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Title: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on November 28, 2017, 11:12:00 pm
Well I went to Steve's house Saturday and got the new top secret flash done.

Now I am the type of person if Kawasaki wanted that way well it is got to be good . Well I was wrong. All these years I thought my 2009 C14 was the great. Until now Steve's flash made me have a new bike. He has worked hard on the flash and it is totally awesome.

What can I say. Rode over 100 miles to his house and over 100 miles back. throttle response  started around 2400 rpm went through the gears nice smooth shifting up and down . my average estimated fuel mileage to his house was 40.6 on the way back was 48.6.

If anyone wants to do something to there bike I would recommend this flash over anything else. I am really pleased with the performance of this bike now I had the flash done.
Thanks Steve
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Nodesurfer on November 28, 2017, 11:17:03 pm
Agree, it is THE BOMB.

Now if maybe Steve can declassify if a tad...  :great:
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Nodesurfer on November 28, 2017, 11:18:05 pm
Oh, and did you get a decal???  :)
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on November 28, 2017, 11:21:59 pm
its all combined in his new flash.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Nodesurfer on November 28, 2017, 11:40:41 pm
No, not a decel...a DECAL.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1feR-zMO_5sh72rYgl7MNf9LaAd54u3yr/view?usp=sharing
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: walter on November 28, 2017, 11:55:00 pm
 :-[ thanks for the hint.  this is kind of like shaking wrapped Christmas presents..
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: ron203 on November 29, 2017, 12:08:50 am
"Much to learn, there is. There is no try, only to learn or not to learn..."  ;D

(sorta channeling)...

Master Yoda

:beerchug: 

Hang in there, it's ALL good when you twist that grip. WHOOEE!!!!
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on November 29, 2017, 12:20:45 am
yup got a decal
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: ron203 on November 29, 2017, 01:11:06 am
 :great:
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: LURCH on November 29, 2017, 04:22:58 am
Now that I got the zx14 system done that's next.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Devasya on November 30, 2017, 03:42:20 pm
 Mine's in the mail on the way back to me.
Now if I could only get Superman to fly around the planet a few times and make it summer again so i can test it out....
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Nodesurfer on November 30, 2017, 04:09:19 pm
Why? How cold is it? If there's no snow on the ground and it's 25 or above, bundle up and ride that puppy!  :)
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: ZXtasy on November 30, 2017, 05:05:00 pm
Sent mine in yesterday... had a great conversation with Steve also. Looking forward to trying it out as long as the snow stays away.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: walter on November 30, 2017, 10:56:43 pm
27 degrees here in NY this morning on the way into work. That front wheel seems to come up much easier in the cold.  :motonoises:
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on November 30, 2017, 11:11:09 pm
Well in Florida today was 78 degrees. Having a blast :motonoises:
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: TimR on December 01, 2017, 03:25:43 am
Sent mine in yesterday... had a great conversation with Steve also. Looking forward to trying it out as long as the snow stays away.
ll be looking forward to your thoughts on it.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Nodesurfer on December 01, 2017, 06:12:42 pm
27 degrees here in NY this morning on the way into work. That front wheel seems to come up much easier in the cold.  :motonoises:


Yeah, it sure does. Temps below 40 or so seem to add quite a few ponies into the mix.

Try it after the Flash and you better be ready to launch! I rode in to work at 33 the other day and goosed it a few times. BIG fun.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: walter on December 01, 2017, 06:51:28 pm
27 degrees here in NY this morning on the way into work. That front wheel seems to come up much easier in the cold.  :motonoises:


Yeah, it sure does. Temps below 40 or so seem to add quite a few ponies into the mix.

Try it after the Flash and you better be ready to launch! I rode in to work at 33 the other day and goosed it a few times. BIG fun.

Agreed, I have the EVO flash so its that much better.  Wify wasnt too happy with me buying another rear tire before Christmas. Only getting 5k on the rear.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Devasya on December 02, 2017, 12:50:21 am
Received my ECU at 16:00. It was installed by 16:30. Half of that time was futzing with the battery and charger dongle.
Started right up and everything checks out but have not ridden it because of rain.
Did the throttle slack adjustment just for fun.
Since October, my bike has received new Angel GT's, new HH brake pads, a fresh fluid change, and a new ECU map.
Now I just have to wait for a dry day and see how it all works out.
Woot.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on December 05, 2017, 12:29:31 am
That's what I got was the Mountain Runner flash. Money well spent.
Thanks Steve
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: ZXtasy on December 07, 2017, 04:29:27 pm
12/06/2017.
Time 07:00. First ride with Mountain Runner flash. Temp. 21 degrees F, humidity 90%, barometric pressure 30.8 and rising, wind 6mph.
Set throttle slack exactly as requested, warmed in garage to idle of 1100 rpm. Radiator not blocked off. Tire pressure 41/41. Ethanol free 102 octane.
2 bars on temp. gauge showing. Route to work 12 miles, 7 at 30-40 mph, 5 at 60-70 mph.
Engine temperature dropped to one bar and stayed while the ambient air temperature readout bounced between 21 and 18 degrees F.
First impressions:
Shifting through 2 up felt smoother.
Did not really get on it but revs felt stronger and pulled harder through the gears up to shift point of 5-6K. Engine braking/throttle choppiness was most notably reduced, way better! No deceleration popping at all noticed. Fuel economy stayed right around 35 MPG.
_____________________________________________________________________________________
Time 15:30. Ambient temp 36.5 degrees over 15 mile trip home, 90% 60 MPH and above. Humidity 62%, Barometric pressure 30.8 and falling. Wind from the NE @8MPH. Tires at 41/41. Fuel:
Second impressions:
Bike is much smoother shifting without even trying. 20% (a** dyno) stronger/faster pulling through the bottom 4 gears.
From standing stop revving/shifting to 8K in 1, 2, 3,4, felt very strong and sport bike like, shifting into 5th it still pulled hard but was climbing a bit slower to the 8k shift into 6th at what I believe I saw was 137 MPH indicated. Felt the drive drop off as designed with the gearing, had plenty of room in 6th to keep going on the motor but not so much the road…slow truck a** end approaching quickly. Mind you this day was bright but any roadway that did not see direct sun still had frost on it.
Entered onto the freeway and nailed it to 9K in 2nd and third with ease, then short shifted as 120 was too easily reached and is usually frowned upon. After only these 2 short stints I am well pleased. Mainly the smother shifting, vastly reduced engine braking and stronger pull from gear to gear is what I need/want from the Fat Ninja. Better MPG as reported remains to be seen and will only be icing on the cake. Next time if I get a weather window of opportunity I will run some lower octane fuel and block the radiator with something, Steve says it will really work then but it might be pushing the limits of traction for the cold Bridgestone rear.
Side note:
Getting rid of the crappy, hard, cupped BStone front tire and replacing with a half worn, track ridden Dunlop Q3 made a huge difference in front end feel in the good direction!
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Nodesurfer on December 07, 2017, 06:47:21 pm
Nice. My kind of riding weather!
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on December 07, 2017, 09:47:59 pm
 :beerchug:
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on December 08, 2017, 05:33:12 pm
This is what I am getting on my 2009 c14 after the flash. This bike has never seen this before ;D
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: ZXtasy on December 08, 2017, 07:13:02 pm
My wifes' 09 Prius never got that high the way we drove it...
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: gpd323 on December 08, 2017, 10:03:03 pm
This is what I am getting on my 2009 c14 after the flash. This bike has never seen this before ;D

I had a very early flash, now have the MR, but one trip slabbing to Post Falls Idaho I saw 52.7 MPG.

I never use the ECO mode anymore, Steve's new programming does better than the ECO modes MPGs.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Flying Bear on December 09, 2017, 01:05:29 am
Oh the pain, the pain.

I bought a 2017 C14 last month. I'd been thinking about it because I owned a ZX-14 10 years ago, and remembered it fondly. Now that I'm pushing 60, I wanted a more practical "go places" 'bike to go with my new "cruise locally and be a poseur" Fat Bob 114, and found that the sport tourer category was much smaller than I remembered. But the C14 was still around. I also remembered removing the 'flies from my ZX-14, and what a harrowing experience that was as the screw heads appeared to be made of low melting point chocolate, even when using the "proper" Japanese screwdriver.

Riding the new 'bike for a couple of weeks, I also recalled the crummy low-rpm throttle response and the torque curve dip. So it was great to read Steve's informative posts, and his site. I asked him a couple of questions, he graciously called and answered, and I ordered the new Mountain Runner flash. Getting the ECU out was harder than I'd expected because it was glued into the rubber carrier. Sheesh. The USPS failed to pick up my shipment for two days, and then failed to deliver it for two days on the way back. Steve turned the ECU in 24 hours.

So why the pain? It's sleeting and 27 degrees in NC right now. If the USPS had done a better job, I'd have been riding in crisp sunny weather. The ECU is back in its carrier, the throttle cables are adjusted, and a Delkevic slip-on is sitting on my workbench, baffle out, ready to install. Now the wait for some decent weather.....the pain, the pain.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Nodesurfer on December 09, 2017, 01:13:38 am
This is what I am getting on my 2009 c14 after the flash. This bike has never seen this before ;D

That's awesome! I can't wait to get some highway miles on. The weather has not been cooperating, so so far, only got to ride to work and back for a week. I've been climbing ever since getting the flash. Never reset the average MPG, which was around 35.5 around town, now up to 40. Once I run a tank of all highway miles I will post mine.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Salish14 on December 09, 2017, 01:55:20 am
This is what I am getting on my 2009 c14 after the flash. This bike has never seen this before ;D

Damn. I have a clean air filter, new plugs, just did valves, right fairly normally, and still only get about 35.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on December 09, 2017, 03:23:54 am
This is what I am getting on my 2009 c14 after the flash. This bike has never seen this before ;D

Damn. I have a clean air filter, new plugs, just did valves, right fairly normally, and still only get about 35.

Is it still stock? Steve
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Road Runner on December 09, 2017, 03:32:14 am
This is what I am getting on my 2009 c14 after the flash. This bike has never seen this before ;D

Damn. I have a clean air filter, new plugs, just did valves, right fairly normally, and still only get about 35.

Unless you're hot-dogging it, I would think you would get a lot better gas mileage than this. I rarely do (hot dog it) and get between 45-48 mpg on the highway running 70-75 mph. I also don't yet have a flash from Steve. Someday ...
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Steve in Sunny Fla on December 09, 2017, 04:11:16 am
This is what I am getting on my 2009 c14 after the flash. This bike has never seen this before ;D

Damn. I have a clean air filter, new plugs, just did valves, right fairly normally, and still only get about 35.

Unless you're hot-dogging it, I would think you would get a lot better gas mileage than this. I rarely do (hot dog it) and get between 45-48 mpg on the highway running 70-75 mph. I also don't yet have a flash from Steve. Someday ...

  Y'all need to "fill in the blanks " when it comes to fuel economy. For instance you're comparing a '13 to an '08... the 8 doesn't have ECO mode, And I suspect that you are using ECO on the '13.  Ambient conditions , frontal area, weight, tire inflation... these things all play a part in fuel economy. Steve
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on December 09, 2017, 12:53:45 pm
Steve, the bike is completely stock, waiting to put my new slip on (Delkevic 18" oval stainless steel)  after Christmas. My  wife wont let me have it till then! :motonoises:
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: kd4pop on December 09, 2017, 12:59:17 pm
That was at 78 degrees and 42psi in front and 42 psi in rear
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Flying Bear on December 10, 2017, 07:18:38 pm
The sleet and rain finally stopped, and everything dried out. So, with 42 degree ambient temperature, I did a first test ride with Steve's Mountain Runner flash and a Delkevic 18" carbon fiber slip-on installed (no baffle). A great initial impression from the flash: lots of low-end torque, and no annoying torque curve dip. The slip-on makes a nice bass sound, and I may leave the baffle out, but will see how it sounds when I have the opportunity for a longer ride. Fuel consumption on suburban roads was 40.8mpg, but the 'bike only has 120 miles on it, so this will likely improve.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: GIant81 on December 21, 2017, 08:41:58 pm
Oh it's winter, probably a good time to get the flash.  I only get like 37mpg on my '09.
Title: Re: Shoodaben Engineering (Steves top secret Flash)
Post by: Motodoc on December 23, 2017, 05:01:46 pm
Total improvement in the bike and...
Fuel mileage has gone up in cold weather from 34.9 avg to 37.8 avg.  Once it warms up again it should improve more if I keep my right wrist straighter :)