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Title: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Wingman on October 29, 2013, 09:00:38 pm
I've had the new mount for a little over a month now.  I'm still under warranty and have made plans with my local Kawasaki dealer to take the machine in for a "checkup".  Before I do that I want to be a little more intelligent in describing my main complaint.


It's not like I don't know how to shift – I can get on my wing and make very nice, smooth shifts.  On the Concours it's sometimes okay but it just seems that it's real easy to make a shift that is less than smooth.  I wonder if there is a gear shift adjustment that will fix the first problems and maybe it even has something to do with my last problem above.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: gPink on October 29, 2013, 09:11:06 pm
Some of what you're describing sounds like a bit of lag time with throttle inputs. Have you considered adjusting most of the freeplay out of the throttle cables?
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Cap'n Bob on October 29, 2013, 10:09:43 pm
  Just to toss this out there. Is it possible that the lever is resting on your toe and not fully retracting to grab the next gear when you want? Just a thought but if this is possible, maybe adjusting the shift lever up just a little. I have had this happen when using different boots where it would do just like I described. It makes you concentrate on lowering my toe when it happens.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mattchewn on October 29, 2013, 10:16:42 pm
  Just to toss this out there. Is it possible that the lever is resting on your toe and not fully retracting to grab the next gear when you want? Just a thought but if this is possible, maybe adjusting the shift lever up just a little. I have had this happen when using different boots where it would do just like I described. It makes you concentrate on lowering my toe when it happens.
Hey bob,
I'm concentrating now! Is your toe lowering?
 :)) :)) :))

Matt
Why, yes, I am a smartalec!
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: x9rider on October 29, 2013, 10:26:42 pm
I've had the new mount for a little over a month now.  I'm still under warranty and have made plans with my local Kawasaki dealer to take the machine in for a "checkup".  Before I do that I want to be a little more intelligent in describing my main complaint.

  • sometimes the gear shift lever does not "rebound" properly.  If I am upshifting, even though it does not seem that I have any residual pressure on the lever, it seems that it has not been returned adequately to allow the next upshift.  This is frustrating when you attempt to upshift and it is blocked. 
  • neutral is often difficult to find – I compare this to my 08 gold wing and it is much harder
  • I don't seem to have a good system for making rapid and smooth upshifts.  Engage the clutch – shift the gear – roll on the throttle but by the time I roll on the throttle engine RPMs have dropped off and the upshift is not smooth


It's not like I don't know how to shift – I can get on my wing and make very nice, smooth shifts.  On the Concours it's sometimes okay but it just seems that it's real easy to make a shift that is less than smooth.  I wonder if there is a gear shift adjustment that will fix the first problems and maybe it even has something to do with my last problem above.

I have some thoughts:
1) get your clutch system checked. There could be air in the lines, or it could not have been bled properly, etc.
2) different bike, different shifting. The Wing is made for guys who have one foot in the grave already, so it HAS to be easy. :)

3) Shift like you mean it. Sounds like you are taking too long, not aggressive enough on the shift.

In summary, the wing is made for "old" people.  :-\ It should be different than the C14. Time to get more aggressive with your shifts.....and definitely get your clutch system checked, sounds like something is not right there.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: LakeTrax on October 29, 2013, 10:29:35 pm
When my C14 was new, it had a bunch of slack in the throttle cables and the shifter was too high. Especially for downshifts-

Start by adjusting those components would be my suggestion, then see how it feels(shifts).

Transmissions on new bikes always feel stiffer than used bikes as well... Once the oil has been changed a time or two & all of the moving parts have "bedded in", I think you will notice a big difference in the shifting action. :great:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Nomadicfireman on October 29, 2013, 10:33:58 pm
Best way to tell if yours is acting up is ride someone elses. It's helped me several times with questions i've had.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: TimR on October 29, 2013, 10:34:40 pm
Neutral is almost too easy to find on my 14. I know shifting the 14 is not as smooth as it is on my old Z1 and is something I work on when the wife complains. Changing to synthetic oil helped smooth shifting a bunch.

Shift lever rebound has not been a problem either. First I would check to see if it's something like Bob suggested. If not, I would let the service writer know about the shifting/rebound problem and maybe a tech can figure it out. HTHs TimR
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: BDF on October 29, 2013, 10:50:25 pm
It sounds like 1) you are not completing the shift, hence the shifter mechanism is not returned for the next shift and 2) you have [not smooth] shifting overall.

As others have already said, first of all adjust the throttle cables. New bikes come through with a lot of slack in the throttle cables because they cannot take the chance on them binding but it makes it almost impossible to roll the throttle on at the correct time when shifting. I prefer my throttle cables with absolutely no slack in them but that is not the recommended method but at least taking what most of us seem to think is excessive slack out of the cables will help.

And as others have said as well, try adjusting the shifter lever. Loosen both nuts (easy boys!) on the turnbuckle (the long hex thingy between the two nuts on the shifter linkage) and turn the turnbuckle to adjust the height of the lever. Tighten both nuts when done. Please note that one thread is right hand and the other is left hand so 'righty tighty, lefty loosey' does not work on both nuts; the nut with the notches in it is a left hand nut and will loosen the 'wrong' way. Most people seem to need the shifter lever moved down but try it in different positions until you find what works for you- it is easy enough to carry a 10 mm wrench in a pocket to make a couple of quick adjustments when out riding.

I think an OldWing shifts easier than most motorcycles and so is probably a tough comparison; a C-14 may never shift as easily as that Honda.

Brian

I've had the new mount for a little over a month now.  I'm still under warranty and have made plans with my local Kawasaki dealer to take the machine in for a "checkup".  Before I do that I want to be a little more intelligent in describing my main complaint.

  • sometimes the gear shift lever does not "rebound" properly.  If I am upshifting, even though it does not seem that I have any residual pressure on the lever, it seems that it has not been returned adequately to allow the next upshift.  This is frustrating when you attempt to upshift and it is blocked. 
  • neutral is often difficult to find – I compare this to my 08 gold wing and it is much harder
  • I don't seem to have a good system for making rapid and smooth upshifts.  Engage the clutch – shift the gear – roll on the throttle but by the time I roll on the throttle engine RPMs have dropped off and the upshift is not smooth

It's not like I don't know how to shift – I can get on my wing and make very nice, smooth shifts.  On the Concours it's sometimes okay but it just seems that it's real easy to make a shift that is less than smooth.  I wonder if there is a gear shift adjustment that will fix the first problems and maybe it even has something to do with my last problem above.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: xDaveManx on October 29, 2013, 11:11:38 pm
I had the exact same clunky shifting problem.

Know how I solved it?  Adjusted out ALL slack from the throttle and stopped shifting like I was on a grocery run.  You cannot, absolutely cannot, roll all the way off the throttle between shifts.  My usual shift procedure was to open my palm a bit and let the throttle snap back, then roll the throttle back on.  Now I just rotate the grip forward a bit but not all the way and "speed shift."

You won't believe how much it changes the shifting.  The Connie likes it, it really does.  I thought something was wrong with my bike, but you just have to be aggressive and shift higher in the RPM range as well.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Nomadicfireman on October 30, 2013, 01:28:24 am
Haha. My post accidentally got deleted by someone else. No worries. I agree with all the above and would just add that what helped me with a lot of questions I had is to ride another C14. Made me feel a lot better about problems I thought I was having but wasn't. Now I just ride the snot out of it. 54000 miles in 3 years all over the US. I love this bike.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: SkyWalker on October 30, 2013, 02:12:41 am
I've had the new mount for a little over a month now.  I'm still under warranty and have made plans with my local Kawasaki dealer to take the machine in for a "checkup".  Before I do that I want to be a little more intelligent in describing my main complaint.

  • sometimes the gear shift lever does not "rebound" properly.  If I am upshifting, even though it does not seem that I have any residual pressure on the lever, it seems that it has not been returned adequately to allow the next upshift.  This is frustrating when you attempt to upshift and it is blocked. 
  • neutral is often difficult to find – I compare this to my 08 gold wing and it is much harder
  • I don't seem to have a good system for making rapid and smooth upshifts.  Engage the clutch – shift the gear – roll on the throttle but by the time I roll on the throttle engine RPMs have dropped off and the upshift is not smooth

It's not like I don't know how to shift – I can get on my wing and make very nice, smooth shifts.  On the Concours it's sometimes okay but it just seems that it's real easy to make a shift that is less than smooth.  I wonder if there is a gear shift adjustment that will fix the first problems and maybe it even has something to do with my last problem above.


Go  _ _ _less! :cheer:

Seriously, I mean go clutchless! see http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47079.0.html (http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47079.0.html)

C14 is a wolf in sheep's clothing, a ZX-14 with touring amenities. If the Wing can be shifted like low RPM machine (ie like a car) the C14 demands a more committed method that still leads to smooth power transition between gears, shift it like you stole it. Try to baby it too much and the shift drum may end up between two gear positions with possible gear jumping out, flase neutrals and/or shifter ratchet not resetting for the next gear.

Oh also, proper ergo adjustments is a must; I'm 6'1" and both of my foot controls had to be adjusted down so I could use them properly and with dexterity.

Neutral Finder: do you search for neutral once stopped? C14 has positive neutral finder; once stopped shift to 1st then one up and voilà , neutral. C14 will not shift from 1st to 2nd once stopped, it will only shift from 1st to neutral.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: uhoh on October 30, 2013, 04:42:31 am
Changing to synthetic oil helped smooth shifting a bunch.

after 5 months of ownership I put in Kawa full synthetic 10W-40 and the bike just loved shifting thru this stuff.   

Just $.02  -  also a 2011 model, btw.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: RoadRocket on October 30, 2013, 09:34:58 am
+1 on changing to Synthetic and adjusting shift level. BIG DIFFERENCE!!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Wingman on October 30, 2013, 12:18:29 pm
I have some thoughts:
1) get your clutch system checked. There could be air in the lines, or it could not have been bled properly, etc.
2) different bike, different shifting. The Wing is made for guys who have one foot in the grave already, so it HAS to be easy. :)

3) Shift like you mean it. Sounds like you are taking too long, not aggressive enough on the shift.

In summary, the wing is made for "old" people.  :-\ It should be different than the C14. Time to get more aggressive with your shifts.....and definitely get your clutch system checked, sounds like something is not right there.


Watch this video of Yellow Wolf on the dragon before making the next snarky comment on Gold Wings.  Next birthday is 70 but I'm far from teetering over the grave.   :)

Yellow Wolf on US129 The Tail of The Dragon or Yellow Wolf Gone in 60 seconds.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w69HWqWEwXc#ws)
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Wingman on October 30, 2013, 12:35:21 pm
Lots of really good input here.  I'm already there with the synthetic oil - recently changed out for the Mobil 1 racing motorcycle oil.  I'm going to do that dealer service and ask them to adjust the clutch, throttle and gear shift as per observations above (I'll print out all the suggestions and give to them).

Finally, I do take the point about "shift like you mean it".  I have a light foot on the accelerator in my minivan (I can see all the eyes rolling and equivalences made between Wing and minivan as I write this).  I ride the Connie to the gym and around town and am probably guilty of low rpm non aggressive riding habits in this environment.  I'll just have to pound some espresso and get a little more edgy.  I have noticed that when I hammer a little harder and speed shift things are more satisfying.  Probably babying things too much and it sounds like I'm being assured that it really wants to be spanked a little.

Here's another Yellow Wolf - this one will make you dizzy watching that 1800 striking fire going through the Gap.
deals gap on a goldwing/gl1800 by yellow wolf dragons tail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nrMQ3QwyPo#)
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Jim on October 30, 2013, 03:43:27 pm
I had the exact same clunky shifting problem.

Know how I solved it?  Adjusted out ALL slack from the throttle and stopped shifting like I was on a grocery run.  You cannot, absolutely cannot, roll all the way off the throttle between shifts.  My usual shift procedure was to open my palm a bit and let the throttle snap back, then roll the throttle back on.  Now I just rotate the grip forward a bit but not all the way and "speed shift."

You won't believe how much it changes the shifting.  The Connie likes it, it really does.  I thought something was wrong with my bike, but you just have to be aggressive and shift higher in the RPM range as well.

IMO, there's the key, right there above. I never roll off the throttle completely between shifts.  :motonoises:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Andrew on October 30, 2013, 04:48:13 pm


Go  _ _ _less! :cheer:

Seriously, I mean go clutchless! see [url]http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47079.0.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.cog-online.org/index.php/topic,47079.0.html[/url])

C14 is a wolf in sheep's clothing, a ZX-14 with touring amenities. If the Wing can be shifted like low RPM machine (ie like a car) the C14 demands a more committed method that still leads to smooth power transition between gears, shift it like you stole it. Try to baby it too much and the shift drum may end up between two gear positions with possible gear jumping out, flase neutrals and/or shifter ratchet not resetting for the next gear.

Oh also, proper ergo adjustments is a must; I'm 6'1" and both of my foot controls had to be adjusted down so I could use them properly and with dexterity.

Neutral Finder: do you search for neutral once stopped? C14 has positive neutral finder; once stopped shift to 1st then one up and voilà , neutral. C14 will not shift from 1st to 2nd once stopped, it will only shift from 1st to neutral.


I have seen this said before many times.  I know mine will shift into second from first while stopped.  I also have seen it said that you can't shift from second into neutral, but mine does that as well.  Not that it is an issue, but it makes me wonder if something is messed up in my transmission.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: TimR on October 30, 2013, 05:18:56 pm
Quote
I ride the Connie to the gym and around town and am probably guilty of low rpm non aggressive riding habits in this environment.

I ride my 14 around town which has a top speed limit of 25 and in some places down to 20 mph. I don't seem to have trouble shifting it since going to synthetic.

I also changed brake fluid all around using a MityVac. I can't say for sure if it helped the clutch, but it sure made a huge difference on the brake lever which I didn't think was all that bad to start with.   
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Gumby on October 30, 2013, 06:57:14 pm
Best way to tell if yours is acting up is ride someone elses. It's helped me several times with questions i've had.
Every time I do this it just makes me want to go buy a set of Ohlins.  :truce:

Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mattchewn on October 30, 2013, 07:03:01 pm
Andrew,
There is a centrifugal lockout mechanism built into the Connie transmission that is designed to block shifting into 2nd gear when stopped. If yours is not working it could / DOES mean there is something wrong in the trans.  They are ALL built this way.
Matt
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Gumby on October 30, 2013, 07:19:28 pm
Andrew,
There is a centrifugal lockout mechanism built into the Connie transmission that is designed to block shifting into 2nd gear when stopped. If yours is not working it could / DOES mean there is something wrong in the trans.  They are ALL built this way.
Matt
I had to go downstairs and try this on my Connie, because I know I've pulled away from a stop sign in second gear. It appears I must of already been in second, because you are correct Matt sitting at a stop I am unable to shift it into second. :allhail:

Learn something everyday.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mattchewn on October 30, 2013, 07:24:28 pm
Gumby,
FINALLY! a little respect around here!!! :)) :)) :)) :))

Matt
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Racerboy on October 31, 2013, 01:42:34 am
There is another thread about clutchless shifting right now. I do that, and my C14 shifts great.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mattchewn on October 31, 2013, 03:35:03 am
There is another thread about clutchless shifting right now. I do that, and my C14 shifts great.
+1
Matt
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Daytona_Mike on October 31, 2013, 07:13:27 am
Just a little Wing bashing here  which is not true. Wings are not old people bikes, they have their place and they are great bikes. I have ridden quite a few and one thing I know, they do handle well, really well and none of them shift as smooth or as easy Connies. You put the right person on a GW and they will surprise you and most likely out run you on the twistiest of roads.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Matt on November 12, 2013, 11:40:26 pm
Hello all.  I picked up my new black 2013 C14 last Thursday and I'm really loving the smoothness, great handling, and power of this bike.  After putting about 300 miles on her this weekend I started to feel exactly what the O.P. described, shifter not returning right away every time.  I didn't think much of it at first, but after it happening more frequently today, I know something isn't quite right.  I have owned many bikes and am an experienced rider.  I have never felt this issue on any other bikes that I have owned or ridden.  Wingman, did you ever find a resolution to your problem?   Is anyone else experiencing this problem?  I guess I am hoping for an easy resolution.   I will try to adjust the shift rod as a few of you have suggested and if that doesn't work I guess off to the dealer.  UUGH.....   Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Arabian Red on November 13, 2013, 01:10:56 am
I had similar issues with the shifting on my 2012 connie and fixed it by shifting between 4 and 5000 and it really helped. I was shifting too low on the rpms so the engine had a chance to settle down at my shift points and the speed differential made for some jerky shifts. Higher rpms is the fix.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Matt on November 13, 2013, 03:55:28 am
I had similar issues with the shifting on my 2012 connie and fixed it by shifting between 4 and 5000 and it really helped. I was shifting too low on the rpms so the engine had a chance to settle down at my shift points and the speed differential made for some jerky shifts. Higher rpms is the fix.

Yeah, I agree with you on the higher rpm"s.  Im not having issues shifting into gear though.   Its after shifting, the lever is sticking and not returning right away.  Hopefully I just need to put a few more miles on her and change the oil.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: ddtmoto on November 13, 2013, 02:42:47 pm
Bikes have adjustable levers, cables, shifters and brake linkages so riders can make the bike fit them. I try to always wear the same boots when I ride. Makes a big difference in shifting with thicker or thinner toe areas and heal/insole shapes. Bleed your clutch, use a name brand high end DOT4 brake fluid. Blip the throttle when changing gears rather than shut it off and roll back on. I run zero slack in all my throttle cables. Shifting above 4500rpm really makes a difference. Use a 'good shifting oil'. Not all synthetics allow the sweet shifting I want. The epa seems to be almost yearly reducing amounts of zinc and phos is motor oils. My bikes shift way better with oils that have over 1400ppm amounts of zinc and phos. than more common oils that have a more typical amount around the 900 to 1200ppm. I try as many different oils as I can to find the best shifting with in required specs for bikes. A good oil is like icing on the cake. Adjusting the bike's controls to fit the rider and no air in the clutch system is the foundation to a good as possible constantly good shifting experience...enjoy
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: sockmonkey on November 14, 2013, 06:22:56 am
My 2013 with 3000 miles has the same problem, when cold it shifts nice, but after it is hot, the shifter does not follow my foot. everthing as been adjusted, or look at. Running Red Line oil. A friend that also has a C14 rode it  and he agrees with me. No help from the stealership, so I ordered a  new shift shaft, and a Factory Pro shift kit. I'm going to put it in next week. Along with a full Area P system and a Guhl reflashed  ecu.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2013, 01:06:14 am
Mine is also sticking when hot.  I figured it was something not normal and more than just a simple adjustment.   I was hoping I would find an easy fix.  The troubleshooting section of the service manual shows the possible issues to be internal. Return spring, shift fork, etc.  I cant believe the dealer is not willing to do the repair for you..  I will put a few more miles on mine and see what happens.  Then I guess I'm off to the dealer. Please post up after you finish the repair to yours.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: KnoxSwift on November 15, 2013, 02:45:15 am
I have a thread on here that my 2013 stopped shifting after 300 miles on the bike. It also got stuck in 5th gear. Eventually, I had to take it in to the dealer as no adjustments made this better. The dealer did have to repair something internal. I can't remember what it was now but it was under warranty.

good luck.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Matt on November 15, 2013, 04:11:48 pm
Knoxswift, I did read your thread.  Something like that happening to mine  is what I am concerned about.  I plan on doing a couple of trips and definetly want to have this problem sorted before I do. Well, for now I am still hopefully that it is something minor.

 I should also say that I love this bike so far.  Loving the smooth power and great handling.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: smokinzx14 on November 27, 2013, 11:17:17 pm
Mine has the same problem .. Low speeds and low RPM shifts the shift lever sticks . No problem up shifting , this just happens down shifting .. You can feel it stick and when it comes unstuck I can feel it hit my foot . It's like it has a 1 or 2 second delay ...Doesn't happen at higher RPMs.. Works fine at the drag strip ..lol :) In fact speed shifting the C14 is much nicer and easier than speed shifting my ZX14R ..It's just down shifting that seems to be a problem and only when just riding easly around town ..
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Matt on November 27, 2013, 11:52:02 pm
 Smokinzx14, mine was doing exactly what you described. 
I am happy to say that my lever stopped sticking right after my first oil change.  I had read that a few others also stopped sticking after an oil change but I was skeptical that  it would make a difference.   
I have ridden about 800 miles since the oil change and so far so good.  I will post up if the sticking lever returns.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: nando on November 29, 2013, 03:15:20 am
To the Wing Owner basher:  :beerchug: here is looking at you kid. I had a Wing for many year and then came to the wonderful world of Connie...I don't remember sticking my foot OUT of the grave on this move, if fact, I sense I continue to stick it the grave as the days go by--even though I am on a C14

To the guy who recommends not shifting like you are going to the grocery store: Hey watch it there buddy, I go to buy groceries all the time on my C14.

To the guy who recommends shifting at 4 or 5k RPM: dude! you must live in the Tundras or Florida. If I do 5k RPM on any gear where I live I be riding over cars like a monster truck while I am on my way to work.

And I join those who don't like how the Connie shift. I tried everything (sensible) recommended thing to do, and still the worse shifting bike I ever owned.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Texmech on November 29, 2013, 06:24:29 am
When I first purchased(used), my 08 C14-I couldn't believe how awful that bike shifted. I'd never owned a bike that required such a deliberate, concentrated effort to get to the next gear.
Well...after experimenting with shift lever adjustments, assuring good fluid in clutch perch(yes, thoroughly bled-vacd), all that I could think of... I finally realized, it is what it is....

This bike does NOT like to be short shifted(which I tend to do- unless feeling frisky). The faster you shift this unit-the more willing/happier it is to snick next gear. Yep, check throttle cable adj, DO run expensive high end full syn oil. Just go with it.

And I agree...it's the worst shifting bike I've ever owned. But it sure is a handsome ST scoot and it's fast!
But Kawa should've done better. Newer bikes any slicker shifting?
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: sockmonkey on November 29, 2013, 07:02:57 am
Well. I put in the new shift shaft and the Factory Pro shift kit, and I now have a wonderfull shifting C14. The shift shaft had wear marks at both ends as if the shaft had a slight bend in it. Also the shift mechanism arm did not slide smoothly. I think that the pin that holds the two half together was pressed into far,on the new shaft it was not pressed in as far. The Factory Pro shift kit works like advertised and I'm glade I put it in. Also put on the Area P system and the Guhl reflashed ecu, wow, now I have a C14 that rocks. :)
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: CW on November 29, 2013, 01:43:17 pm
I find that mine shifts amazingly more easily, on upshifts, if I do not completely close the throttle.

2010 with 14,000 miles.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mattchewn on November 29, 2013, 02:33:21 pm
I can only assume that those of you that have shifting trouble with a C14 have a internal problem or something. This is by far the best, smoothest, easiest shifting bike I have ever ridden. It did take me a bit to adjust to it though. I tried many things to get a simple smooth shift before I got it down pat. Clutchless shifting is almost effortless, so quick and smooth. I will say that this tranny requires a slightly different technique than others to shift so wonderfully. Closing the throttle completely will NOT help good shift. I do a quick "snap" of the throttle for shifting up or down and I have absolutely no problems.
Matt
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Daytona_Mike on November 29, 2013, 06:37:12 pm
I can only assume that those of you that have shifting trouble with a C14 have a internal problem or something. This is by far the best, smoothest, easiest shifting bike I have ever ridden. It did take me a bit to adjust to it though. I tried many things to get a simple smooth shift before I got it down pat. Clutchless shifting is almost effortless, so quick and smooth. I will say that this tranny requires a slightly different technique than others to shift so wonderfully. Closing the throttle completely will NOT help good shift. I do a quick "snap" of the throttle for shifting up or down and I have absolutely no problems.
Matt
+1 Exactly. These bikes are as smooth a silk and shift extremely well clutch-less. I really noticed how much better it is now that I run Motul 5100. Maybe you could try it at least once.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: WingCon on November 30, 2013, 08:20:55 pm
So only bikes made for old guys (I'm 58, and my father is 86 and we both ride often and aggressively, albeit on our side of the double yellow lines!  See video above.) should be built to shift properly??
My 2003 GL1800 - even after putting Dunlops on my 2011 C14 - still handles better than my Connie.

I also find that neutral is continually hard to find.  Very annoying.  I shouldn't have to buy expensive synthetic oil to get it to work properly, assuming that would fix the problem.

Use caution "young ones", your years will slip by, and at our ages your riding days might be long  behind you.  "R E S P E C T.  Tell me what you mean to me"
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: LakeTrax on November 30, 2013, 08:45:57 pm
My 2003 GL1800 - even after putting Dunlops on my 2011 C14 - still handles better than my Connie.

Some loaded comments there WingCon... and this above statement is purely subjective.
I have access to both a C14 & a GL1800. They both have their own individual merits, but to say the GL handles BETTER? In what regard? The mighty GL can indeed pull off some maneuvers that no 800+lb. motorcycle has any right to, but there is no way(IMO) that its handling abilities exceed that of a C14.
I think you need to play around with the preload/suspension adjusters on your C14 and report back.
And yes, I respect my elders- :rotflmao:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: nando on November 30, 2013, 11:36:58 pm
Forums threads that comprise of the personality syndrome I candidly call: Alter-ego-emotional-attachment-to-a-motorcycle usually turn into useless subjectivity. Or worse sometimes, insults.

In my opinion, the C14 is a rather heavy handling beast compared to other bikes of its type. My RT was a much better handling bike. The Triumph Trophy shifts a lot better than the Kawi C, so does the Wing.

There is no doubt that several owners (including myself) have complained about the rough shifting and neutral finding.

I doubt that all who have raised the issue are rider novice. I for one, got more miles under my butt than most youngsters on this board have hairs on their heads, including two LE emergency vehicles schools and professional tanker truck experience. When I tell you my bike shifts roughly, even the Pope won't be able to shift it smoother than I...and I understand he is infallible.

All the things recommended here help: Synthetic oil, clutch bleed and learning to find that sweet spot at different torque ranges. Sometimes my bike shift worse when its really hot. When I am in traffic I been using the Econ mode because it seems like the lesser fuel input helps to avoid the jerking  between 1st and 2nd shift at low RPM.

Now I am struggling to eliminate the vibration on the handlebars which has come back after a Throttle body and valve adjustment, and engine mount bolt torque.


Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Daytona_Mike on December 01, 2013, 04:27:47 am
My 2003 GL1800 - even after putting Dunlops on my 2011 C14 - still handles better than my Connie.

Some loaded comments there WingCon... and this above statement is purely subjective.
I have access to both a C14 & a GL1800. They both have their own individual merits, but to say the GL handles BETTER? In what regard? The mighty GL can indeed pull off some maneuvers that no 800+lb. motorcycle has any right to, but there is no way(IMO) that its handling abilities exceed that of a C14.
I think you need to play around with the preload/suspension adjusters on your C14 and report back.
And yes, I respect my elders- :rotflmao:
Dunlops? :-\   You need to buy some real tires for that Concours. PR3 would be one good choice.
Obviously your more comfortable therefore you think the GW handles better. Once you need to get used to the Concours and when you do you will know how much better it handles over the GW.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: nando on December 01, 2013, 04:33:19 am
The worse tires on planet Earth are Dunlops on a Wing off the floor. I can't remember the exact model, but I do remember every single Windinger took them off shortly after buying the bike. Mine slipped like if they were made out of wood.
Definitely an exaggeration there with those Dunnies
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Grumpy Goat on December 01, 2013, 07:17:07 am
Kawasaki's positive neutral finder - you can't shift from 1st to 2nd unless you're moving- almost earned me a CDA recently. I shifted halfway around a U turn and she only went as far as neutral. I've had no other problems with a sticky gearchange on my 2008 model (45000km and counting), but it's perhaps worth noting not to change up from 1st at sub-walking pace.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Wingman on March 05, 2014, 12:34:56 pm
It's been a while since I are visited this thread that I started.  Probably the best advice that I received was to "shift like I mean it".

What seems to work best is to accelerate briskly, lightly (and I mean no more than a half-inch) feather the clutch while snapping the throttle off and back on simultaneously.  It's all a coordination and timing thing when I do this my shifts are butter smooth and fast.

I can't recall who it was but the gist was not to do slow deliberate shifts and this is spot on. :truce:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: MikeB on March 06, 2014, 03:34:44 pm
Has nothing to do with it being a Wing and more to do with being a Honda.  My 06' Honda CBR1000RR shifts smoother than my 11' C14...and I ride them both like I stole 'em.








Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mehush on March 06, 2014, 07:42:37 pm
Has nothing to do with it being a Wing and more to do with being a Honda.  My 06' Honda CBR1000RR shifts smoother than my 11' C14...and I ride them both like I stole 'em.

I have the same two bikes in my garage and ride them in a similar fashion. Hopefully, the industrial type tranny on the Kawi lasts for ever and ever.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mtnbandit on March 06, 2014, 07:58:14 pm
   My 2011 didn't seem to shift smoothly compared to my Bandit and Blackbird. I followed some advise that I found on this forum and installed a "GR Throttle Tamer". It certainly made shifting much smoother without the jerky feeling.
  Brent
 
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mattchewn on March 07, 2014, 01:32:50 am
Both of my bandits shifted like dump trucks compared to my Connie.
Matt
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: nando on March 07, 2014, 02:10:20 am
The Connie is the worse shifting bike I ever had barring the old Harley Davidson. However, the V-Rod Harley shifts tons better than the C14.
Connie drives like a brute race bike. One either likes it or hates it.

I long ago understood what guys were saying about not shifting below 4. Low rpm are not in the menu for this beast...seems like to me.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: cuda on March 07, 2014, 02:34:35 am
This is one FUNNY thread ,  I don't want to say what I think because I'd hurt some feelings , sure wish I could I could find one of these sport / GW to ride with :rotflmao: I've had four Honda's and two Yamaha's.  It was a fluke that I found Royal Purple motorcycle oil on sale, I never used it before but I know a factory train mechanic that swears by it, I have over 7,000 miles since my last change and it shifts like butter, had Mobil 1 in it before which helped. Some people like to buy cheap  oil and change offen  , I'd rather buy $ top of the line oil and change less, when I drive easy I skip using clutch ,
one SWEET transmission.  :beerchug:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: nando on March 07, 2014, 03:03:55 am
The funny thing is some people shift smooth, some don't. Some people have vibration handlebars, some don't
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: mattchewn on March 07, 2014, 03:07:33 am
The funny thing is some people shift smooth, some don't. Some people have vibration handlebars, some don't
Some peoples' mechanics give them vibes and some don't.   :))
Couldn't help myself nando.
Matt
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: nando on March 07, 2014, 04:02:27 am
I understand Matt, its ok kid! carry on

I wish I could drive other folks Connies and experience the 'no vibration engine bolt torque cure' which I didn't, nor the grind-less shifting at lower rpm, which I do, or the cure for the surge at low speed which did not happen with the throttle tamer as claimed by some.
I either don't know what I am doing, or this particular bike has idiosyncrasies that others don't. Since I been riding these horses since the 60s, I would dismiss the first notion. If I could ride a Connie and not experience the vibrations nor the grinding shifting I would trade mine in immediately for a newer model. When I bought this bike there was some murky insinuations by the service manager that this was a 'returned' bike or something like that. I never quite got it, but it could be this one has a boogie-man in it.

I tried putting the OEM potato launcher back, the original throttle tube back...nothing. The engine runs really smooth. I mean like butter. I had a valve and throttle body and it was a great improvement on how the bike ran. But the vibs persisted. Hard luck I guess.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: ZG on March 07, 2014, 04:17:52 am
I wish I could drive other folks Connies and experience the 'no vibration engine bolt torque cure' which I didn't, nor the grind-less shifting at lower rpm, which I do, or the cure for the surge at low speed which did not happen with the throttle tamer as claimed by some.
I either don't know what I am doing, or this particular bike has idiosyncrasies that others don't. Since I been riding these horses since the 60s, I would dismiss the first notion. If I could ride a Connie and not experience the vibrations nor the grinding shifting I would trade mine in immediately for a newer model. When I bought this bike there was some murky insinuations by the service manager that this was a 'returned' bike or something like that. I never quite got it, but it could be this one has a boogie-man in it.

I tried putting the OEM potato launcher back, the original throttle tube back...nothing. The engine runs really smooth. I mean like butter. I had a valve and throttle body and it was a great improvement on how the bike ran. But the vibs persisted. Hard luck I guess.

Maybe sport touring bikes just don't like being trapped on an island ND?  ???


Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Rembrant on March 07, 2014, 10:29:43 am
I've had about 10 Kawasaki's in a row now, and I always used to joke about them being hard and clunky shifting bikes. Character if you will...lol.
Seriously, I would ride a new Hon-duh CBR1000RR, and would be just amazed at how smoothly that bike would shift. But that same smooth powered effortless shifting Honda was boring to ride, just meh.

Then, I don't know what came over me, but I had to try a couple Triumphs. First and 08 Tiger 1050, and then a Sprint-ST 1050. Yes I got a couple Triumph t-shirts, no I didn't buy a tweed jacket and turn into a hipster or anything, but oh my god did those bikes shift smoothly. Like nothing I had ever ridden...they just shifted like pulling a hot knife through butter. No joke. I had several friends try the bikes as well, and they agreed. Too bad though that the rest of the bikes were junk. I'd actually get down on my knees and kiss that 1050 transmission if I wouldn't get a mouthful of oil, or get a connecting rod in the eye.

I guess my point is, if the C14 is a hard shifting bike, then I certainly don't notice it. It feels like it shifts as smooth as a babies bottom to me, at least compared to my previous Kwakas;)>

I'm out,
TGIF people.

Cory
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: nando on March 07, 2014, 03:33:51 pm
The Triumph Trophy, which I dumped a while ago, shifts so much smoother than the Kawi.
However its engine is quite inferior to the C14, and plagued with problems
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Joe on March 07, 2014, 03:48:41 pm
Both of my bandits shifted like dump trucks compared to my Connie.
Matt

Maybe it is something with our black 2012's Matt.  Mine shifts smooth too, and never felt any vibration not related to the stock tires.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Jerdurr on September 05, 2017, 01:59:20 pm
Both of my bandits shifted like dump trucks compared to my Connie.
Matt

Maybe it is something with our black 2012's Matt.  Mine shifts smooth too, and never felt any vibration not related to the stock tires.

Mine is a black 2012, shifts horribly and the vibration in the handlebars put my right hand fingertips to sleep.  :??:
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: jwh20 on September 05, 2017, 02:34:56 pm
Have you considered the Murph's "Bearinged Up" shifter mod?

https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=463 (https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=463)
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Jerdurr on September 05, 2017, 04:51:21 pm
Have you considered the Murph's "Bearinged Up" shifter mod?

https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=463 (https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?cPath=130_133&products_id=463)

Have you tried it? Did it make that big a difference when it comes to upshifting and not missing your gears, etc?
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: jwh20 on September 06, 2017, 01:44:43 pm
I have not tried one but I have no issues shifting my 2012.  But it sounds like it may be worth a try.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: OKC14 on September 07, 2017, 03:25:26 pm
I've never had any issues shifting my C14. Its smooth as butter, clutch or no clutch.  That is all.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Sprocket on September 07, 2017, 05:13:38 pm
2011 with about 30k on it, throttle tamer really did not make a noticeable difference for me, I do have the EVO flash and did have the Decel, neither which had any effect on my shifting, clunky shifting unless I make a very concerted effort, best is to keep rpm just slightly up when backing off the throttle when shifting, not necessarily easy as this engine lights up so easiliy.
Title: Re: Shifting difficulties with my 2011 C 14
Post by: Dirtwiz on September 07, 2017, 09:11:32 pm
https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=463 (https://www.murphskits.com/product_info.php?products_id=463)
I bought it and it made a huge difference. I took my linkage off and found the plastic bushing in there had cracked and was in bad shape. I oiled it at first and it was better but when I got my Berringd up shifter it was smooth as butter. Best $21 I've spent on my bike. I had AST lowering pegs on it so maybe that allowed the Bearings to improve it more than normal but my size 13's are shifting much better now. I'd try this before you even adjusted it and bet you will be surprised.