De-linking the brakes will remove the ABS function to the rear brake.
Basically you replace the rear line with one from a non-abs bike. NOT RECOMMENDED!
Until I got my '15 I just used the front brake lever when in "normal" braking.  This will actually use both the front and rear brakes simultaneously since they are "linked" without using the rear pedal.
Matt
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: connie_rider on June 22, 2017, 08:19:01 pm
A year ago, {after I bitched about the linked brakes} Matt advised me not to use the rear...
(after many years of a C-10 and dirt bikes) Took me a bit of effort to relearn, but it works perfectly!!!

{Please don't tell Matt I sed he was right!}

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Check6 on June 22, 2017, 08:53:56 pm
De-linking the brakes will remove the ABS function to the rear brake.
Basically you replace the rear line with one from a non-abs bike. NOT RECOMMENDED!
Until I got my '15 I just used the front brake lever when in "normal" braking.  This will actually use both the front and rear brakes simultaneously since they are "linked" without using the rear pedal.
Matt

Thanks for the reply.  I will heed your advice and leave the bike as is.  Although, after 40+ years of riding it's a bit unnerving to me.  I suppose I'll need to get used to it.  I've always used the rear brake to drift into corners or to straighten the bike up when I need it.  Not on a Harley, of course, but old habits are going to be hard to throw off until I get used to this thing.  I've owned two ST1300's (2003 & 2007) in the past and rode those until the wheels fell off.  I do like the electric-like torque and acceleration of the Connie in comparison.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on June 22, 2017, 10:58:52 pm
De-linking the brakes does not necessarily remove ABS function to the rear - it depends on how it is done.


see reply 13

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/2012-concours-brakes/msg550315/#msg550315 (http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/2012-concours-brakes/msg550315/#msg550315)

and

http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13655.120 (http://www.zggtr.org/index.php?topic=13655.120)

Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Gsled on June 23, 2017, 01:34:16 am
  This de-linking procedure works according to the people that have done this. The only reservation I have is unless you are thorough when doing a fluid flush you have a reservoir of dirty/contaminated fluid residing in the blocked off circuit.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on June 23, 2017, 04:13:36 am
Being thorough, as you say, would include flushing the blocked off circuit.    :beerchug:
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Jerdurr on July 14, 2017, 02:03:47 pm
Guys, last weekend while on a long ride, I was testing out my brakes (bled them before I took the bike in for repairs for the transmission, long story most of you already know about).

The rear does brake, but it feels so weak! Is it just me? Also the engaging point feels pretty deep, maybe I need to adjust it? The linking part works just fine, I do feel when pressing the rear lever, how it eventually engages the front.

Thoughts!?
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: ChrisM on July 14, 2017, 05:03:41 pm
Guys, last weekend while on a long ride, I was testing out my brakes (bled them before I took the bike in for repairs for the transmission, long story most of you already know about).

The rear does brake, but it feels so weak! Is it just me? Also the engaging point feels pretty deep, maybe I need to adjust it? The linking part works just fine, I do feel when pressing the rear lever, how it eventually engages the front.

Thoughts!?

Mine are exactly the same as you describe.  Recently bled as well.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Bigfoot_16 on July 15, 2017, 03:20:05 am
I almost always use my front and rear brakes simultaneously and sometimes only use the rear brake by itself. I recently installed speed bleeders and after flushing the old fluid, noticed that my rear brake really made a difference when stopping, whereas before, it really didn't. The pedal doesn't travel nearly as far as it used to, so there was obviously air in the lines prior to bleeding. The next time I ride, I'll pay attention to the pedal travel while applying the rear brake alone and applying the front brake first, before the rear. I usually apply both brakes simultaneously and may not have observed the situation described earlier.

It's crazy to me how the Moto GP riders don't seem to use the rear brake at all. Sometimes when they trail brake into a corner, they lift the rear wheel. How can that not affect the geometry and attitude of the bike by changing where the bike is pointing? I notice they don't make jerky movements, either. They negotiate corners so smoothly it's amazing. Is it that they can sense that the rear tire is off of the ground and they smoothly let off of the front brake to settle the rear tire down again? I've never been to a track day event on my own bike and don't understand the secrets to riding so fast around curves.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: curt1480 on July 18, 2017, 01:10:46 am
Along the lines of brakes.  I noticed my front brake pulses a lot like a very strong abs working even when I apply the front brakes gently.  The bike is brand new with only 5000 miles on it.  I was wondering if it is normal, because I don't remember feeling the brakes do this in the first two or three thousand miles.  I also noticed the same thing about the rear brake.  You have to put a lot of force on it to get it to start responding.  I will try to adjust my rear brake linkage to see if that helps.  Hope to get this right before my next ride in the twisties.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on July 18, 2017, 04:16:37 am
That's a less common fault these days so take it to the dealer for repair.  Kaw should rectify it without issue.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Deepsea on July 18, 2017, 09:12:08 pm
Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Don't grab anything, use slow smooth hand controls. Both throttle and brake. I trail brake most any corner above dead slow, it helps settle the chassis and keeps the forks compressed. If you try this be very careful learning as it's easy to over brake and lose the front end. Even letting off the front brake needs to be slow and easy.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: flashback50 on July 19, 2017, 02:25:12 pm
Being thorough, as you say, would include flushing the blocked off circuit.    :beerchug:

I heard recently that if you turn key on when flushing the brakes that it allows fluid to flow thru the ABS circuits that are normally closed when bike is off. Don't know if it is true but would be nice.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: parttimer` on July 19, 2017, 02:44:12 pm
So, i am not sure if anyone has noticed after installing the AST lowering kit the rear pedal goes dead sometimes?  I will probably make a post about this on it's own so as to not thread jack.  After installing my AST lowering kit my rear brake works, sometimes, other times I too have to give it a press or two then the engages.  This is on a 17, and I have the aggressive setup for braking running, i don't have it set using the detuned setup in the 15+ models.  When applying the pedal it sinks all the way with very little slowing.  Let up on the pedal, press again and bam, braking. 
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: cyberswine on July 19, 2017, 03:59:29 pm
To the question raised about pulsing on the front brake of a new bike:  my '15 started that and I had the rotors replaced under warranty, a little hassle from the dealer but Ma Kawasaki straightened them out right smartly for me.  A search should reveal more on that issue.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on July 19, 2017, 09:36:17 pm
Being thorough, as you say, would include flushing the blocked off circuit.    :beerchug:

I heard recently that if you turn key on when flushing the brakes that it allows fluid to flow thru the ABS circuits that are normally closed when bike is off. Don't know if it is true but would be nice.


Why didn't I think of that?   >:(    It's true that the solenoids/valves are cycled at start-up but it's unknown whether that happens before or just after the bike is ridden those first 5 yards or so and light goes off if all is well - except for the gen 1 rear brake failure warning.

Whatever, it would be a good thing to do.   :beerchug:
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: flashback50 on July 19, 2017, 11:47:45 pm
Being thorough, as you say, would include flushing the blocked off circuit.    :beerchug:

I heard recently that if you turn key on when flushing the brakes that it allows fluid to flow thru the ABS circuits that are normally closed when bike is off. Don't know if it is true but would be nice.


Why didn't I think of that?   >:(    It's true that the solenoids/valves are cycled at start-up but it's unknown whether that happens before or just after the bike is ridden those first 5 yards or so and light goes off if all is well - except for the gen 1 rear brake failure warning.

Whatever, it would be a good thing to do.   :beerchug:

This came from a service tech that has been in the Industry for many years so I'm hoping it does indeed work.. I will be trying it the next time I flush my brake and clutch fluids for sure. I guess it can't hurt to try  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on July 20, 2017, 02:28:32 am
Thinking..........thinking.........  :017:  :c029:  That hurts.   :'(   and we're   :offtopic:

There was an interesting discussion on this issue in the thread below starting at reply 112.

Still thinking about what I know of how the system works, it seems unlikely to me that bleeding while turning the key on and/or off would do anything extra.  My reasoning is that the solenoids & valves probably don't cycle until the bike begins to move - but doing a stationary experiment with a pint or so of fluid may indicate something, which I (and perhaps others) will try out of curiosity.  If the valves do cycle then, that would momentarily close the circuit from the m/cyl to the caliper, causing a hydraulic lock because the line to the caliper would then be open to the pump, therefore closed to the m/cyl.  (This is the rear brake failure some gen 1 owners have reported, due to stuck valve.)  Whether the speed at which this potentially happens would be discernible is an unknown, but perhaps the operator may feel a hydraulic pulse of some sort.   :??:

As you say, it can't hurt to try and I, for one, would be interested in what you discover, if anything.

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/abs-failure-due-to-fluid/100/ (http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/abs-failure-due-to-fluid/100/)


Matt makes an interesting point here about activating the ABS then rebleeding:

http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/bleeding-brakes-on-an-abs-model/msg309502/#msg309502 (http://forum.cog-online.org/concours-14-zg1400-general-chat-and-tech/bleeding-brakes-on-an-abs-model/msg309502/#msg309502)
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: sfsokc on July 20, 2017, 03:14:14 pm
For the life of me, I just don't understand this selective and confusing approach to braking. As long as I can remember, from the MSF safety course, to books I've read from David Hough and Lee Parks, I believe I've always seen that you use BOTH BRAKES smoothly on a motorcycle.  Why upset the dynamics or otherwise lose braking power, especially on a bike with linked brakes where it's supposed to compensate?

I've always ridden this way, with my old bike w/o linked, and now with the Connie.  Only issue I ever had was on the old bike, going downhill in a curve, in the rain, and stopping at a light one time.  Back wheel tried to lock and come around a couple times, where each time I eased up on the back brake to settle it.

Even when practicing full-on panic stops, with BOTH brakes, I've not locked the rear wheel on this bike.  So my advice to anyone is simple, use BOTH brakes smoothly, only modifying this habit if conditions really warrant it.  Your "muscle memory" should be to use both brakes.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: connie_rider on July 20, 2017, 05:18:32 pm
Steve, what year C-14 do you have?

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: sfsokc on July 20, 2017, 08:22:22 pm
It's a 2011 Ted, combined 50K+ miles or so between the last two bikes.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: connie_rider on July 21, 2017, 04:08:27 pm
Not sure you have the linked brakes on your 12?

If not, we all agree that using both brakes is best.
The problem is the Linked brakes on the C-14. {mine is a 2014}

ie; If you are using a brake (front or rear) and apply the other, the braking force suddenly multiplies.
       It does not do so as a smooth transition...
       For instance; (While using the front) If I touch the rear,, the change in braking force is "drastic".

What works best for me is to use the front brake lever only.
      The front does most of the braking and links in the rear. {so that it is doing it's part}

It was hard to teach myself to use front only. {as I've always used both on a non linked system}.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: old fart on July 22, 2017, 04:58:08 am
Hey Rock

This is Rick. Give me a holler and we can compare notes. I live right up the road from your mom.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: TNConnieRider on January 05, 2018, 09:44:44 pm
I use the rear brake at low speed like you and at high(er) speed when in a corner/bend and needing to drop some speed without the bike wanting to go off line by use of the front brake.  That's is/was the major complaint/trouble with the linked system until Kaw changed the ABS ECU linked calibration a coupla years back to minimise or eliminate this characteristic.  I haven't ridden a recalibrated model to find out but that's been reliably reported elsewhere.
Hmm.. not sure how to respond to that statement.
I  never touch the rear brake- I gear down of course and use engine braking and also practice Trail Braking when entering  a turn (I want the suspension to be compressed and remain compressed going into a turn- rear brakes cant do that---were talking about  hard  cornering )
Trail Braking is not really something to be used for  street riding but I still practice but I was taught on the track to never touch the rear brake... of course we did not have anti lock brakes  or linked brakes in those days so I maybe a throwback cuz  I am old

On the track, brakes into a turn, not in it. also, gear shift reversed- 1 up 5 down. Ahhh what memories
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Lee Ving on January 07, 2018, 09:20:49 am
Curt, not normal. Check for warped rotors.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Lee Ving on January 07, 2018, 09:48:55 am
The GP guys absolutely use rear brake. The Concourse is a horrible example to test this on due to the rider aids, but rear brake has a stabilizing or settling effect on the chassis when applied at speed. Application of the rear produces a torque on the swing arm that tends to compress the rear suspension and lower the rear. It takes skill to use the rear in racing, but that lowering effect helps keep the rear down when braking hard.
To the original topic, in the original mode my bike is real grabby on the brakes if I use the rear indiscriminately. If I ignore the rear brake pedal all is well. I have noticed that in the original mode that the rear does not engage at the same point at all times and seems to be unpredictable. It even seems to vary day by day and with warmup. At higher speeds and 2 up the brakes feel better in original mode, but I use the second newer mode 100%. Even so, I still have to respect the rear pedal.
Rider aids make my blood boil.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on January 07, 2018, 12:38:43 pm
<snip
To the original topic, in the original mode my bike is real grabby on the brakes if I use the rear indiscriminately. If I ignore the rear brake pedal all is well. I have noticed that in the original mode that the rear does not engage at the same point at all times and seems to be unpredictable. It even seems to vary day by day and with warmup. At higher speeds and 2 up the brakes feel better in original mode, but I use the second newer mode 100%. Even so, I still have to respect the rear pedal.
Rider aids make my blood boil.

What you're describing is the Kaw linked system operating, is it not?
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: connie_rider on January 07, 2018, 05:04:00 pm
After I got my C-14 I hated the linked brakes.
Others told me to stop using the rear pedal.. (Post #14)
So, I forced myself to learn to use only the front brake lever. 
   The bike stops fine if you only use the front brake lever.

I'm so used to it that I had completely forgot that you have 2 modes on this bike.
  {as I recall they are for normal/1-up and for 2-up riding?}
Guess I need to go look how mine is set...   :-[

In February, some of us are going to attend the Sport Touring School in Florida.
I'm sure they will instruct us on proper brake use.
     One of my questions will be about using the Linked Brakes on these bikes.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Freddy on January 07, 2018, 10:47:10 pm
Earlier in this thread I posted a link to what I did to the linked system.  That may, or may not, interest you.   :beerchug:
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: connie_rider on January 07, 2018, 11:46:53 pm
Thanks Freddy.
I was aware of your post, and considered it..
Opted to keep it stock
  Part of why I didn't opt to go that way was laziness.
  Part was the concern that the ABS wouldn't function properly.

At this stage, I'm pretty happy with the way I'm using it.
   {Just took me some time to learn to use only the front lever}..
      If I need the back pedal for a panic stop... I'm sure I'll use it too!!

I posted my last comment; for those that are now aware of using only the front,
                                        to let ya'll know we will ask their opinion at the school.

Ride safe, Ted
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: Lee Ving on January 08, 2018, 12:54:00 am
<snip
To the original topic, in the original mode my bike is real grabby on the brakes if I use the rear indiscriminately. If I ignore the rear brake pedal all is well. I have noticed that in the original mode that the rear does not engage at the same point at all times and seems to be unpredictable. It even seems to vary day by day and with warmup. At higher speeds and 2 up the brakes feel better in original mode, but I use the second newer mode 100%. Even so, I still have to respect the rear pedal.
Rider aids make my blood boil.

What you're describing is the Kaw linked system operating, is it not?

Yes.
Title: Re: Rear brake pedal engagement point
Post by: barberman on January 21, 2018, 06:34:04 pm
Gotta' chime in here,  the brakes on my 2012 were strange feeling at first, especially the rear. I could feel the pulse"  OH that's normal? And it felt dangerously weak.  Might as well drag yer feet.  BUT after several (6) total bleed outs, new pads, and 90% alcohol rub down on the rotors, the brakes work beautifully. No pulsing rear pedal. And firm consistent braking.  Not that i use them much. (Just letting of the gas a tad lets me blow through corners at twice the suggested "retail" speed. ha ha) KJ